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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo
    Then Geithner gave some advice
    He came, he "advised", he opened the US wallet.
    Geithner did not open any wallet, wanted Europeans to open a wallet, easy for him to say...while he did not mention it, but bailout of italy would be in trillions. Which again comes to why in the fuck should good nations (literally) of europe be paying for losers - these are hard times, euro will go down against asia (I have made my bed, say I trust some 1000000000 times more singapore than eu commission unelected crap) and usd/eur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
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    Geoffrey Yu, director of foreign-exchange strategy at UBS
    "This doesn't change anything. It helps the banks for the next couple of months but that's it."
    best comment yet,

    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    Suki Mann, Societe Generale rate strategist
    "Given the improved sentiment elsewhere, senior bank risk is at best only a touch better. To be able to issue bonds you need to see much lower levels on CDS and with that improved liquidity and better senior cash bond prices. That's not really being seen at the moment and clearly that will only come if you start getting some clarity on the sovereign situation.
    that one also,
    You belgian shite want eurobonds as they will cover you and the good nations of europe will pay -forever , simple as that (ref. Belgian government)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney View Post
    As long as the financial institutions can continue to pay their staff their :volume related" bonuses..that's absolutely fine.

    The fact that these greedy C*NTS all piss in the same pot as the politicians do while singing from the same Hymn sheet...lets face it they've got to keep this game going for as long as humanly possible.

    Oh and Bollox to the rest of the world, you don't matter one toss!
    This southern europe thing, Greece, Italy PIIGS, having a good feast on borrowed credit available to them when they got into the program. The program is flawed. There is no way UK or US reg. officials would have allowed Greece or Italy into eurozone
    The US in its current form does not qualify to enter the Eurozone.

    California is in worse shape then Greece and it is the largest US state. Maybe I missed it......Did Cali get kicked out of the US ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo
    Then Geithner gave some advice
    He came, he "advised", he opened the US wallet.
    Geithner did not open any wallet, wanted Europeans to open a wallet, easy for him to say...while he did not mention it, but bailout of italy would be in trillions. Which again comes to why in the fuck should good nations (literally) of europe be paying for losers - these are hard times, euro will go down against asia (I have made my bed, say I trust some 1000000000 times more singapore than eu commission unelected crap) and usd/eur
    giethner wants the ECB to print but the ECB is not that stupid. Only Americans are that stupid.
    If ECB doesn't print then the Fed will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo
    Geithner did not open any wallet,
    "The ECB and other central banks will be able to access dollars by swapping assets with the US Federal Reserve."

    The US is delivering US$ for European "assets". As the EU assets are devaluing the US is opening it's wallet to potential losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    Market forces will regulate it properly. When the majority of the world starts saving in gold, then the bankers and politicians will have no access to peoples savings and capital. If fiat is only used as a medium of exchange then there will be no incentive to print because there will be no means of accessing purchasing power.

    The sad thing....sonny jim....is you are actually serious....either that or you are the greatest "piss taker" of all time.....


    ".....then the bankers and politicians will have no access to........power........"

    man read what you write.....this is priceless........

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    The entire banking system now operates like a gambler constantly "doubling up" on a losing bet.

    Every time the bet becomes larger and the banks have to print more money, so the value of money reduces.

    What they are really doing is creating inflation which, in turn, will make gold more attractive and money less so.

    The world is facing a real horror story on the inflation front and it is only just starting to take off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    The world is facing a real horror story on the inflation front and it is only just starting to take off.

    There is truth in this statement....but not the whole truth. In the process of bring this system into balance, hugh amounts of debt has to be written down, even written off.... and there in as we all know, lies the problem.

    In the fractional banking system, debt shows on the bank balance sheet as a asset. To write down this debt...the thing which the system is trying to avoid at all costs....it's not just balance sheets that will suffer....every siocieo-economic dynamic on the planet will be in decline or terminal.

    Even to suggest that we can inflate ourselves this problem is eronious...it has worked in the past...but it does not auger well this time...with markets in decline and a drive to austerity achnowledged by all.

    It would seem that we all will have to be satisified with less...a lot less. Services, lifestyles everything in fact will revert to a mean....a lot more people are coming to the table every day....it means there is a lot less to go around.

    The dream that we grew up with of becomeing independently wealthy is fast becomeing a fiction....

    now even Bankers loose a couple of billion over night because someone in the world changes the rules overnight...see the Swise Intervention in their currency. The really mind crippleing thing is the money was never real....it was debt....a fiction created on a keyboard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by baby maker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    Market forces will regulate it properly. When the majority of the world starts saving in gold, then the bankers and politicians will have no access to peoples savings and capital. If fiat is only used as a medium of exchange then there will be no incentive to print because there will be no means of accessing purchasing power.

    The sad thing....sonny jim....is you are actually serious....either that or you are the greatest "piss taker" of all time.....


    ".....then the bankers and politicians will have no access to........power........"

    man read what you write.....this is priceless........
    This is nothing new. The only reason politicians and bankers print money is to access purchasing power(savings and capital) that already exists. This is only possible when purchasing power is saved in the form of something that can be duplicated.

    Allot of small basket case economies(Argentina, Jamaica), the local currency is just a transactional currency. Nobody saves in it. The millionaires in these countries save in foreign currencies. Because there is little savings, anytime one of these governments prints, there is consumer price inflation instantly. They find out fairly quickly that they are wasting their time.

    The same thing can happen in a western country. If the majority of people saved in gold or an alien fiat currency from Mars(you may understand that better), none of the politicians or bankers could access purchasing power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baby maker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    The world is facing a real horror story on the inflation front and it is only just starting to take off.

    Even to suggest that we can inflate ourselves out of this problem is eronious....


    Inflation(currency devaluation) is the form that these losses will take. There is no choice. This is a fiat regime. There is no examples in history where a debtor nations currency rose in value while their economy imploded. Look at the currencies involved in the Asian financial crisis. They all fell by 40 or 60% quickly.(inflation) This will happen to the US dollar. When the gig is finally up, capital flight will hit the US debt markets and the dollar will tank.

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