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Old 13-08-2011, 08:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mark Duggan's uncle was crime lord

Mark Duggan's uncle was crime lord: Man whose death sparked riots is linked to notorious gangland chiefs


The suspected gangster whose death sparked the nationwide riots was the nephew of a notorious crime boss who boasted his gang had ‘more guns than the police’.


It emerged yesterday that Mark Duggan’s uncle was the late Desmond ‘Dessie’ Noonan, whose feared family are ‘major players’ in Manchester’s underworld.


And in a further indication of Duggan’s gangland links, investigators said yesterday that at the time of his death he had a fully-loaded Italian-made handgun wrapped in a sock.






Notorious gangster Desmond Noonan (left) was the uncle of Mark Duggan, who was shot by police



Criminals often fire their weapons from inside a sock to avoid leaving forensic evidence and to catch cartridge cases.


Duggan is said to have regularly visited Noonan in Manchester before the crime boss was stabbed to death in 2005 at the age of 46 by a Jamaican enforcer working for the Yardie drug gangs.


The emerging picture of Duggan, 29, is at odds with his portrayal by friends and family as an innocent victim, quiet family man and respected member of the community.

He was shot dead by a police marksman in Tottenham, north London, nine days ago. He had been stopped by undercover officers as he travelled in a minicab and confronted because they believed he was on his way to ‘use the weapon’.


Rumours that he had been ‘executed’ fuelled the riots in the area last Saturday, which spawned copycat violence and looting across the country.


Yesterday the Independent Police Complaints Commission confirmed that Duggan’s weapon – a BBM ‘Bruni’ pistol containing live rounds – was hidden in a spare sock, not one he was wearing.
A man believed to be Domenyk Noonan lies face down on the ground in Manchester during the riots




A dossier on the case has been compiled by detectives from Operation Trident, which investigates gun crime within London’s black community. The files are said to outline Duggan’s suspected links to crime gangs, alleged drug dealing and his ties to the Noonan family. Noonan’s second wife Julie, 50, is the sister of Duggan’s mother Pamela.


Noonan, a 20st former nightclub bouncer who was one of 11 children whose names all begin with D, ran the family gang with three of his brothers – Domenyk, Damien and Derek.


He and Domenyk were interviewed for a television documentary in 2005 called Gangster. In it, Noonan suggested the family were untouchables, saying: ‘We have a lot of strong loyal people around us. We will always have that. If they think they can take one of us out, they are silly people. Very silly people.’


He also boasted: ‘I’ve got a bigger army than the police. We have more guns than the police.’

And at one stage during the Channel 5 documentary with journalist Donal MacIntyre, he hinted that he was responsible for 27 murders.




Flowers left at the spot in Tottenham where Mark Duggan was shot by police officers




Dublin-born Noonan dominated the Manchester underworld in the 1990s and made many appearances in court charged with violence.

In February 1991 he was implicated along with Derek and Damien in the murder of gangster ‘White Tony’ Johnson, 22.


Johnson, the leader of the rival Cheetham Hill Mob, had a gun placed in his mouth when he walked out of a pub and was shot.


The killing was thought to be part of a battle for control of the hard drugs market in Manchester.

Damien, who was killed in a motorbike accident while on holiday in 2003, was cleared of any involvement in the killing, and following a re-trial in February 1993, Noonan and Derek walked free after the jury was unable to reach a verdict.


Two years later Noonan was one of a group who left twin brothers battered and bleeding outside a nightclub. One witness described him as acting ‘like a psycho’.




He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two years and nine months in jail for violent disorder and causing grievous bodily harm.


Previously, in May 1988, he had been convicted of perverting the course of justice and wounding after threatening prosecution witnesses, who were police officers, and their relatives.


Noonan joked in the Gangster documentary that key witnesses in his trials failed to turn up ‘because they are in the back of a boot tied up and they don’t know what day it is’.


Noonan, who had become addicted to crack cocaine, was killed by drug dealer Derek ‘Yardie’ McDuffus before the documentary was broadcast.
Two days after Duggan died, the Tottenham riots erupted after his family spent five frustrating hours seeking a meeting and explanation from local police chiefs



Ironically, Duggan is said to have dealt crack and been involved with Yardie gangs.


It is understood that Duggan began visiting Noonan as a three-year-old. One of his primary school teachers recalled him a few years later as a boy who carried a knife and beat up other pupils.


Boyan Yordanov, 46, said Duggan was one of the most disruptive children he had ever taught.

‘He was often attacking other children in the playground – they were all afraid of him,’ he said.
‘Once he brought a knife into school. Luckily one of the teachers discovered he had it and nothing happened – but he had to be suspended.’


Known as ‘Starrish Mark’ in recent years, Duggan was an ‘elder’, a senior member, of the The Star Gang, who strut the streets of Tottenham where such gangs trade in violence, intimidation and drugs.



Friends say Duggan was planning to marry 29-year-old Semone Wilson, pictured, his partner of 12 years, and move away from Tottenham



The Star Gang is an off-shoot of Tottenham’s notorious ‘Man dem’ crew which has links with Jamaica’s drug-dealing Yardie gangsters.


But friends say Duggan was planning to marry 29-year-old Semone Wilson, his partner of 12 years, and move away from Tottenham to raise their two sons, aged ten and seven, and 18-month-old daughter.


In recent months Duggan, who liked to be photographed wearing chunky jewellery and holding his fingers as if they were a pistol, is said to have become obsessed with the death of his cousin Kelvin Easton, 23, another gang member, in a row over drugs and a woman.


Easton was stabbed through the heart with a broken champagne bottle at a nightclub in east London last March.


Duggan is said to have become ‘paranoid’ about his own safety and carried a gun for protection.



One source said he was planning to avenge the death.


This is believed to be one of the reasons that Trident officers had Duggan under surveillance and were trailing him nine days ago in unmarked cars. At about 6pm he sent a message to Miss Wilson on his BlackBerry saying ‘the Feds are following me’.

It was the last time anyone heard from him – 15 minutes later he was dead.



The IPCC said police fired two shots. One killed Duggan, the other lodged in the radio of another police officer.


Duggan’s gun, originally thought to have been a converted replica, had not been fired and was in the spare sock.


Two days after Duggan died, the Tottenham riots erupted after his family spent five frustrating hours seeking a meeting and explanation from local police chiefs.


Then this week, in one of the many twists to the case, Domenyk Noonan was arrested by Manchester police on suspicion of violent disorder during riots in the city centre.


Earlier, he had been filmed talking to a hoodie-wearing youth with a looted flat-screen television.

Greater Manchester Police confirmed that Domenyk, who has changed his name to Domenyk Lattlay Fottfoy and has a string of convictions, including assault, fraud and armed robbery, had been charged with handling stolen goods and possession of cannabis.


Hundreds of so-called ‘Noonan Boys’ – youngsters said to be allied to the crime family – were allegedly also among the city centre rioters and looters.


Rachel Cerfontyne, IPCC Commissioner, has pleaded for witnesses to come forward with information about Duggan’s death.


Her officers are trawling through CCTV footage and recordings of police radio transmissions in the search for evidence.

Read more: London riots: Mark Duggan's uncle Desmond 'Dessie' Noonan was a crime lord | Mail Online


 
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The IPCC said police fired two shots. One killed Duggan, the other lodged in the radio of another police officer. Duggan’s gun, originally thought to have been a converted replica, had not been fired and was in the spare sock.
So some dumb pig shot another pig in the radio and then executed the gangbanger who didn't even fire a shot, the UK police really shouldn't be allowed to have guns, they really should think about using the army for these sort of investigations and confrontations.
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when i was in thailand last, i saw a documentary on true TV about duggun's uncle and his crime gang which involved many of his family members. he pretty much admitted to murders - a real bad bunch. the uncle was/is a poof too i think.
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Greater Manchester Police confirmed that Domenyk, who has changed his name to Domenyk Lattlay Fottfoy and has a string of convictions, including assault, fraud and armed robbery, had been charged with handling stolen goods and possession of cannabis.
Look After Those That Look After You Fuck Off Those That Fuck Off You.

The blokes a legend in the North West. Gay guy that can do some damage. Tells a good story about a dog, a pub and a sword.
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Dominic - or sometimes Domenyk - Noonan is the first to say a name is important: if your name commands respect, it's half the battle. Especially in his trade, which is largely intimidation. Strange, then, that he should have chosen to change his name by deep poll, to LATTLAY FOTTFOY.
The acronym tells us a lot about Noonan: Look After Those That Look After You, F*** OFF Those That F*** Off You. It was a lesson he learned from his old man, and it's obvious he took it to heart. But it's not just the credo, it's also the audacity of the gesture that speaks volumes. There's real defiance and provocation wrapped up in it.
Noonan was one of 14 kids, Irish Catholics in Manchester. He remembers his mum set fire to the house to move up the social housing ladder, so perhaps he inherited a little something from her too.
He looks like a bulldog: big, broad chest, round, bald head, a suit and tie. You wouldn't mess with him. In one early story we hear that he brought a rival in line by presenting him with his dog's head in the pub. Very Corleone.
Reporter and now documentary filmmaker Donal MacIntyre tells us Noonan's spent 22 years - more than half his life - behind bars on charges of armed robbery and fraud. He was one of the instigators of the notorious Strangeways riot. He doesn't want to go back there, but as befits a man who calls himself Fottfoy, he's not averse to celebrating past misadventures on camera. Ask him about murder charges and he'll play cute, but he's otherwise quite frank about who he is and how he operates.
He's not ashamed and he's not afraid. In the streets of Meston he walks around like Brando in The Godfather, accepting tribute. We even makes house calls, sorting out bad loans and neighbourly disputes. He means to open a community police station, he says, offering protection and banking services. Might be more secure than Northern Rock.
Say what you like about Britain's most recognizable undercover reporter, but he's got balls. About half an hour in he even has the gumption to raise the delicate matter of Noonan's sexual orientation: "I've always thought there was a hint of lavender about you," he chances.
Noonan - whose gang is made up of young lads, some as young as 14 - doesn't demure. He was gang-raped at 13, he explains. Later he met one of them that did it and "tortured him proper".
MacIntyre's feature film draws heavily from an earlier TV show - one that aired four days after Dominic's brother Desmond was knifed in the street in 2005. Presumably that incident convinced him to there was more water in this well, and to beef it up to feature length.
It's undeniably a fascinating exposé of another side of British life, and the film hits some powerful emotions whenever it focuses on the younger members of the Noonan clan, who seem to be loved and neglected all at once.
There's something betwixt and between about MacIntyre's approach though. The film's journalistic credentials are compromised by flamboyant "cinematic" touches like big, obviously staged crane shots, and Sopranos' style jukebox commentary ("Wonderwall"), not to mention some troubling holes in the story.
I don't necessarily object to that, but he's not a good enough filmmaker yet to transcend reportage in the way that, for example, Werner Herzog or Errol Morris have. When it should be coming in to focus, instead the movie begins to sprawl into repetition and redundancy.
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Just couldn't get round to it.
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Just couldn't get round to it.
Like so many of em nowadays ,,,,,,, allways looking just incase a better deal turns up ,,,,,,,, true love ( not )
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^ so he says in the film
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Yesterday the Independent Police Complaints Commission confirmed that Duggan’s weapon – a BBM ‘Bruni’ pistol containing live rounds – was hidden in a spare sock, not one he was wearing
Eh? Bruni only make blank-firers and replicas. If it was carrying live rounds then it was probably adapted in a home workshop. He would have had more chance of blowing his hand off than shooting anybody if he fired that thing.
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Look After Those That Look After You Fuck Off Those That Fuck Off You.

The blokes a legend in the North West. Gay guy that can do some damage. Tells a good story about a dog, a pub and a sword.
You talk of him as someone to be admired when in fact he's a lowlife scumbag chav Criminal.
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Who spent the last 5 years of his life running away from the blacks...

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I bet 99.9% of Pattaya expats will all know him dead well...
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the uncle was/is a poof too i think.
"pupa" to confirm this later I think?
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This really is quite a story. Cities burning, cars burning, shops looted and destroyed; parliament recalled; NY Police chief called in to consult; all because a half-caste, unemployable, nephew of a fat, queer, Irish, Manchester gangbanger ends up getting wasted by the cops while riding in a mini-cab totin a fake Italian gun hidden in a sock...and the cops managed to shoot each other in the process.

John Cleese must be chomping at the bit on this one........
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Eh? Bruni only make blank-firers and replicas. If it was carrying live rounds then it was probably adapted in a home workshop.
yeah, it says it had been converted, not difficult to do
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Eh? Bruni only make blank-firers and replicas. If it was carrying live rounds then it was probably adapted in a home workshop. He would have had more chance of blowing his hand off than shooting anybody if he fired that thing.
I rather think you are again pontificating on matters of which you have little real knowledge.
The conversion of replicas into accurate, reliable and lethal weapons is an industry in Britain where gun control laws are quite draconian.

An engineer was sentenced to life in 2008 for the supply of these weapons which were distributed throughout the criminal classes and traced to many murders over an extensive period.

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Are you suggesting that he is a "bar stool Gangster" thegent?

Surely you don't get them in Thailand?
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The IPCC said police fired two shots. One killed Duggan, the other lodged in the radio of another police officer. Duggan’s gun, originally thought to have been a converted replica, had not been fired and was in the spare sock.
So some dumb pig shot another pig in the radio and then executed the gangbanger who didn't even fire a shot, the UK police really shouldn't be allowed to have guns, they really should think about using the army for these sort of investigations and confrontations.
Seems to me the police did a pretty good job, the scumbag was armed and clearly dangerous, he doesnt need to fire to be a threat.
The policeman fired, tap tap, one shot passes through his arm and lodges in a policemans radio, the other shot hits him in the chest and kills him.

Job well done.

If the armed response units in the UK make the occasional mistake its because they dont get the real time experiences, i suggest.
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UK riots: suspected Manchester gangster Dominic Noonan arrested
Manchester's most notorious suspected gang boss, Dominic Noonan, has been arrested after being seen allegedly helping to orchestrate the wave of violence and looting that swept the city on Tuesday night.




Dominic Noonan (left) during the riots in Manchester.
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Noonan, 45, was detained yesterday morning on suspicion of disorder after footage emerged of him apparently speaking to a gang of looters during the riots.

Witnesses told The Daily Telegraph that the alleged gang boss stood on the corner of King Street speaking on his mobile telephone throughout the trouble, flanked by two teenage boys dressed in black suits.

Amateur footage emerged yesterday showing him dressed smartly in a dark suit, addressing a group of looters who were carrying a plasma screen TV. The young men smile in response and appear at ease in his company.

Noonan's teenage companions were seen sending out text messages throughout the disturbances, witnesses said.

Peter Fahy, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, said yesterday that he believes the looting was "organised and orchestrated".


One witness said: "They were all wearing suits, which meant they stuck out like a sore thumb from the looters in hoodies baseball caps.

"The young boys spent the whole time texting.

"Noonan was talking seriously into his mobile phone and occasionally stopping to speak to the looters."

The violence in Manchester erupted at around 5pm on Tuesday evening, with groups of youths driving around the city targeting mobile phone shops, electrical stores, designer fashion outlets and jewelers in what appeared to be coordinated manoeuvres.
 
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