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    British Police fail again.

    This was posted in another thread, but I think it does merit discussion in its own right:

    Muslim protesters burn US flag outside memorial service

    Sun Sep 11 2011 17:43
    A group of British Muslims staged a protest nearby the memorial service for the September 11th attacks in London by burning a US flag.
    The group of radical Islamic groups, including Muslims Against Crusades, gathered outside the US embassy shouting "USA terrorists" and holding anti-American placards.
    Tom Clarke, who lost his sister Suria, a 30-year-old PR executive, in the attacks on the World Trade Center, said that he would prefer it if the protesters had not staged the demonstration.
    However, he said: "I would much rather live in a country where people are allowed to do that than one where they aren't.
    "I would defend their right to protest and have the right to say what they want."
    Two men were arrested at the entrance to the service.
    Later, Marble Arch was brought to a standstill as EDL protesters clashed with Muslim extremists.
    Several glass bottles were thrown by EDL supporters as officers struggled to keep them apart.
    Now maybe it's only me, but it's only a few week ago that the filth stood by and watched a load of mainly black rioters looting shops and businesses all over London.

    So why couldn't they just fuck off for a tea break and let decent English citizens sort these horrible little c**ts out?

    They have no respect for British law, in fact they despise it and want to introduce Sharia law.

    So why give them the protection British law offers?

    Another example of a spineless kowtowing bureaucracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    So why give them the protection British law offers?

    Another example of a spineless kowtowing bureaucracy.
    Look on the bright side. If someone orders a koran burning protest outside a U.K. mosque at least they can rest assured that they will also be entitled to police protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Another example of a spineless kowtowing bureaucracy
    Stiff upper lip and all that "arry" makes you proud to be British...doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    Look on the bright side. If someone orders a koran burning protest outside a U.K. mosque at least they can rest assured that they will also be entitled to police protection
    No they'll be banged up and dragged before a beak for inciting racial hatred, unless of course they're confused muzzies who lit the wrong book by mistake because they can't fucking read!

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    FREE SPEECH - but only for Muslims?

    9/11 anniversary: Muslim protesters burn US flag outside embassy in London

    "Earlier a group of right-wing English Defence League protesters, who had gathered in response to the demonstration, were ordered to move on to accommodate the MAC [Muslims Against Crusades] supporters."

    SOURCE: 9/11 anniversary: Muslim protesters burn US flag outside embassy in London - Telegraph


    Hmm... It seems perfectly acceptable to the authorities to permit persons of a particular religious group to disrupt and cause great offence to many people during a memorial for the 9/11 atrocities yet forbid others to oppose such a view.

    Likewise, "A Muslim extremist who burned replica poppies on the anniversary of Armistice Day was fined just £50 after being found guilty of a public order offence."
    SOURCE: Muslim extremist who burned poppies receives £50 fine - Telegraph

    To burn such a symbolic icon for those of us who lost so many family and friends in those wars to defend ourselves against the imposition of a despicable tyranny now face yet again another such foe - but this time it is an enemy within our own bosom! I think the picture below demonstrates my point.



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    The police are in a no-win situation. If they charge in and break up the protest too aggressively, they will be criticized if not sacked and charged and if they do too little they will face criticism.
    I would expect that many police officers simply react by making their own career and staying out of trouble their first priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    I would expect that many police officers simply react by making their own career and staying out of trouble their first priority.
    Yes I expect the British police have learned their lesson by now. Keep your head down, avoid conflict, give the public as little opportunity to "complain" as possible.
    Last edited by Thormaturge; 14-09-2011 at 11:16 AM.

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    The problem is that its a Police Service which has been watered down by different governments of the day in the UK. Also as said above this is a no win situation for the police.
    Damned if they do anything damned if they don,t
    What I would like to see is a return to a Police Force controlled by a Police Commissioner who is a Police Officer and not a political pawn and lacky. He should also have the power to say no to all politicians without fear of retribution from spineless.gutless politicians masquerading as leaders of my country of birth
    On a personal note,I would send all the muslim demonstrators back to their countries of birth to live under their beloved Sharia Law.
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    Some police officers are 'barely literate because entry standards are so low'By Chris Greenwood

    Last updated at 9:07 PM on 13th September 2011


    Some police officers are ‘barely literate’ because the educational standards required to join the service are so low, it was claimed last night.

    Tom Winsor, the lawyer reviewing police conditions, said reading, writing and mathematical skills have fallen ‘significantly’ since the 1930s.

    He suggested that the public could be at risk if poor academic skills damage the effectiveness of potentially vital evidence.

    Mr Winsor said criminal barristers sometimes ‘speak in contemptuous terms’ of the ‘barely literate’ quality of police evidence.

    While checking and rewriting poor quality paperwork was increasing the cost and bureaucracy of policing.

    And in an extraordinary aside, he added that two senior officers told him standards were lowered to help black and ethnic minority recruits.

    He said the claim was ‘astonishing’ and an ‘insult’ to anyone from such a background who wanted a career in policing.

    Speaking to an audience of superintendents in Warwickshire, Mr Winsor said it was unfair to expect overworked prosecutors to correct documents.

    Mr Winsor said: ‘Why is the entrance test for a police constable now so low? The educational requirements, why are they so low?

    ‘We looked at the basic questions, one of which is, 'You find a purse in the street, it contains a £5 note, four 20p pieces and five two pence pieces, how much is in the purse?'
    ‘That's the standard.
    ‘We've looked at the educational standards for the police from 1930 and 1946 and I can tell you they are very very significantly harder.

    ‘It seems to me that public safety is critical and we want the most all-round effective police officers. So I ask again, should it be higher, the entrance standard?’
    Mr Winsor has already inflamed tensions between himself and the police in his review of their conditions, recruitment and training.

    Home Secretary Theresa May has asked him to look at entry requirements for the police in order to widen the pool of talent for top officers.

    This could include allowing leaders from other areas of the public sector or industry to directly enter the top ranks.

    Police training could also be opened up to universities, colleges and specialist companies in the private sector.

    Mr Winsor admitted that many people who are ‘entirely unsuitable to be police officers’ could pass academic test.

    He said: ‘It takes more than a clever person to be a cop, I get that. It takes maturity, judgment, bravery, the ability to deal with people.

    ‘Now those are things that need to be tested in other ways. But you also need to be bright - bright enough, because you are part of a criminal justice system.’

    Mr Winsor said he was told by a former Met Commissioner and serving national Police Federation officer that standards were lowered to get more diverse applicants.
    He said: ‘I find that astonishing because if I was of that background I'd be insulted. Is it true, this assumption? It can't be so.’

    Asked if police officers have poor standards of literacy, Mrs May replied: ‘That is not what I have found. I have found officers committed and dedicated to getting on with their job.

    ‘But it is still right for Tom Winsor to look at entry requirements and the possibility of senior entry at higher ranks.’



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Another example of a spineless kowtowing bureaucracy
    Stiff upper lip and all that "arry" makes you proud to be British...doesn't it?
    The "stiff upper lip" was replaced with "stiff sphincter" quite some time ago.

    Dixon of Dock Green would never have tolerated this BS.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Another example of a spineless kowtowing bureaucracy
    Stiff upper lip and all that "arry" makes you proud to be British...doesn't it?
    The "stiff upper lip" was replaced with "stiff sphincter" quite some time ago.

    Dixon of Dock Green would never have tolerated this BS.....
    Times have certainly changed. Dixon of Dock Green was played by Jack Warner:



    This is the modern-day Jack Warner.

    BBC Sport - Jack Warner gave cash to official, document obtained by BBC claims

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    You should know by now arry the tail wags the dog here ,,,, the majority are happy to stick their arses up in the air ready for shafting

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Some police officers are 'barely literate because entry standards are so low'By Chris Greenwood

    Last updated at 9:07 PM on 13th September 2011


    Some police officers are ‘barely literate’ because the educational standards required to join the service are so low, it was claimed last night.

    Tom Winsor, the lawyer reviewing police conditions, said reading, writing and mathematical skills have fallen ‘significantly’ since the 1930s.

    He suggested that the public could be at risk if poor academic skills damage the effectiveness of potentially vital evidence.

    Mr Winsor said criminal barristers sometimes ‘speak in contemptuous terms’ of the ‘barely literate’ quality of police evidence.

    While checking and rewriting poor quality paperwork was increasing the cost and bureaucracy of policing.

    And in an extraordinary aside, he added that two senior officers told him standards were lowered to help black and ethnic minority recruits.

    He said the claim was ‘astonishing’ and an ‘insult’ to anyone from such a background who wanted a career in policing.

    Speaking to an audience of superintendents in Warwickshire, Mr Winsor said it was unfair to expect overworked prosecutors to correct documents.

    Mr Winsor said: ‘Why is the entrance test for a police constable now so low? The educational requirements, why are they so low?

    ‘We looked at the basic questions, one of which is, 'You find a purse in the street, it contains a £5 note, four 20p pieces and five two pence pieces, how much is in the purse?'
    ‘That's the standard.
    ‘We've looked at the educational standards for the police from 1930 and 1946 and I can tell you they are very very significantly harder.

    ‘It seems to me that public safety is critical and we want the most all-round effective police officers. So I ask again, should it be higher, the entrance standard?’
    Mr Winsor has already inflamed tensions between himself and the police in his review of their conditions, recruitment and training.

    Home Secretary Theresa May has asked him to look at entry requirements for the police in order to widen the pool of talent for top officers.

    This could include allowing leaders from other areas of the public sector or industry to directly enter the top ranks.

    Police training could also be opened up to universities, colleges and specialist companies in the private sector.

    Mr Winsor admitted that many people who are ‘entirely unsuitable to be police officers’ could pass academic test.

    He said: ‘It takes more than a clever person to be a cop, I get that. It takes maturity, judgment, bravery, the ability to deal with people.

    ‘Now those are things that need to be tested in other ways. But you also need to be bright - bright enough, because you are part of a criminal justice system.’

    Mr Winsor said he was told by a former Met Commissioner and serving national Police Federation officer that standards were lowered to get more diverse applicants.
    He said: ‘I find that astonishing because if I was of that background I'd be insulted. Is it true, this assumption? It can't be so.’

    Asked if police officers have poor standards of literacy, Mrs May replied: ‘That is not what I have found. I have found officers committed and dedicated to getting on with their job.

    ‘But it is still right for Tom Winsor to look at entry requirements and the possibility of senior entry at higher ranks.’



    Read more: Some police officers are 'barely literate because educational standards are so low' | Mail Online
    In America most police departments give police recruits psychological tests, and being too intelligent is a valid reason for denial of employment based on psychological unfitness. Really, no joke. Abstract thinkers who can figure out how ridiculous some of our laws and customs are would not be useful in police work.
    There have been numerous news stories of people rejected because their IQ was too high.

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    Care to post some of those stories?

    I know several cops with extremely high IQ's, master degrees etc

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    The Metropolitan Police (London) was known for taking on recruits who had failed entry into their local force. In the mid-80s, my mate with 11 O levels and 3 A-levels was unsuitable for Northumbria Police, but was lapped up by the Met. Incidentally, he told me he was forced by his superiors to commit perjury (swearing that he saw the defendant attacking another policeman with a deadly weapon) in his very first court appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown View Post
    Care to post some of those stories?
    Yes please Bobr. Go ahead, or are you just talking shit again?

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    I knew a police officer who left the Force to sell Amway.

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    Relating to the OP, the problem on the ground, imo, as others may have mentoned is that the standards have been set by those above who have more to lose by applying the law and being criticised for doing so, especially when confronted by religious/race issues. Junior officers who witness such events invaribly have to stand idly by because of what they have been briefed to react to.

    The whole system is operated by the Home Secretary down and in my judgement it is wrong to mention that standards have dropped in recent years for entrants. It defies belief that education levels of excellence have dropped in comparison to the 1930's

    Eighty years ago there were merely a handful of officers patrolling the streets simply because crime was minimal compared to the 21st Century.
    There was almost no ethic minority communities that are so much part and parcel of society nowadays. Therefore officers of ethnic origin were not such a requirement as they are currently.

    Have entrance standards slipped in recent years? Well, i would say not recently as i grew up with a now retired black police officer who could barely write his name but as a former army heavyweight boxing champion and a really great guy someone decided that he had something to offer. Incidently he served 25 years in the service despite his non academic background.

    Teresa May would do well not to enforce 'Senior Entry at Higher Ranks' as i would be surprised if this would not cause resentment amongst a sevice whose rank structure is based upon quality of performances/talent from the ground up. Being 'fast tracked' however, is quite acceptable.

    Criminal barristers, who mistakenly believe that they are god, should also refrain from criticising the paperwork of individual officers as prior to submission to CPS and appearing in court that work should have been checked by others more senior. It is for those supervisory officers to raise the bar.

    It must be remembered that there will always be more indians than chiefs in the emergency services and certainly to initiate a plan to recruit more academics at ground level would simply cause an imbalance and a culture not sustainable in an such an active occupation.

    I agree with the comments of Mr Winsor who admitted that many people who are ‘entirely unsuitable to be police officers’ could pass academic test.

    He said: ‘It takes more than a clever person to be a cop, I get that. It takes maturity, judgment, bravery, the ability to deal with people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chitown View Post
    Care to post some of those stories?
    Yes please Bobr. Go ahead, or are you just talking shit again?
    OK Troll, is the New York Times a good enough source for you?

    METRO NEWS BRIEFS: CONNECTICUT; Judge Rules That Police Can Bar High I.Q. Scores
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    A Federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by a man who was barred from the New London police force because he scored too high on an intelligence test.

    In a ruling made public on Tuesday, Judge Peter C. Dorsey of the United States District Court in New Haven agreed that the plaintiff, Robert Jordan, was denied an opportunity to interview for a police job because of his high test scores. But he said that that did not mean Mr. Jordan was a victim of discrimination.

    Judge Dorsey ruled that Mr. Jordan was not denied equal protection because the city of New London applied the same standard to everyone: anyone who scored too high was rejected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chitown View Post
    Care to post some of those stories?
    Yes please Bobr. Go ahead, or are you just talking shit again?
    OK Troll, is the New York Times a good enough source for you?

    METRO NEWS BRIEFS: CONNECTICUT; Judge Rules That Police Can Bar High I.Q. Scores
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    A Federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by a man who was barred from the New London police force because he scored too high on an intelligence test.

    In a ruling made public on Tuesday, Judge Peter C. Dorsey of the United States District Court in New Haven agreed that the plaintiff, Robert Jordan, was denied an opportunity to interview for a police job because of his high test scores. But he said that that did not mean Mr. Jordan was a victim of discrimination.

    Judge Dorsey ruled that Mr. Jordan was not denied equal protection because the city of New London applied the same standard to everyone: anyone who scored too high was rejected.
    1 instance 12 years old, not bad.
    But that's beside the point, I thought we were talking about the British police.

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