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    Air conditioning for troops costs more than NASA


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    Air conditioning for troops costs more than NASA

    Published: 27 June, 2011, 20:29
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    If you think your electricity bill is a joke, get a load of this. The United States spends more than $20 billion per year on air conditioning for troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. As NPR reports, that’s more than the entire operating budget for NASA.

    News flash: the desert is hot.

    This comes at a time when not only are Americans increasingly opposed to overseas military operations, but NASA’s 30-year-old space shuttle program has been retired due to, among other things, pricey bills.

    And with the space shuttle program officially grounded, it looks like the only thing sky rocketing these days is the cost of keeping the troops cool.

    To National Public Radio’s Morning Edition program, retired logistician Steven Anderson says that every inch of the way is costing Americans a pretty penny to keep the climate under control for men and women fighting abroad. "When you consider the cost to deliver the fuel to some of the most isolated places in the world — escorting, command and control, medevac support — when you throw all that infrastructure in, we're talking over $20 billion," he says. "You've got risks that are associated with moving the fuel almost every mile of the way."

    It turns out that “every mile of the way” is more than one might expect, too. There are 800 miles of “improved goat trails” between Karachi (where fuel is initially dropped) to Afghanistan, a trip that costs over two weeks of travel.

    Anderson adds that more than 1,000 troops have died while transporting fuel alone.

    On top of that, Anderson says energy use could be cut by 92 percent in Iraq if the military switches to polyurethane foam insulation for tents, a switch that would also take around 11,000 gas-guzzling fuel trucks off the roads — or should I say goat trails?

    "A simple policy signed by the secretary of defense — a one- or two-page memo, saying we will no longer build anything other than energy-efficient structures in Iraq and Afghanistan — would have a profound impact,
    ” says Anderson. In the meantime, however, it doesn’t look like any generals are gung-ho on going green.

    In comparison, that $20 billion annually is more than BP has paid to help repair damages from the Gulf oil spill, and even more than the G-8 pledged to help bring democracy to Egypt and Tunisia.

    Maybe democracy isn’t the answer. Perhaps all the Middle East needs is a little central air?


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    20bn a year huh..
    reckon anyone's gettin any kickbacks?
    Bush family maybe?

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    And probably a fair bit goes into the CIA slush fund as well.

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    Having been in Iraq three times and Afghanistan twice and sweated my ass off I can honestly speak for all soldiers out there you Harry and Albert can go shag their useless civilian selfs...the failed Obama care cost 800 times what air conditioning costs but you toads don't mention that?
    ...otherwise known as the AngryBuddhist....

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    Fuck off you goat

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    20 billion? I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbt71fa View Post
    Having been in Iraq three times and Afghanistan twice and sweated my ass off I can honestly speak for all soldiers out there you Harry and Albert can go shag their useless civilian selfs...the failed Obama care cost 800 times what air conditioning costs but you toads don't mention that?
    Don't be such a wanker, I live in the fucking desert and it doesn't cost anywhere near that to air con a house.

    Once again the US taxpayer is being robbed blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbt71fa View Post
    Having been in Iraq three times and Afghanistan twice and sweated my ass off I can honestly speak for all soldiers out there you Harry and Albert can go shag their useless civilian selfs...the failed Obama care cost 800 times what air conditioning costs but you toads don't mention that?
    Don't be such a wanker, I live in the fucking desert and it doesn't cost anywhere near that to air con a house. **

    Once again the US taxpayer is being robbed blind.

    ** Unless Uncle Sam slipped a couple of million extra troops in there without telling anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    I live in the fucking desert and it doesn't cost anywhere near that to air con a house. **
    They are using the air con in tents with no insulation, and they are not just talking about the running costs as though you are flicking a switch and then paying an electricity bill either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbt71fa
    Obama care cost 800 times what air conditioning costs
    not too good with numbers, are you sport?



    anyway, both of W's wars are a colossal waste of money, and these failed military misadventures should be brought to an abrupt halt.

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    Ever hear of a "swamp cooler"?
    They work.
    But that's why we have wars isn't it?
    So businesses like Haliburton can make tons of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gbt71fa
    Obama care cost 800 times what air conditioning costs
    not too good with numbers, are you sport?



    anyway, both of W's wars are a colossal waste of money, and these failed military misadventures should be brought to an abrupt halt.


    What is more important in the long run ?

    Health Care or some cool AC ?

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    ^er...cool AC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    I live in the fucking desert and it doesn't cost anywhere near that to air con a house. **
    They are using the air con in tents with no insulation, and they are not just talking about the running costs as though you are flicking a switch and then paying an electricity bill either.
    Oh get real Noodles, you don't think it really costs $20Bn to air con the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan do you?

    Reminds me of the $1000 toilet seats and the $500 wrenches we used to hear about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Oh get real Noodles, you don't think it really costs $20Bn to air con the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan do you?
    Can't see why not when all the costs are taken in to account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    I live in the fucking desert and it doesn't cost anywhere near that to air con a house. **
    They are using the air con in tents with no insulation, and they are not just talking about the running costs as though you are flicking a switch and then paying an electricity bill either.
    Oh get real Noodles, you don't think it really costs $20Bn to air con the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan do you?

    Reminds me of the $1000 toilet seats and the $500 wrenches we used to hear about.

    They must be using fuel oil or kerosene to power the generators, how much do you think that costs per gallon by the time it's been shipped all the way out to the middle of nowhere, how many gallons an hour do you think they must be burning..?

    It all adds up..

    http://costofwar.com/en/
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Don't be such a wanker, I live in the fucking desert and it doesn't cost anywhere near that to air con a house. Once again the US taxpayer is being robbed blind.
    Off your meds again old Harry are you. the costs have little to do with the fuel used and more about the logistics and the massive troops and equipment needed to move it around an extremely hostile country, then their is the graft from local contractors and pay-offs to tribal leaders to allow transport to move unmolested through their land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    I live in the fucking desert and it doesn't cost anywhere near that to air con a house. **
    They are using the air con in tents with no insulation, and they are not just talking about the running costs as though you are flicking a switch and then paying an electricity bill either.
    Oh get real Noodles, you don't think it really costs $20Bn to air con the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan do you?

    Reminds me of the $1000 toilet seats and the $500 wrenches we used to hear about.

    They must be using fuel oil or kerosene to power the generators, how much do you think that costs per gallon by the time it's been shipped all the way out to the middle of nowhere, how many gallons an hour do you think they must be burning..?

    It all adds up..

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    hahaha yeah special breed of goat they've got

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    Just read an article recently that cost of transport , storage, support vehicles , etc bring the cost of fuel on the front line to something like 100 dollar per gallon. 20 billion may be too high but several 10's of millions , probably.

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    Several tens of millions is understandable, but a LONG way from 20 billion.

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    Well, even at 20 billion it's a bargain. If you are going to fight a war in a hot desolate shithole, you should always try to make yourself comforable....why not?... It's only money, and very easy to print....

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    "Support the Troops" !!!

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    I am reminded of the DEC after the 2004 tsunami. They were chartering aircraft, trucks, etc. to fly in rice and other basics and transport them down to Phuket.

    They could have bought a fleet of pickups and flown a few people down first class to buy it locally and drive it a few kilometres to the places it was needed, but could you tell them that?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbt71fa View Post
    Having been in Iraq three times and Afghanistan twice and sweated my ass off I can honestly speak for all soldiers out there you Harry and Albert can go shag their useless civilian selfs...the failed Obama care cost 800 times what air conditioning costs but you toads don't mention that?
    gbt71fa,

    If you're going to compare the $20 billion for airconditioning to the health care plan (that may be struck down as Unconstitutional b/c of the mandate) please be specific.

    The Iraqi and and Afghanistan military industrial complex campaign has wasted over $1 Trillion dollars +.

    You note civilans. First things needed is to fire most of those in the military and get them into the private sector.

    And the likely switch by the military to the 401K is long over due.
    ............

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