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    U.K. Support for Scottish Independence Is Increasing, Poll Says

    Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) -- More people in the U.K. support independence for Scotland than oppose it, according to a poll published in the Edinburgh-based Scotsman newspaper today.
    The proportion of U.K. voters in favour of Scotland going it alone rose six percentage points to 39 percent since May, while opposition to independence fell four percentage points to 38 percent, a poll conducted by ComRes showed.
    “Among the ordinary folk in England, there’s a substantial amount of support for the idea that Scotland wants to stand on its own two feet and make its own way in the world,” Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond told the Scotsman. “I think there is a deep undercurrent of support.”
    The ComRes poll matches the findings of a poll by TNS-BRMB published last month in the Glasgow-based Herald newspaper. Salmond, leader of the pro-independence Scottish National Party and Scotland’s semi-autonomous government, promised to hold an independence referendum in the second half of the five-year parliament that started in May.
    Support in Scotland for independence rose 11 percentage points since May to 49 percent, while backing for staying in the U.K. dropped nine percentage points to 37 percent, the ComRes poll showed.
    The latest Scottish social attitudes survey, published yesterday, showed 74 percent of Scots say the Scottish government should have the most influence over their lives. The sample of 176 Scottish voters was dismissed by Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray as too small to be taken seriously.
    The referendum might include a question on whether Scotland should have economic independence and leave foreign affairs and defense policy to the U.K. government in London, Salmond said. That was a legitimate point of view, he told the Scotsman.
    Salmond won’t bring forward the referendum as U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron has urged, he said.
    Salmond is currently seeking extra borrowing powers as well as more control over corporation tax, excise duties and the Crown Estate to be given to the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh under legislation being considered by U.K. lawmakers.
    ComRes polled 2,004 people including 176 in Scotland.


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    If they want independence the can fund their own defense policy.

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    Didn't realise we hated them so much, make sure they don't get no dole money from us normal folks who don't wear skirts.

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    As ably demonstrated by the last two posts, there are too many idiots on TD to have a serious discussion of this issue.

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    Majority of Britons favour UK break-up

    By Andrew Whitaker, Political Correspondent
    Published on Monday 17 October 2011 12:26

    ALEX Salmond has claimed there is “a deep undercurrent of support” for Scottish independence across the UK and a demand for a “new relationship” between the nations of the British Isles.
    It came as a UK-wide poll of 2,000 people showed majority backing for the creation of an independent Scotland and the end of the 300-year-old Union.
    But the First Minister rejected calls to bring forward the date for an independence referendum, expected in 2014 or 2015, saying “no amount of blustering” from Prime Minister David Cameron would change his mind.
    Mr Salmond seized on the ComRes poll, which showed a six-point surge in British support for separatism since May, as evidence of a “substantial amount of support” among “ordinary folk in England” for the SNP’s flagship policy of a spilt with the UK.
    The poll showed 39 per cent of those surveyed throughout the UK agreed Scotland should be independent, with 38 per cent disagreeing.
    The result could have far-reaching ramifications for the independence poll, with unionist MPs taking less interest in the vote if their constituents are supportive of a break-up of the UK.
    A separate poll, the latest Scottish social attitudes survey, published yesterday, added weight to Mr Salmond’s suggestions, showing 74 per cent of Scots believe the Scottish Government should have most influence over their everyday lives.
    But critics have dismissed the importance of the ComRes poll, saying the Scottish sample – only 176 people – was too small to be taken seriously. Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said it was “not a serious opinion poll”.
    Mr Salmond, speaking days before his party’s conference in Inverness, said there was now a UK-wide demand for “equality between Scotland and England”.
    He said “one of the reasons” voters had handed the SNP an unprecedented overall majority at Holyrood this year was because of the party’s stance on independence.
    He also dropped his strongest hint yet that a referendum would include a third question on what he described as “fiscal freedom” or “economic independence”, something he said was a “legitimate point of view” that would see the Scottish Parliament have full financial powers but with foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster.
    The SNP leader’s strongly worded claims about the end of the Union came amid reports that Mr Cameron has ordered ministers in the Tory-led coalition to make a series of high-profile visits to Scotland to campaign against independence.
    And it followed another boost for Mr Salmond’s campaign to break up the UK, when oil giant BP announced a multi-billion-pound offshore investment and proclaimed reserves could last for another four decades.
    The ComRes poll showed growing support in Scotland for independence, with the proportion backing a split with the UK up 11 points over the period at 49 per cent, with 37 per cent against – a fall of nine points. The First Minister said the poll and the results of the social attitudes survey represented a growing tide in favour of independence.
    He said: “Among the ordinary folk in England, there’s a substantial amount of support for the idea that Scotland wants to stand on its own two feet and make its own way in the world and have a relationship of equality between Scotland and England. I think there is a deep undercurrent of support.
    “The SNP won a majority in May in a parliament where it was supposed to be almost impossible to do. One of the reasons for this was because people want a new relationship between the islands.”
    On the proposed referendum, Mr Salmond said: “There will be a straight question on independence, but it’s quite possible that with the straight question, that there will be a question on fiscal freedom, or economic independence.
    “Every referendum held in the UK is advisory, but the reality is that once the people have spoken, the politicians will have to listen.”
    The First Minister rejected calls from Mr Cameron to hold an immediate referendum, which many senior figures at Westminster think would be the best way to prevent a Yes vote.
    He said: “We made it clear we would hold the referendum on Scottish independence in the second half of this parliamentary term – that’s what we said we’d do and that’s what we intend to do.
    “And no amount of blustering from the Prime Minister is going to change the view we put to the people and the trust that the people have in us.”
    Mr Salmond’s claims of soaring support for independence were heavily criticised by opposition MSPs and the Scotland Office, which said the ComRes sample north of the Border was small, at only 176 people this month and 183 in May. The full UK sample size was 2,004.
    A Scotland Office spokesman said: “We simply don’t believe it reflects the wider picture accurately.”
    Mr Gray said: “Those of us who believe in devolution have nothing to fear from the Scottish people. The only person who does is Alex Salmond, who won’t bring forward his referendum because he thinks he’ll lose. The reality is that the vast majority of Scots want to make our country better, not separate.
    “A survey of a hundred-odd folk is not a serious opinion poll – to get a statistically significant poll, you really need a size ten times that, and such polls routinely show the vast majority of Scots want a strong Scotland as part of the UK because that’s where our strongest destiny lies.”
    Scottish Tory deputy leader Murdo Fraser said: “This poll has a sample of fewer than 200 Scots and is representative of nothing. However, if Alex Salmond really does believe that Scotland would vote for independence, then he should stop stalling and get on with holding a referendum as soon as possible.
    “The SNP have spent years demanding one and now they have the power to do so, they are dithering.”
    Alistair Carmichael, Liberal Democrat chief whip at Westminster, called on Mr Salmond to “bring it on”.


    Majority of Britons favour UK break-up - Politics - Scotsman.com

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    Scotland has more to lost than England has to gain, of course we want shot of the burden of Scotland.

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    Have to move our subs out of there first, why waste them protecting the skirt wearing ginger nuts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    As ably demonstrated by the last two posts, there are too many idiots on TD to have a serious discussion of this issue.
    Feck off back to the highlands,i would rather share England with a load of Somalians then a load of Jocks.

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    ^ It's full of Somalians already, innit?...

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    Fuck them off and then make them apply for visas and work permits to come to England.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    As ably demonstrated by the last two posts, there are too many idiots on TD to have a serious discussion of this issue.

    I agree. Some quite pathetic, childish comments.

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    ^ What do you expect from the World News section?...something that makes sense?...

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    Ermm.......some world news? Or maybe a bit of respect for the Scots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    “Those of us who believe in devolution have nothing to fear from the Scottish people
    The blue skins from north of the border are responsible for eating English babies, carrying and using cut throat razors in cross border baby raids, and showing their bottoms to English people.
    Give them their independence, and watch them turn on each other like they always have.

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    I have Scottish ancestry,

    will independence be a good thing ? does this mean I get a free Scottish castle ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Orinoco View Post
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    Ermm.......some world news? Or maybe a bit of respect for the Scots?
    Like Scots have got respect for the English.. git tae.

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    If Scots want full independence, thats fine, no problem there. Personally, as an Englishman, I would prefer things to stay as they are, but, if the folks north of the border wish for it, then let them have it. However, as others have pointed out, they should be subject to our immigration rules etc etc. They cant have their cake and eat it, can they?
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    Let the undercurrent drag me along.

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    Give Scotland and Wales independence then every country would have the government they voted for, as in the Tories would have had an overall majority in an English parliament.

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    It's the only way to liberate England (and Scotland) from any future possible Labour governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim
    they should be subject to our immigration rules etc etc. They cant have their cake and eat it, can they?
    What immigration rules? I would presume they would sty in the EU. Therefore free access.

    As a new member state they would get all sorts of grants and freebees that the English would in part fund. Costs would be high to govern Scotland internally. Since the North Sea Oil and Gas is almost done financing would be tight. Also since GB has a large debt load they would have to assume a proportion of that as well.

    Nationhood at what cost? It would be an interesting debate North of the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    I have Scottish ancestry,

    will independence be a good thing ? does this mean I get a free Scottish castle ?
    You get a small tin of shortbread biscuits with a picture of the Loch Ness Monster on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble
    I would presume they would sty in the EU.
    Would they be able to qualify for the EU? England props Scotland up at the moment, so I doubt it.

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    No way, let's drain the oil first, THEN give them independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble
    I would presume they would sty in the EU.
    Would they be able to qualify for the EU? England props Scotland up at the moment, so I doubt it.
    If Scotland got all the oil revenue would be a different story, it would have been a wealthy country with only a population of 5 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    U.K. Support for Scottish Independence Is Increasing, Poll Says
    Has their oil finished yet? Yes, okay well away with them then; they can join Belgium and Iceland...

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