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    US set to veto Palestian statehood

    Key international financial institutions have confirmed Palestine is now economically strong enough to stand alone as an independent state. That's as President Abbas prepares to bid for full UN membership at the General Assembly later this week. The move has been strongly opposed by Israel and the US, claiming it would undermine chances of a return to peace talks.

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    We already know what the USofIsrael will do. No political figure in the US has the balls to stand up to AIPAC and it's allies, period. Of course, as with every other unrepresentative political system, the discourse you hear on the streets and in private conversations is quite different.

    The real question is what will the rest of the world do? Naturally the US is being Israel's good 'road mamma' as usual, and frantically lobbying away (along with their Hebrew bosses) behind the scenes to oppose the resolution.

    A vast majority of the worlds population will vote in favor of the resolution however, further isolating the USofIsrael as an obstructionist and counterproductive force in the World community. What a cheap way to kiss hegemony goodbye, along with any remaining shred of moral leadership.
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    The UK position is equally evasive on it's intentions as illustrated in a question by Gerald Kaufman.

    Parliament is now "in recess", they are on a paid break, to enable the MP's to go to their party conferences/piss ups.

    House of Commons Hansard Debates for 15 Sep 2011 (pt 0001)

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    The quick explanation by the Government spokesman is:

    As the Government, allegedly, does not know what the Palestinians will ask the UN/UNSC for, it will not answer questions as to how the UK government will vote.

    As they are "in recess" from now, there will be no more "discussion" by parliament, on this issue.

    UK democracy at it's best.
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    I actually expect both the UK and Australia to take the whore's way out, as usual. But they are irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I actually expect both the UK and Australia to take the whore's way out, as usual. But they are irrelevant.
    Australia maybe, the UK on the other hand is on the UNSC which means it has a veto - (if so directed by the unelected UK government and if the Palestinian elected government decides to go that route).

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    ^ True- but I'm increasingly of the belief that the UN Permanent Security Council is irrelevant too. It is most certainly unrepresentative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I actually expect both the UK and Australia to take the whore's way out, as usual. But they are irrelevant.
    Australia maybe, the UK on the other hand is on the UNSC which means it has a veto - (if so directed by the unelected UK government and if the Palestinian elected government decides to go that route).
    Sorry, this hurts my eyes - unelected UK government. are we in the same fucking planet? certainly not it he same page. UK is probably the most democratic country there is, and I do count in frogs and fuckers in euro

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    (if so directed by the unelected UK government and if the Palestinian elected government decides to go that route).
    Ohoh...you should expand on this comment...unelected?

    Do you mean 'unelected by uk mossies?

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    I think he means that the Liberals won, although not overwhelmingly and had to form a coalition, for which they chose the Conservatives who were in third place, but the Prime Minister is the Conservative David Macaroon, who is now leading the Coalition policy.. so how did that happen..? Why isn't the PM a Lib and the Libs leading the policies.? I'm not entirely sure, but the UK definitely didn't vote for a Tory PM.

    At least I think that's what he meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I think he means that the Liberals won, although not overwhelmingly and had to form a coalition, for which they chose the Conservatives who were in third place, but the Prime Minister is the Conservative David Macaroon, who is now leading the Coalition policy.. so how did that happen..? Why isn't the PM a Lib and the Libs leading the policies.? I'm not entirely sure, but the UK definitely didn't vote for a Tory PM.

    At least I think that's what he meant.
    UK definitely did vote for what they have now. Good.

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    Neo UK definitely voted for Conservative PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I actually expect both the UK and Australia to take the whore's way out, as usual. But they are irrelevant.
    Australia maybe, the UK on the other hand is on the UNSC which means it has a veto - (if so directed by the unelected UK government and if the Palestinian elected government decides to go that route).
    OMG we have a real plankton brain candidate here.

    Which hole did you swim out of?

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    Some people align with fucking terrorists for their good god given idea, there is always a god or another, or make one, bloody kebab says you must blow up the world, that is the rule of god

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    "by the unelected UK government and if the Palestinian elected government"
    funny as I now recall on tv palestinians fucking cheering on collapse of 7/11 world towers. fucking shite

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    We already know what the USofIsrael will do. No political figure in the US has the balls to stand up to AIPAC and it's allies, period. Of course, as with every other unrepresentative political system, the discourse you hear on the streets and in private conversations is quite different.

    The real question is what will the rest of the world do? Naturally the US is being Israel's good 'road mamma' as usual, and frantically lobbying away (along with their Hebrew bosses) behind the scenes to oppose the resolution.

    A vast majority of the worlds population will vote in favor of the resolution however, further isolating the USofIsrael as an obstructionist and counterproductive force in the World community. What a cheap way to kiss hegemony goodbye, along with any remaining shred of moral leadership.
    do you actually think the Pallies will be satisfied with their own state ?

    They wont be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo View Post
    Neo UK definitely voted for Conservative PM
    I can't say I followed the whole course of events, but I'm sure the Liberals had the majority, Labour were second and the Conservatives were third, I can't remember the bit where Cameroon was voted as PM.. not that I was really taking much notice as it doesn't particularly effect me. Seems an odd state of affairs where the most unpopular party is now running the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney
    Ohoh...you should expand on this comment...unelected?
    No party at the last UK election had an overall majority of elected MPs. The party with the most mps, the conservatives, had a "back room" conversation with another party, the liberals who were in third place, numbers of elected mps. The liberals also had conversations with the 2nd largest number of mps winning party, the labour party.

    The resulting "coalition government" and their "re-gigged" manifesto was not what the voters voted for.

    The voters did not vote for a coalition, it was not on the ballot papers, which was what the outcome was. Thus the "coalition government", the UK is now under, was never voted for and therefore "unelected" IMHO.

    The conservatives, as the party with the most elected mps was the senior "party" and as such were in a position to decide, after "negotiations" with the 3rd place liberal party, who got which positions in the government.

    Whereas the Palestinians election was held, and agreed by the electoral witnesses/commissions of various countries, to have been won by the elected party.

    Hope that clarifies my previous statements to your satisfaction.

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    Just as the state of israel was created so to now must the state of palestine.

    No brainer.

    Any vetos go before the ICC for crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo
    Neo UK definitely voted for Conservative PM
    The UK prime minister is elected by the MPs of the party with the largest number of elected MPs, who can create a government. The UK voters have no say as to whom the PM is.

    In past elections this has meant that the leading party, measured by the number of elected MPs , has more than the rest of the parties added together. This is called a majority government.

    This last election ended up that either, the conservatives or the labour parties, with the MPs of the liberal party, could have formed a government. The liberal party leadership in it's wisdom, without consulting it's own membership, chose the conservative party to join.

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    The US is on a suicide mission by supporting unconditionally Israel, a self-destructing dictatorship

    all their political capital is gone, and like a beaten wife, they still support Israel and find excuses for their rogue behavior

    With Clinton the Israel whore, this is not helping the Obama administration

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo View Post
    Some people align with fucking terrorists for their good god given idea, there is always a god or another, or make one, bloody kebab says you must blow up the world, that is the rule of god
    right wing scum alert !!! and another red supporter incidentally,

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    I have yet to find a quote from a member of the US government that states that they will veto the request. The most I have seen is that they will not support the request.

    The EU, who were trying to obtain a consensus as to either support or not, have admitted they are unable to reach this consensus. Some EU countries have suggested they will support, and others have said the cannot.

    If the Palestinians go for the UNSC route, there are only 15 countries that matter. As the UN has just allowed a group of unelected terrorists to take the Libyan seat it would be perverse not to allow an elected Palestinian government to take it's own seat.

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    What have the Palestinians got to lose. Another 20 years of being held in a concentration camp by the Israeli government, the loss of US$500 million a year in "Aid" from the US?

    The UN has just authorised multi billion unfreezing of Libyan assets. Maybe they would like to replace the withdrawn US funds. Maybe the UK who has 250 billion in US treasury bonds would like to sell some back to the US and give the Palestinians some "Aid". Maybe the ME countries would like to give them some "Aid".

    Maybe the Israelis would like to invest in their neighbouring state instead of blowing the place up every few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo
    UK is probably the most democratic country
    I agree with you that the UK has a very obedient voting class and an excellent voting administration. Where I disagree is that the basis of the voters decisions are "modified" by the corrupt media and politicians they currently have to choose from.

    As very few voters actually ever attend any political party meetings and garner their "news" from biased TV, radio and media, they are ripe for manipulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo View Post
    Some people align with fucking terrorists for their good god given idea, there is always a god or another, or make one, bloody kebab says you must blow up the world, that is the rule of god
    right wing scum alert !!! and another red supporter incidentally,
    You always say "right wing" to anything that does not suit your view. I find that boring. You could try adjectives next time. Did you call me a fascist at some point? Very funny you bastard.

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