Amish men face jail in buggy safety ruling

**BobR** · 13-09-2011, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by SEA Traveler

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by SEA Traveler

Originally Posted by BobR

I'm not sure who is the worst dickhead; these people or the nanny state that does not let adults decide their own fate. I could understand the State telling them they cannot transport children without the silly triangle, but if they want to die themselves, that should be an adult decision.

a point to consider that was overlooked BobR is the fact that others on the road would be endangered as well... mainly the auto drivers and their passengers in the area where these buggies are riding.

Hitting a buggy in a car is not particularly dangerous, but like most of America's stupid so called safety laws, this one probably has more to do with increasing the profits of the well lobbied insurance companies than saving people from harm.

BobR, I'm noy buying your "Hitting a buggy in a car is not particularly dangerous," line. If you can't figure it out, no sense explaining. "peace to you anyway".

There is nothing to explain; this is about the ever increasing level of government arrogance. These people have used their black buggies for many many years and their traditions have been respected. The modesty argument is not some silly loophole they just thought of last week, it's been their tradition for years. Now after many years of tolerance, the government has reached the level of arrogance that they no longer respect the Amish traditions. Anyone with a brain should be concerned about the level of arrogance in American Government with is constantly reaching new highs. Your traditions may be next.

I should have said this in my last post. Thomas Paine, one of the American founding fathers said it best "That government is best which governs least."

**harrybarracuda** · 13-09-2011, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by WilliamBlake

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

then turned round and said "We're Jewish, so on Fridays we can't use the elevator.

Never heard of this. I think they must have been lying to get a different room. Reception should have said "If you don't like the elevator, or stairs, you could always try the window."

I hadn't heard of it either, but it would appear that there is plenty of evidence to support it:

JERUSALEM — The Jewish day of rest has become a bit more labor-intensive for Yosef Ball.
The Orthodox Jew and his wife are no longer using elevators custom-built for the Jewish Sabbath, ever since a rabbinical ruling last month outlawed them. Instead, they have been hiking up seven flights of stairs to get home each Saturday, lugging with them their five young children and a double stroller.

Link

They were told they could have a room on the 4th floor, but they wouldn't have a double bed, only twins.

I left them scratching their heads.

**Cujo** · 13-09-2011, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by BobR

There is nothing to explain; this is about the ever increasing level of government arrogance. These people have used their black buggies for many many years and their traditions have been respected. The modesty argument is not some silly loophole they just thought of last week, it's been their tradition for years.

It's also been the tradition of the Philipinos to kill dogs in their backyard for a BBQ, Should we respect that tradition also.
What about the Afgan tradition of having orgies with young boys, OK? What about the Islamic tradition of marrying preteen girls? Respect that.
There's got to be a line, we have rules and regulations and sometimes they conflict with certain segments of society but like they say, you can't please all the people all the time.

**BaitongBoy** · 13-09-2011, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Koojo

a little yapping nobody

**harrybarracuda** · 13-09-2011, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Koojo

What about the Islamic tradition of marrying preteen girls?

And getting them pregnant as often as biologically possible, which is what the mullahs exhort all their followers to do when they're not buggering little boys.

**Itchy** · 13-09-2011, 08:32 PM

Meanwhile, how many members here on TV complain about laws back home forcing them to comply to ever increasing rules?

**tuktukdriver** · 13-09-2011, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When I was checking into the hotel in CM last week, a couple in front of me had completed all of the formalities, got a room on the forty-something floor, were about to leave, then turned round and said "We're Jewish, so on Fridays we can't use the elevator. That's a lot of stairs to walk".

So it's not just the Amish who should stay in their retarded bloody villages.

I learned about this one in Israel. The hotels will designate one of the elevators as the "Shabbat Elevator", from Friday night until Saturday night the elevator travels on it's own, stopping for a few minutes at each floor. The religion does not forbid them to use the elevator, it forbids them to control the electricity. They can also ask one of us non-believers to push the buttons for them, I have done that before. Bad thing is it takes one elevator out of service.

Yes, I agree, stay in your village, maybe better for all.

**Cujo** · 13-09-2011, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Koojo

What about the Islamic tradition of marrying preteen girls?

And getting them pregnant as often as biologically possible, which is what the mullahs exhort all their followers to do when they're not buggering little boys.

It's their tradition me must respect it.

**Cujo** · 13-09-2011, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When I was checking into the hotel in CM last week, a couple in front of me had completed all of the formalities, got a room on the forty-something floor, were about to leave, then turned round and said "We're Jewish, so on Fridays we can't use the elevator. That's a lot of stairs to walk".

So it's not just the Amish who should stay in their retarded bloody villages.

I learned about this one in Israel. The hotels will designate one of the elevators as the "Shabbat Elevator", from Friday night until Saturday night the elevator travels on it's own, stopping for a few minutes at each floor. The religion does not forbid them to use the elevator, it forbids them to control the electricity. They can also ask one of us non-believers to push the buttons for them, I have done that before.

Must be fun teasing them by pressing the wrong button.
Or every floor on the way to where they want to go.

**harrybarracuda** · 17-09-2011, 03:13 PM

And here are our Amish criminals:

That's a nifty look, I might try it.

**robuzo** · 17-09-2011, 04:08 PM

^So they can wear lapels but not safety gear? What kind of Amish are these?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-triangle-fine

**harrybarracuda** · 17-09-2011, 05:24 PM

Frankly they deserve to be arrested for the stupid beards and curls.

**BobR** · 17-09-2011, 06:21 PM

There was once a better time in America before we became a nation of feminized wimps, at least the cowboys of the old west did not have to put orange triangles on their horses a sses.

Some of us would prefer to die free than be treated like children by our government. Apparently there are not many real men left.

**Cujo** · 18-09-2011, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by BobR

There was once a better time in America before we became a nation of feminized wimps, at least the cowboys of the old west did not have to put orange triangles on their horses a sses.

The cowboys of old west didn't have to consider that they are fucking menace trundling along on a highway built for vehicles that travel at speed and could sriously hurt or kill someone who ran into them. They're inconsiderate assholes, I'm surprised they're even allowed on the road with those fucking buggies.

**robuzo** · 18-09-2011, 04:01 PM

^It's not so bad if they are lit up at night. The horses they use are ex-sulky pullers usually. I'm pretty sure Amish boys race them. They run them to death. The Amish treat animals like machines. They are almost creepily unsentimental. Maybe not almost.

**baby maker** · 18-09-2011, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by BobR

Thomas Paine, one of the American founding fathers said it best "That government is best which governs least."

obviously dreaming of his bolthole in LOS.....

**hazz** · 18-09-2011, 07:25 PM

The rights of the individual is wonderful and simple idea, until you relise that very few of us live alone on the top of mountain. We live in societies amongst people who's rights we need to respect as much they must respect ours and this is where it gets very messy.

Clearly sometimes we do have the right to put the lives of other people at risk so that we can enjoy our own rights. car driving is a classic example. But rights come the responsibilities; and in the case of driving, its the responsibility to take action that minimizes the risk to other peoples lives.

These gentlemen seem to want their rights without shouldering the responsibilities that come this them.

As for their modesty rules, I cannot see how they can justify that. the rules are there to protect them from the sins of lust and pride. The triangle is simply a necessary tool and is of the size and color that it needs to be to do the job is no more a symbol of pride than the buttons on their cloths. To be honest i think these nine are already suffering from the sin of pride. Beyond wearing lapels, I cannot think of anything more proud and arrogant than seeing a small compromise in their modesty traditions is more important than the lives of people who will die crashing into their buggies.

Just another bunch of self-centered arrogant religious nutters, trying to force their religious values down our throats. I'm just a little surprised to find members of the amish community doing this; its a bit like seeing a quaker with a hand gun.

**Cujo** · 18-09-2011, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And here are our Amish criminals:

That's a nifty look, I might try it.

They look like the cast of a horror movie where a couple takes a wrong turn and ends up in a small town never to be heard from again.

**harrybarracuda** · 18-09-2011, 08:02 PM

I keep wondering which one is Snow White.

**Cujo** · 18-09-2011, 08:06 PM

If it's snow white it's the horror version.

**Simon43** · 18-09-2011, 10:48 PM

Those beards resemble the fake beards that Thai actors often sport in the soaps.

I reckon one tug of those beards and they would come off in your hand...

Simon

**Cujo** · 19-09-2011, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Simon43

Those beards resemble the fake beards that Thai actors often sport in the soaps.

I reckon one tug of those beards and they would come off in your hand...

Simon

I reckon try tugging on the beard of the guy bottom left and you'll find yourself in a world of amish hurt.

**robuzo** · 19-09-2011, 08:58 AM

So that some of you might get a better idea of what the Amish are like at their best, the Wikipedia about the 2006 mass murder of Amish girls in their one-room schoolhouse has a good summary: Amish school shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Amish school shooting was a shooting at the West Nickel Mines School, an Amish one-room schoolhouse in the Old Order Amish community of Nickel Mines, a village in Bart Township of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, on October 2, 2006.[1][2][3][4][5] Gunman Charles Carl Roberts IV took hostages and eventually shot ten girls (aged 6–13), killing five, before committing suicide in the schoolhouse.

Amish community response
On the day of the shooting, a grandfather of one of the murdered Amish girls was heard warning some young relatives not to hate the killer, saying, "We must not think evil of this man."[17][dead link] Another Amish father noted, "He had a mother and a wife and a soul and now he's standing before a just God."[18]
Jack Meyer, a member of the Brethren community living near the Amish in Lancaster County, explained: "I don't think there's anybody here that wants to do anything but forgive and not only reach out to those who have suffered a loss in that way but to reach out to the family of the man who committed these acts."[17][dead link]
A Roberts family spokesman said an Amish neighbor comforted the Roberts family hours after the shooting and extended forgiveness to them.[19] Amish community members visited and comforted Roberts' widow, parents, and parents-in-law. One Amish man held Roberts' sobbing father in his arms, reportedly for as long as an hour, to comfort him.[20] The Amish have also set up a charitable fund for the family of the shooter.[21] About 30 members of the Amish community attended Roberts' funeral,[20] and Marie Roberts, the widow of the killer, was one of the few outsiders invited to the funeral of one of the victims.[22] Marie Roberts wrote an open letter to her Amish neighbors thanking them for their forgiveness, grace, and mercy. She wrote, "Your love for our family has helped to provide the healing we so desperately need. Gifts you've given have touched our hearts in a way no words can describe. Your compassion has reached beyond our family, beyond our community, and is changing our world, and for this we sincerely thank you."[22]
The Amish do not normally accept charity, but due to the extreme nature of the tragedy, donations were accepted. Richie Lauer, director of the Anabaptist Foundation, said the Amish community, whose religious beliefs prohibit them from having health insurance, will likely use the donations to help pay the medical costs of the hospitalized children.[23]
Some commentators criticized the swift and complete forgiveness with which the Amish responded, arguing that forgiveness is inappropriate when no remorse has been expressed, and that such an attitude runs the risk of denying the existence of evil;[24][25][26] others were supportive.[27][28] Donald Kraybill and two other scholars of Amish life noted that "letting go of grudges" is a deeply rooted value in Amish culture, which remembers forgiving martyrs including Dirk Willems and Jesus himself. They explained that the Amish willingness to forgo vengeance does not undo the tragedy or pardon the wrong, but rather constitutes a first step toward a future that is more hopeful.
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Tug on an Amish man's beard if you are so compelled. He might think you a fool and pity you, but he probably won't get violent.

**Mickmac** · 19-09-2011, 10:53 AM

Mexican drug cartels, renegade bikie gangs, and the Amish !

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