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    Rudd in bid to free boy, 14, after Bali drugs arrest

    Rudd in bid to free boy, 14, after Bali drugs arrest

    Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd says negotiating the release of a young Australian schoolboy being held in Bali on possible drugs charges is a ‘‘number one priority’’.

    The 14-year-old, from Lake Macquarie near Newcastle, was arrested on Tuesday night near Hotel Padma in Kuta allegedly carrying a stash of cannabis.

    It was unclear how much of the drug he was allegedly caught with, with reports ranging from 6.9 grams to 3.6 grams.

    It's alleged he bought cannabis for the equivalent of $25 from a dealer while on his way to get a massage in Kuta. Police detained him outside a supermarket.

    The boy, who is deeply traumatised, is being held in a room away from adult prisoners at a Denpasar police station.

    He faces doing time in Kerobokan prison, home of Schapelle Corby, members of the Bali nine heroin ring and a child rapist.

    Mr Rudd said the boy’s parents were deeply distressed by their son’s incarceration.

    ‘‘I think if you put yourself in the position of being a mum or a dad with a 14-year-old who’s got themselves caught up in this situation, you’re heart would go out to the parents,’’ Mr Rudd said.

    ‘‘I have just spoken with our ambassador in Jakarta [Greg Moriarty] and I have indicated to him that his number one priority in the immediate period ahead is how we support this young boy and his family and do everything we can to obtain his early return to Australia.’’

    The boy is the youngest Australian to be arrested in Indonesia.

    ‘‘Regrettably, we know the authorities in Denpasar too well through matters we have had to deal with over the years,’’ Mr Rudd said.

    ‘‘I’m not going to be in the business of providing public lectures from abroad on the nature of anyone else’s legal regime.

    ‘‘We respect those laws and we will work very closely with our friends and colleagues in Jakarta and Denpasar.’’

    The boy spent a frightening first evening alone at the police station until his parents, with whom he had been holidaying, arrived the next morning.

    Lawyer Muhammad Rifan said last night that the boy had been ’’crying all day’’ and refusing to eat.

    His parents were depressed and feeling helpless as the enormity of their predicament set in.

    ’’Just like any other parents, they don’t know what to do when their child faces this type of situation,’’ he said.

    Juveniles are typically treated leniently in Indonesia’s courts but often get custodial sentences for drug offences. And as there is no juvenile court system, he would be likely to go to an adult prison if convicted.

    Indonesian courts can commute sentences for drug crimes to a few months, or even waive jail time completely, but there must be evidence that the accused is a drug addict.

    Mr Rifan said if the parents could provide evidence that they had sought treatment for their son in Australia for any addiction, he would probably get off. Otherwise, he could face jail time of six months to four years.

    Kevin Rudd has told Foreign Affairs officials to make the boy a priority. ’’[Mr] Rudd has directed that the Australian ambassador in Jakarta and the consul-general in Bali make this their top priority … and seek the early release of the boy,’’ a spokesman said.

    The boy could be held at the police lock-up for up to a month while his alleged crime is investigated. If police decide they will proceed with the case, he will be formally charged and face court in Denpasar.

    Mr Rifan refused to confirm whether the boy had admitted to buying the drugs.

    Drug dealers frequent the throbbing tourist strip around Kuta, often whispering in the ears of passers-by.

    It is not uncommon for dealers to then inform police if the buyer is a foreigner, sometimes snaring a lucrative payment for the information. There is no evidence such a scenario unfolded in this case.

    Bali’s only under-age prison is a cell in Kerobokan, an already desperately overcrowded jail that is home to a diverse population of hardened criminals and small-time crooks.

    Prisoners mix freely at Kerobokan, where the guards are vastly outnumbered by convicts.

    There was a riot at the jail earlier this year, and several inmates are on death row, including Australian Bali nine ringleaders Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

    Murderers and rapists, including infamous child rapist Mochamad Davis Suharto - also known as Codet or Scar - are doing time there as well.

    Cannabis is considered a narcotic in Indonesia on a par with heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine.

    Mr Rifan would not confirm the teenager’s name and urged media organisations not to publish it, saying it was illegal to do so in Indonesia.

    Police also confirmed there would be no ’’walk of shame’’ in front of cameras for any under-age offenders.

    - Megan Levy, Tom Allard and Amilia Rosa

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    Oh dear, this kid is going to learn a life lesson on the fast track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus56 View Post
    That's really sad. This incident must change the whole life of the kid
    Not to mention the size of his arsehole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus56 View Post
    That's really sad. This incident must change the whole life of the kid
    Not to mention the size of his arsehole.
    he will then be able to stash his drugs where the cops won't find them

    this story is a beat up , and Rudd is only wasting his time because the media is making it a headline

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    ha ha biggest buzz kill ever. if that doesn't scare the little scamp onto the straight and narrow, nothing will.

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    excuse my ignorance but
    how much is 3 to 6 grams of the stuff enough for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    excuse my ignorance but
    how much is 3 to 6 grams of the stuff enough for ?
    3g is about 1/8th of an ounce.

    smoking with a couple of mates you'd cane that in an evening.

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    possible he was a victim of a sting and Australia has numerous Indo children in detention , supposed people smugglers .


    brandautopsy.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Not to mention the size of his arsehole.
    None of that in Bali, and he has already learned his lesson. But will the idiots in Indo give any sympathy? I think he is a dumb shit, the same as Shapelle Corby, and the nine heroin smugglers. But the little fart is only 14. Great parents.

    Draconian laws but very very well publicized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one
    Draconian laws but very very well publicized.
    but the retards with attentions spans measured in minutes cannot remember the gist of the story on "today tonight" after the last advert

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    ... while on his way to get a massage in Kuta ...
    Wish my parents had let me smoke pot and get a 'massage' at that tender age

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazzy
    Drug dealers frequent the throbbing tourist strip around Kuta, often whispering in the ears of passers-by. It is not uncommon for dealers to then inform police if the buyer is a foreigner, sometimes snaring a lucrative payment for the information. There is no evidence such a scenario unfolded in this case.
    They do not whisper, they are very aggressive and put shite in your hands. A 14 Year Old Boy on travels about with Mum and Dad needs a good story for the lads at Home! This is BS at maximum level.

    Send the Kid Home.... It is weed, not the other shite that the street scum in Kuta try to peddle. Extasy, Heroin, Acid, and Methadone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon43 View Post
    ... while on his way to get a massage in Kuta ...
    Wish my parents had let me smoke pot and get a 'massage' at that tender age

    Simon
    My teenager was wandering around Chiang Mai on his own quite happily and I trusted him to do so. A tuk tuk driver did try and flog him a bag of grass but he had the good sense to get out of the situation sharpish.

    Added: In fairness I've told him plenty of stories about police stings, and made him watch an entire series of Banged Up Abroad, which he thought was enlightening and hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    My teenager was wandering around Chiang Mai on his own quite happily and I trusted him to do so. A tuk tuk driver did try and flog him a bag of grass but he had the good sense to get out of the situation sharpish.
    Not many kids at that age have sense 100% of the time. Youthful testosterone, coupled with a foreign legal system, no mercy, bad luck.

    Very harsh treatment for a relatively victimless crime, but that's their system.

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    Aussie teen spends fourth night in Bali cell



    October 8, 2011 - 10:55AM



    A 14-year-old Australian boy allegedly caught with a small amount of marijuana while on holiday with his parents in Bali has spent a fourth night in custody.

    The teenager, from Morisset Park, south of Newcastle, is also now at the centre of sensitive diplomatic discussions between Australian and Indonesian officials.

    Australia's Ambassador to Indonesia Greg Moriarty has now arrived in Bali to head up efforts to secure the boy's release.


    He will meet with the teenager and his parents this morning at the Bali police headquarters in Denpasar where the boy has been since his arrest on Tuesday.

    It's expected Mr Moriarty will also meet with Indonesian officials after Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd said on Friday that getting the boy home is a top priority.

    But Mr Rudd has also cautioned that there's no guarantee of a positive outcome.

    "We must all be patient and work within Indonesian legal processes," Mr Rudd said.

    "We have no guarantee of any outcome here. We are going to work very carefully through Indonesian processes."

    The comments came after an Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman in Jakarta yesterday warned that anyone caught in Indonesia with illegal drugs could expect to face severe penalties.

    The boy's lawyer, Mohammad Rifan, has said, however, that he remains optimistic about the case.

    Mr Rifan said it's also possible the boy could be released into his parents' custody as early as next week while authorities decide whether or not to charge him.

    "It is still possible, but we must agree on some conditions first," he said.

    As he is a juvenile, police have 20 days before they must lay charges. Under exceptional circumstances, they can apply for an additional 10 days to complete their investigation.

    The teenager, who was on holidays with his parents and staying in the luxury resort area of Legian, was with a friend when he was arrested allegedly with 3.6 grams of marijuana.

    If convicted of possession, he would face a maximum term of six years, which he would likely serve in Bali's notorious Kerobokan Prison alongside murderers, sex offenders and people on death row.

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    Bali boy may avoid jail: police

    October 10, 2011 - 5:09PM

    Hopes have risen that an Australian teenager arrested for drug possession in Bali will avoid a jail term and be ordered to undergo rehabilitation instead.

    Police have confirmed to AAP they are now more likely to deal with the boy under article 128 of Indonesia's narcotics laws.

    The crucial development came as a psychiatrist who interviewed the boy on Friday presented his report to the teenager's legal team, also recommending that he not be sent to prison.

    Bali Police drugs squad chief Mulyadi said that while the investigation was ongoing, he suggested it was now more likely the boy would avoid a jail term.

    "Since he's a minor, he is a user and so, we believe article 128 is the most appropriate way," he told AAP.

    "We are still processing him according to our law."

    Under article 128, those caught with small amounts of drugs are able to be released if they are defined as a frequent user.

    While the boy would still face court, he would avoid a criminal charge.

    However, his parents would have to ensure he completed his rehabilitation. If they failed to report regularly, they could be jailed instead for up to six months.

    The prospect is a major boost for the 14-year-old, from Morisset Park, south of Newcastle, who had been facing a possible sentence of up to six years after he was allegedly caught with about $25 worth of marijuana.

    Despite the development, it is likely the boy will remain behind bars at Bali police headquarters in Denpasar for at least another three weeks.

    Police still have up to 23 days to complete their investigation.

    A psychiatrist's report handed to his lawyer Mohammad Rifan on Monday, details of which were obtained by AAP, has also recommended the year nine student not be sent to prison.

    The report from Denny Thong, the high-profile psychiatrist who treated Schapelle Corby and members of the Bali Nine, has urged police to take the boy's age into account.

    It raises "his history of drug use, his mental health" and recommends that he should not be given a custodial sentence.

    The report acknowledges "that he is a marijuana user but only an occasional user".

    "He's in growing up phase and should be placed in a situation where there's nothing going to hinder his maturing process," Dr Thong has recommended.

    The report is understood to say the boy is healthy and his mental condition is good, and that efforts should be taken to avoid hindering his development.

    Dr Thong, who visited the boy on Friday at the request of his lawyer, will report that prison is the place where he would least like to see the 14-year-old end up.

    Another report, by welfare officers, is expected to be handed to authorities this week.

    Australia's ambassador to Indonesia, Greg Moriarty, visited the boy on Monday for a third day in a row and also met senior Indonesian officials to discuss the case.

    Prime Minster Julia Gillard has also spoken to the teenager, and to his father, who arrived back in Australia on Monday morning.

    His mother has stayed behind in Bali and remains with the boy at Bali police headquarters in Denpasar, where he was preparing on Monday to spend his seventh night in custody since his arrest last week.

    Ms Gillard told the boy and his father in a telephone conversation on Sunday that the government was doing "everything it could" to get him out of the situation, a spokesman for the prime minister said on Monday.

    "The prime minister is following the case closely and with concern," he said.

    Ms Gillard and Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd, who has also become involved personally in the case, have been in frequent contact over the matter and are being briefed daily by officials.

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    I find it strange that our Prime Minister & Foreign Minister have time to waste on this.
    Surely they have public servants to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe
    I find it strange that our Prime Minister & Foreign Minister have time to waste on this.
    Indeed ,

    considering the silence on Assange's case


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    Deal to keep Bali boy from jail

    Deal to keep Bali boy from jail


    Prosecutors have given the green light for the Australian boy detained for allegedly buying cannabis in Bali to avoid a stint in Kerobokan prison, providing his family can guarantee he will not run away, repeat offend or destroy evidence.

    The positive comments from two senior prosecutors based in Bali are critical because they are expected to take over the case from police this week and will determine where the boy is held while he awaits a court appearance.

    Usually, prosecutors send minors to Kerobokan prison, but I.B Chandra, head of the special crimes division at the office, told Fairfax Media an exception could be made, especially as the offence was a relatively minor one.

    "It's possible to hold the suspect in a place other than Kerobokan. We have to consider that he is a minor," he said.

    "The main reason to detain someone is to ensure the suspect will not run away, will not repeat his offence and not destroy evidence ... as long as these three aspects can be guaranteed, we will consider the alternative favourably."

    Asep Sudarman, head of the general crimes division with the prosecutors office, said they had a maximum of 15 days to complete their file for the court once they receive the police dossier, which will include documentation that the teenager's past drug abuse has been referred to authorities in Australia.

    The boy was arrested on Tuesday last week, allegedly with 3.6 grams of cannabis in his possession.

    When the matter goes to court, prosecutors and defence counsel will not wear their customary black robes and the media will be barred because the teenager is under age.

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    his family can guarantee he will not run away, repeat offend or destroy evidence.
    If they released him with his stash, I'd counsel him to set to work burning the shit right away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazzy
    When the matter goes to court, prosecutors and defence counsel will not wear their customary black robes and the media will be barred because the teenager is under age.
    Bless them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

    Very harsh treatment for a relatively victimless crime, but that's their system.

    true , but i can't help think that australians are targeted more since relations soured over , bombings, the east-timor thing, and the way the australian media demonised their system after "our shappelle" and the "bali nine" were caught. Instead of respecting their laws, you had the bogan corby family screaming profanities at judges, and shappelle turning up to her day in court dressed like she was going clubbing - cleavage sagging out left, right and centre.

    Priminister Ranga Gillard lost me when she put corby's case on the top of the agenda on her 1st visit there. what an idiot.



    but my how bali has changed. there were times when restaurants advertised magic mushroom omeletes, and people rolled up at the dinner table ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles
    but my how bali has changed. there were times when restaurants advertised magic mushroom omeletes, and people rolled up at the dinner table ....
    Not shit mate, and the local Balinese are mostly all the same. I felt more back at home there last year than I sometimes do here. No farang, you are a person. It was magic I went back last year after 28 years. There is a thread somewhere. Hope you are well budddy.

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    ^hope all's well for you too mate.

    i've heard prices have skyrocketed in bali?

    is this true?

    i was last there 8 or 9 years ago, and everything was much cheaper than LOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe
    I find it strange that our Prime Minister & Foreign Minister have time to waste on this.
    There was some ctriticism of this in Australia, along the line that diplomatic approaches should be low key, and I agree. Politicians all over the world are driven by focus groups now, not common sense.

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