Thread: Plea to hundreds of women after HIV man jailed

Originally Posted by hazz

But all I am getting is quotes.

Like I suggested earlier ,

Heads and Brick walls , you know the rest .

^He seems to have gone away.

I didn't expect him to change his mind. infact i didn't expect him to change his mind because those he has been quoting don't agree with him either.

All I was hoping for was to get him to actually write in his own words what he believes. You would have thought for someone who wants to convince others he is right, he might have been up for that.

I suppose we will just sit there and wait for the next suitable thread for him to paste spam. Perhaps he is doing his homework to work out whether or not the hiv virus actually exists?

• "I think zidovudine [AZT] was never really evaluated properly and that its efficacy has never been proved, but it's toxicity certainly is important. And I think it has killed a lot of people. Especially at the high doses. I personally think it not worth using alone or in combination at all."Dr. Andrew Herxheimer, Emeritus Professor of Pharmacology, UK Cochrane Centre, Oxford:(Continuum Oct. 2000)

So to sum up, you can get aids from necking a poof.

Guyinthailand thanks for your reply and thank you for the summary of what hiv deniers believe as a community.
But I am still at a bit of a loss as to what do you believe?

I really don't want to repeat myself. I have made a few points

In post 87 I ask about inconsistencies in what you seem to be saying about haemophiliacs and ask about all of these different groups of people who seem to be using per successfully to identify a wide range or organisms. Could you comment on this post

in post 92 would you care to point out the mistakes in what I am saying

Don't feel you have to discuss my quotes from the perth group as they have withdrawn the summary, they want more time to reconsider their core beliefs.

Please try to go beyond... simply saying I am wrong; because thats what this flat earther who kept telling when I was discussing his ideas that gravity does not exist, its an illusion created by the flat earth accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s2 and that nasa is just a conspiracy to grab billions of tax payer money. I don't want to think of you being in the same category as that gent.

If I am wrong, give me a logical explanation. your own words would be fgar more convincing that 20 year old quotes

plainly you have no answers

and fwiw AZT is old school and has been for a decade

and all your so called facts and opinions are also dated by a decade .

Originally Posted by Mid

plainly you have no answers

and fwiw AZT is old school and has been for a decade

and all your so called facts and opinions are also dated by a decade .

plainly you have no ability to see the answers staring you in the face. But you are a good little tool for the pharmaceutical industry, swallowing their bs whole.

AZT is still used. And it killed tens of thousands--perhaps hundreds of thousands--and yet you dismiss it with a an idiotic saying 'old school'. Whose got their facts wrong? (and what kind of callous person are you to dismiss these deaths?)

If I got my facts and opinions from one year ago you would still be complaining about that. Facts aren't dismissed just because they are one year old, 5 years old, or 10 years old. They are either right, or wrong.

"Dominated by the media, by special pressure groups and by the interests of several pharmaceutical companies, the AIDS establishment efforts to control the disease lost contact with open-minded, peer-reviewed medical science since the unproven HIV/AIDS hypothesis received 100% of the research funds while all other hypotheses were ignored."Dr. Etienne de Harven, Emeritus Professor of Pathology, at the University of Toronto: (Reappraising AIDS Nov./Dec. 1998)

How toxic are AIDS drugs? Is there clinical evidence that these drugs help people live longer?

Watch this and find out.



"David Rasnick
I received my PhD in chemistry from Georgia Tech in 1978. I have BS degrees in biology and chemistry.

I have 25 years experience with proteases and protease inhibitors, and worked 20 years in pharmaceutical industry developing protease inhibitors for tissue destroying diseases: cancer, emphysema, arthritis, parasitic diseases.

I began my professional career at Abbott Laboratories in 1978 where I helped establish the chemistry group in the Diagnostics Division. I left Abbott in 1980 to become one of the founders of Enzyme Systems Products and Prototek. In 1993 I was a senior scientist for Khepri Pharmaceuticals, which was acquired by Arris Pharmaceuticals. I left Arris in 1996 and went across the Bay, where I worked closely with Professor Peter Duesberg at University of California at Berkeley for 10 years on the aneuploidy (or chromosomal
imbalance) theory of cancer. Currently I’m the Chief Science Officer of the cancer
diagnostics company I founded called Chromosome Diagnostics, LLC.

As an extension of my theoretical work on the aneuploidy theory of cancer, I invented DATE analysis, which stands for Differentiation, Adaptation, Transformation, Evolution. DATE analysis is a general theory of biological change, bridging the gulf between genotype and phenotype. DATE differs from metabolic control analysis (on which it is based) in that its essential task lies in the comparison of related phenotypes rather than in the precise definition or description of each.

I am former President of Rethinking AIDS: the group for the scientific reappraisal of the HIV hypothesis and former President of the International Coalition for Medical Justice.

From 2000-2008 I was a member of the Presidential AIDS Advisory Panel of South
Africa."

Guyinthahiland. yet more paste spam; seriously do you have any idea's of your own. You still seem quite unable to commit to weather or not you believe that the hiv virus exists or not or even if haemophiliacs in the 1980's were more likely to die of aids.

One thing that bothers me about David Rasnick and his college Peter Duesberg. They are some of the best qualified dinners that you have presented, yet despite these skills they chose to spend the 80's and 90's doing their own things with diagnostics and cancer. rather than, what I would have thought would be far more important, researching a coherent alternative to the hiv-aids that better fits the observational evidence than the hiv cause.

GuyinThailand if academic credentials are an indication that we should trust what someone has to say; wouldn't that also apply to those who disagree with you?

Why don't you tell us what you think. paste spamming is just lazy

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Facts aren't dismissed just because they are one year old, 5 years old, or 10 years old.

They are either right, or wrong.

Dr. Rush Wayne, M.A., Molecular Biology, Harvard University, PhD, Biochemistry, University of California:

"While first learning about the AIDS controversy, I read whatever I could on both sides. I have not found an instance, when both sides have been able to state their complete case, where the mainstream AIDS view has held up. On the contrary, much of the mainstream view seems to be based on bad research and fallacious reasoning."

Guyinthailand.

Do you have a clue who this person is, what he believes now. I doubt it; because lets face it all you did was go to virusmyth to cut and paste yet another meaningless article of faith, this time with no date or citation.

Have you ever met anyone from these religious cults who answer every question with the pre-programmed quote from the bible. because you are beginning to post just like one.

developer of the oral polio vaccine

Dr. Albert Sabin, Virologist:

"I think the views of a person like Dr. Duesberg are terribly, terribly important, and we must pay attention to them." (Oakland Tribune 31 Jan. 1988)

Still want to call these world-famous, brilliant scientists I've been quoting who question HIV=AIDS 'flat earthers?

Dr. Fabio Franci, Specialist in Preventive Medicine and Infectious Diseases, Trieste, Italy:

"I am not an agnostic; I am well convinced HIV is harmless." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

Dr. Gordon Stewart, Emeritus Professor of Epidemiology University of Glasgow:

"Nobody wants to look at the facts about this disease. It's the most extraordinary thing I've ever seen. I've sent countless letters to medical journals pointing out the epidemiological discrepancies and they simply ignore them. The fact is, this whole heterosexual AIDS thing is a hoax." (Spin June 1992)

"AIDS is a behavioural disease. It is multifactorial, brought on by several simultaneous strains on the immune system - drugs, pharmaceutical and recreational, sexually transmitted diseases, multiple viral infections." (Spin June 1992)

"The hypothesis that HIV is the sole cause of AIDS simply does not fit the clinical and epidemiological facts"

Very interesting podcast. An LAPD detective is on the warpath to prove the hoax that HIV causes AIDS. And he's helped eliminate convictions against HIV-positive people who have supposedly endangered their sexual partners.

Click here:
http://www.howpositiveareyou.com/pod...ClarkBaker.mp3

Clark Baker is a private investigator and former decorated LAPD detective who is reducing and eliminating convictions and sentences against HIV-positive people by asking the question, “Where’s the Virus?”. Clark is interviewed by Terry Michael and David Crowe for almost an hour discussing HIV/AIDS legal issues, the corruption of AIDS science and the addictiveness of some antiretroviral “AIDS” drugs.
If you know someone facing legal charges for being HIV-positive, such as a complaint from a former lover that they were unaware of their HIV status, you must contact Clark’s “Innocence Project” at the Office of Scientific and Medical Justice (OMSJ). For those who are interested and concerned about HIV/AIDS legal issues and the harsh punishment meted out to HIV-positive people Clark drops some tantalizing hints about ongoing and future legal actions.

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

developer of the oral polio vaccine

Dr. Albert Sabin, Virologist:

"I think the views of a person like Dr. Duesberg are terribly, terribly important, and we must pay attention to them." (Oakland Tribune 31 Jan. 1988)

Oakland Tribune?
1988?

Got anything from the 21st century GIT ?

you know the one we are living in now

'cause it ain't that long back they were burning Witches

and there are still to this day folks who believe the earth is flat .............