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    Pope accused of crimes against humanity by victims of sex abuse

    Pope accused of crimes against humanity by victims of sex abuse | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Pope accused of crimes against humanity by victims of sex abuse

    Victims' complaint to the international criminal court accuses Pope Benedict and three others of failing to prevent abusers


    Pope Benedict XVI, who has been cited in a complaint to the international criminal court. Photograph: Vincenzo Pinto/AFP/Getty Images


    Victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests have accused the pope, the Vatican secretary of state and two other high-ranking Holy See officials of crimes against humanity, in a formal complaint to the international criminal court (ICC).

    The submission, lodged at The Hague on Tuesday, accuses the four men not only of failing to prevent or punish perpetrators of rape and sexual violence but also of engaging in the "systematic and widespread" practice of concealing sexual crimes around the world.

    It includes individual cases of abuse where letters and documents between Vatican officials and others show a refusal to co-operate with law enforcement agencies seeking to pursue suspects, according to the Centre for Constitutional Rights (CCR), a US-based organisation that represents the claimants.

    Pam Spees, human rights attorney with CCR, said: "The point of this is to look at it from a higher altitude. You zoom out and the practices are identical: whistleblowers are punished, the refusal of the Vatican to co-operate with law enforcement agencies. You see the protection of priests and leaving them in the ministry and because of these decisions other children are raped and sexually assaulted."

    She said: "It's not only the facts of the abuse but the way that the church deepened the harm in sometimes irreparable ways."

    According to the document filed by CCR, the pope, as head of the Catholic church, is ultimately responsible for the sexual abuse of children by priests and for the cover-ups of that abuse. The group argues that he and others have "direct and superior responsibility" for the crimes of those ranked below them, similar to a military chain of command.

    The others named in the complaint are Angelo Sodano, dean of the College of Cardinals and former Vatican secretary of state; Cardinal Tarcissio Bertone, now secretary of state, who previously served at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), the organisation tasked with handling sexual abuse cases under the pope when he was Cardinal Ratzinger; and Cardinal William Lavada, head of the CDF, whose handling of previous sexual abuse cases has been criticised in the past.

    Megan Petersen, from Minnesota, is one of two named US victims whose cases have been included in the complaint to the ICC. Petersen was awarded $750,000 (£500,000) last week in a civil claim against Crookston diocese, in which she alleged that a priest, Joseph Jeyapaul, had raped her repeatedly as a child.

    Speaking at The Hague, where the complaint was being launched, Petersen said of Jeyapaul: "He was a man of God and I was very devout. I wanted to be a nun. I trusted him.

    "Part of why I'm here is to protect kids. My perpetrator is still serving among kids and vulnerable adults, despite there being criminal charges against him. Ratzinger is the head of this organisation and these are his sheep, his flock. I will do everything in my power to make sure this does not happen to another child." Jeyapaul has denied the abuse from India, where he is serving as a priest.

    Amnesty International's latest annual human rights report, which cited the Holy See for the first time, concluded there was widespread evidence of child sexual abuse by members of the clergy over past decades, and an "enduring failure" of the Catholic church to seek redress.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    According to the document filed by CCR, the pope, as head of the Catholic church, is ultimately responsible for the sexual abuse of children by priests and for the cover-ups of that abuse. The group argues that he and others have "direct and superior responsibility" for the crimes of those ranked below them, similar to a military chain of command.
    That's going to be a hard one to make stick, of course the entire catholic hierarchy knows exactly what's been going down for the last who knows how many decades but pinning it on the pope just isn't going to happen, in fact I'd be extremely surprised if anyone who hasn't actually abused a child ever gets anything more than an internal "don't do it again there's a good chap" slap on the wrists. I don't know for sure but I can't recall a single person in the catholic hierarchy being prosecuted by the police for enabling child abuse. Best they can hope for is highlighting the abuses and try to stop it continuing.

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    When the present pope was a cardinal, he had the job of sorting out the perverts but, it seems, did nothing much. Charges from those days might stand a better chance of success. It won't go far, of course, but keeping up the publicity about the sex crimes of the RC church might eventually have some good effect.

    Perhaps a close look could be take at some other christian churches and chapel outfits too.

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    Not the Mormons, surely ?

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    If it sticks or not it shoves the Catholic Hierarchy into the reality of being apart of the real world and not above the rule of national and international law. A few weeks ago the Irish Government lambasted the Church over them ignoring the Irish law in relation to child abuse. The Bishop involved was called to Rome to explain.

    Child abuse is a deadly disease that is very curable but only if everyone becomes part of that cure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble View Post
    If it sticks or not it shoves the Catholic Hierarchy into the reality of being apart of the real world and not above the rule of national and international law. A few weeks ago the Irish Government lambasted the Church over them ignoring the Irish law in relation to child abuse. The Bishop involved was called to Rome to explain.

    Child abuse is a deadly disease that is very curable but only if everyone becomes part of that cure.
    Very true.

    The rc church, however, is too arrogant and powerful ever to really repent its sins and mend its ways. It's whole ethic is about abusing people.

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    Money and power existing in a pretentious world.

    Some maybe better described as Antichrists. 'Come little ones unto me'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morden
    The rc church, however, is too arrogant and powerful ever to really repent its sins and mend its ways. It's whole ethic is about abusing people.
    The arrogance is still there but the power is ebbing. I disagree about the ethic of abusing people. The vast majority of the grunts are very good people. I worked closely with people who really believe in the simple message that the Hierarchy of the boys club have done so much to destroy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    Money and power existing in a pretentious world.

    Some maybe better described as Antichrists. 'Come little ones unto me'

    Good to see it happening… the RC church should be disbanded… their assists sold off and the proceeds given to compensate the victims of their abuse. These scum really think they are above the law and they sicken me with that arrogance.

    Slightly off topic... but this is a true story and an example of the cover up culture in god fearing Ireland. The 3 people you had to watch in the local community were the Priest, the Teacher and the Garda (police)… they were all in cahoots with each other when it came to covering things up.

    The principal at our secondary school (ex Christian brother who spent time in Africa teaching) was a touchy feely with the boys and it was common knowledge in the school to never to get caught alone with him or be called in to the office for a "talk". I remember one teacher even half joking to us to never get caught in the corridor alone between classes or you’ll get called to the principal’s office for a "talk".

    Apparently the talks involved him asking the lads if they were wanking already and what they waked about and to demonstrate how they and/or he would show them how to do it... hands on approach.

    One brave lad told his parents all about it and that the teacher had opened his pants and touched him… the parents arrived at the school and there were whispered discussions with the teacher behind closed doors. The local priest and the local Garda were called to the school and nothing ever came of it. The teacher kept his job and the lad was ignored by the teacher for the remaining years at school.

    We asked him what had happened and he told us he was warned by his parents to never to speak about it again… it seemed the trio (teacher, priest, Garda) pressured the parents to be quiet about and it wasnt that serious anyway and something like that could could ruin the boys future if it became public. I think the teacher was passing it off as sex ed.

    Unfortunately the fondling/wank talking seasons continued for others until the teacher retired about 10 years ago.

    I was one of the lucky ones that never get called into his office for any reason... I kept a low profile in school but was prepared to damage the fooker if he ever touched me... i think he knew it too and left me alone. If it had happened to me and i had told my parents, I know they wouldnt have had the bottle to confront him... just the way things were in rural (god fearing) Ireland in the 70’s/80’s.

    I always said that this pope looked dark and sinister... he gives me the creeps.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble View Post
    A few weeks ago the Irish Government lambasted the Church over them ignoring the Irish law in relation to child abuse. The Bishop involved was called to Rome to explain.
    I think you mean "The Papal Nuncio was recalled so that him and the Vatican could get their stories straight".

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    Great stuff

    Even though it will prolly come to naught.

    Now the next mission: Crimes against humanity committed by Thai karaoke and Thai 'music'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    I think you mean "The Papal Nuncio was recalled so that him and the Vatican could get their stories straight".
    I thought the actual crap artist himself was pulled back to Rome? The days of the all powerful Irish Catholic Church are over! Still a force but not the unquestionable power it once was.

    As to getting their stories straight, It would not surprise me. However I hope it could have been a dressing down at creating another international black eye for the RC. The old dogs that control the church will learn eventually. This is after all the last international bastion of "The Olde Boys Club"

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