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    “The hypothesis that HIV is the sole cause of AIDS simply does not fit the clinical and epidemiological facts.”


    Sunday Times, London, 7 June 1992


    Dr. Gordon Stewart, MD, Emeritus Professor of Public Health, University of Glasgow. Former Consultant Physician (Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine) to National Health Service (UK) and WHO. Author of over 100 journal articles and contributions to symposia, as well as such books as Trends in Epidemiology and The Penicillin Group of Drugs.

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    I've been wondering why someone like you who clearly wants to promote this aids denial stuff and ask people to be their lives on the truth behind these claims, is so reluctant to actually state what they believe. You actively refuse to state if you believe hiv exists or not.

    I think I've worked it out, its a cynical ploy, you want to have the full gamut of denier arguments available to you and you know just how contradictory it all is.

    When it suits you hiv does not exist, 10 minutes later it does but its a harmless passenger virus, then its back to it does not exist again. You do with with all the big details surrounding denial. If you actually stated what you believed you would loose huge volumes of quotes which each statement of belief.

    You know this, so you never never state or say anything beyond some disembodied quote.
    This would suggest that you are knowing promoting a lie.
    I can only imagine that you are one of those mentally sick people that gets a kick out of controlling people and making their lives short and miserable. On a moral scale that put you up there with gary glitter and his mates.

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    “Buried deep within the secretive and well-guarded dogma that Aids is a plague caused by the lethal virus known as HIV, there is a time bomb of potentially explosive contrary information."

    — Dr. Gordon Stewart, MD, Emeritus Professor of Public Health, University of Glasgow. Former Consultant Physician (Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine) to National Health Service (UK) and WHO. Author of over 100 journal articles and contributions to symposia, as well as such books as Trends in Epidemiology and The Penicillin Group of Drugs.

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    guyinthailand. the only dogma is coming from you.

    in your own words: does hiv exist or not?

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    “Duesberg is absolutely correct in saying that no one has proven that AIDS is caused by the AIDS virus. And he is absolutely correct that the virus cultured in the laboratory may not be the cause of AIDS.”


    — Dr. Walter Gilbert, PhD, Professor of Molecular Biology, Harvard University. Winner, 1980 Nobel Prize for chemistry

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    guyinthailand. the only dogma is coming from you.

    in your own words: does hiv exist or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guyinthailand View Post
    Duesberg is absolutely correct in saying that no one has proven that AIDS is caused by the AIDS virus. And he is absolutely correct that the virus cultured in the laboratory may not be the cause of AIDS.”


    — Dr. Walter Gilbert, PhD, Professor of Molecular Biology, Harvard University. Winner, 1980 Nobel Prize for chemistry

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    “The transmission of AIDS from person to person is a myth. The homosexual transmission of AIDS in Western countries, as well as the heterosexual transmission of AIDS in Africa and in other underdeveloped countries, is an assumption without any scientific validation.”

    Dr. Roberto Giraldo, MD, specialist in internal medicine, infectious and tropical diseases, New York. Former Chairman of the Department of Microbiology and Parasitology, University of Antioquia, Medellin, Colombia. Author, Aids and Stressors

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    You do know what in your own words means. Or do you think you are roberto giraldo

    You really are very cinical

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    You already proved yourself to be unable to carry on an intelligent, courteous discussion when you, to take one example, in the post--now removed--from 'mega waves hitting bangkok' thread in which you ridiculed my (interesting, life-saving) post regarding how to make rehydration fluid for a cholera (caused by fecal-to-oral contamination) outbreak: 1 teaspoon salt, 8 teaspoons sugar, 1 liter clean water. strain & boil water if necessary; if no fuel, strain and add 2 drops bleach. Antibiotics alone wont save a person with cholera, only rehydration will. Patient will die within hours or days if not re-hydrated. detailed instructions can be found by clicking here: Oral Rehydration Therapy (ORT) - Rehydration Project

    I've forgotten more medical and nutrition knowledge than you will ever know, little grasshopper. Among the many books on my bookshelf are "Textbook of Medical Physiology" by Guyton, "Goldfrank's Toxicologic Emergencies", and "Emergency Medicine Secrets".

    I post things here to add to the discussion, not to respond to your ridiculous requests and statements (such as "do you think you're Roberto Giraldo"?
    You sound like you're in 5th grade.
    Make that third grade.
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    Guyinthailand. I was not ridiculing the advice, I was ridiculing you as a very unreliable source of information, given the lack of knowledge you have demonstrated on this thread. The advice you gave was adequate but certainly not optimal; there is a higher risk if electrolyte imbalance. A more sensible recommendation would have been to buy pre-prepared ORH mixtures as these are available, easier to use, keep clean and most importantly keep dry and away from humidity. for roll your own, given the wide availability of potassium chloride, in low sodium salt, and sodium bicarbonate in thailand; you really should have given out the WHO recipe. But then I would not expect you to know this.

    As for the knowledge you have demonstrated. going thought this thread will show that you have little beyond the ability to copy and paste quotes into posts. As for technical knowledge about the subjects you talk about, you give the impression of arrogance bourn out of being so ignorant you have no idea how little you know.... just enough to be dangerous.

    As for my discussions behaviour, its bourn out of the frustration that you will come out with these chest thumping statements like "I've forgotten more medical and nutrition knowledge than you will ever know". but when anyone starts following the quotes and the sources you give and has questions. All you do is sink into your shell and post quote after quote after quote.

    as for the comment "do you think you're Roberto Giraldo" it was kind of serious. I have been asking you for so long to say what you think in your own words and you just copy and post away i started to think.... may be he really does think he's using his own words.... because he thinks he's these people he's quoting?
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    Despite what I have said above, I'm more than happy to start again.

    I promise to be civil, can you promise to discuss your views of hiv and aids without just using quote. using you own words just like in the last post you made?

    At different times in this thread you have promoted the idea that:

    hiv exists and that it does not exist
    that haemophiliacs did and didn't have a higher mortality rate than the general population.

    clearly outside the world of quantum mechanics something cannot simultaneously exists and not exists and as for mortality rates you cannot have both conditions simultaneously either. So which do you do you think is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guyinthailand View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Moonraker
    I just try to go by quotes but I am well aware that even quotes can be manipulated.
    I've recently had reason to lock horns with a hiv denier, rather strange chap who for the most part could only articulate via pasted quotes from quote libraries. If you bothered to follow these quotes back to the source documents or authors; you tended to find stuff that had been twisted beyond all recognition or/and insanity.

    I really think that quotes and sound bites are the last place i would look for relations or the truth.
    Evidence as you say is king, but in politics thats not something you see often. The behaviour of the dem's when it came to the enquiry in to the '800 bhat bag scandal' and those redshirt only boats are the nearest you will ever get.
    yeah, that's right, hazz, you know SO much more than the eminent scientists I quoted, Nobel prize winners, etc. Yeah, that's right, those quotes mean nothing, the English language means nothing. Hey, Hazz, I've got news for you: those people making those quotes said what they meant and meant what they said. I guess you haven't figured out yet that that is what the English language is for--saying things, meaning things.

    You can't let this go because you're still licking your wounds from our encounter in the thread dealing with this. Nothing you posted contributed anything of the slightest substance and you basically got your assed kicked in our debate. All your postings amounted to was just a bunch of temper-tantrum "Waaah,-I-don't-wanna believe-anything-you-say-or-post".

    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
    "I really think that quotes and sound bites are the last place i would look for relations or the truth."
    You, look for the truth? Hahahaha. You never read the scientific articles at virusmyth.com. The 'truth' is there, hazz, for those intelligent enough and with an attention span to see it.

    For those wanting to see Hazz at his finest here is the link to the thread in question and you can judge the quotes for yourself.
    https://teakdoor.com/world-news/97018...r-hiv-man.html (Plea to hundreds of women after HIV man jailed)

    and, P.S.
    “The HIV hypothesis of AIDS is the biggest scientific, medical blunder of the 20th Century. The evidence is overwhelming that AIDS is not contagious, sexually transmitted, or caused by HIV. The physicians who know or suspect the truth are embarrassed or afraid to admit that the HIV tests are absurd and should be outlawed, and that the anti-HIV drugs are injuring and killing people.”
    — Dr. David Rasnick, PhD, Biochemist, Protease Inhibitor (AIDS drug) Developer, University of California

    I'm not licking my wounds. just waiting for you to slowly work out what you think and attempt to articulate it in english rather than quote

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    “The first casualty of the ‘war on AIDS’ was the integrity of science. The exact moment of the crime can be pinpointed: it was the April, 1984 press conference where the then [US] Health Secretary Margaret Heckler declared that government scientist Robert C. Gallo had discovered the viral cause of AIDS. Heckler hailed the discovery as ‘yet another miracle for American medicine and science’ and a ‘victory over a dreaded disease.’ If smoke and mirror tricks are miracles, then miracle it was...Neither Gallo nor the [Pasteur] Institute proved that the virus was pathogenic. Indeed, they did not even isolate it, as the Pasteur Institute later admitted. But the spin-doctors at the National Institutes of Health had organized leading journals to endorse Secretary Heckler’s ‘miracle’ with the seal of Science. From that moment, all AIDS research and policy were based on a speculation converted to dogma by bureaucratic power.

    “This initial public execution of scientific integrity unleashed a propaganda machine that expands Heckler’s initial obvious whopper (‘victory over a dreaded disease’) into a never-ending sickness saga that extorts money and grinds millions into the muck of bad medicine.

    “Scientific integrity was murdered by a brutal health fascism. The next victim was the gold standard of clinical evaluation, the double blind trial. With a perversity that spin doctors must admire, the methodology was abandoned in the name of ethics! In reality, the double blind trial had to be murdered because it placed the treatment and causality dogmas of AIDS science at grave risk of falsification. The next victim was the integrity of independent clinical judgment. Any doctor who bucked the official line placed himself at risk of retaliation. And now, in the Tyson and Emerson cases, we see that the fundamental right of informed consent and right to refuse treatment were also murdered.”

    “Be informed. Withdraw your consent from the most malignant fraud ever perpetrated in the name of medicine. Be aware that the primary truth in the ‘AIDS war’ is that powerful agencies have declared war on YOU and your loved ones, regardless of your HIV status. Be aware that ‘AIDS science’ is 90% mindless repetition and 10% deeply inconsistent findings of no clinical value.

    Coming to Grips with Health Fascism, Virusmyth.net, April 1999

    — Dr. Hiram Caton, PhD, Ethicist, Head of the School of Applied Ethics at Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
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    Fine, But do you believe that HIV exists, doesn't exist or its some kind of quantum mind thing where you believe it simultaneously exists and does not exist, until you need to choose a quote.

    You paste is 11 years old and is based on opinions that are 26 years old. There has been more than just a little bit of progress over those years. Dr Hiram Caton was a Professor of politics and history until his retirement in 1994. A career that clearly lead him to have a credible and detailed knowledge of virology and medical science over and above anyone actually working in the area.

    In what way does he believe that the the double blind trial gold standard has been murdered? you can say the sky is orange if you want. but you really should explain how you came to that conclusion.

    Try articulating your own thoughts and ideas; rather than copy and pasting those of others
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