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    Pitbull kills pregnant woman

    Pregnant woman killed by one of her pitbulls

    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A pregnant San Francisco area woman was killed by one of her pit bulls,
    her mauled body found by her husband, police said on Friday.

    The 32-year-old woman was pronounced dead on Thursday afternoon at the couple's home in the
    seaside village of Pacifica, south of San Francisco, Pacifica Police Capt. Dave Bertini said. Authorities
    withheld the names of the victim and her husband.Bertini said the woman's husband told police he
    came home from work at around noon on Thursday to find one of the couple's pit bulls standing,
    bloodied, over his wife's mauled body.

    First responders to the scene found the woman unresponsive in a front room of the home with
    massive trauma to her upper body, Bertini said.A second pit bull was found cowering in the corner.
    Bertini said the man told authorities that the attacking dog, a two-year-old male named Gunner,
    was confined in a back room. But when the dog managed to escape and enter the front yard,
    officers shot it three times, Bertini said. Both pets were taken to Peninsula Humane Society,
    which performs animal control services for San Mateo County under contract.

    The society's spokesperson Scott Delucchi said a necropsy scheduled for Friday would seek to
    retrieve the bullets as well as examine stomach contents and tissue samples to establish whether
    the dog was correctly implicated in the attack. Tissue samples will be taken from the second dog
    to determine if it could be returned to the victim's husband.

    "This person has lost everything; this dog is all he has left," Delucchi said. "Right now we are
    assuming that one dog was involved and one was not. We investigate hundreds of dog attacks
    every year but I've never seen anything like this in 13 years," Delucchi said.

    I just figured I'd post this because this is so rare and can you believe that a pitbull did this! I'm shocked!


    There are several things we can take from this:

    This breed (and a few others) is unpredictable
    The owners of this breed generally tend to be abusive people.
    The owners of this breed generally are stupid people.
    Both the dog and the owner are generally aggressive



    Most people won't read this story because it happens every fucking week nowadays. The good thing about this is if it is the owners who are abusive we are losing them on a regular basis.

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    Pitbulls have always been the dog of choice for people who would otherwise never own a dog. They're great for guarding meth labs; drug dens; etc. Also great for tearing each other to bits for brothas to bet on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart
    Pitbulls have always been the dog of choice for people who would otherwise never own a dog. They're great for guarding meth labs; drug dens; etc. Also great for tearing each other to bits for brothas to bet on.
    I respect all breeds of dogs but would never own a dog that has been breed for fighting, especially with children around.

    These dogs should be running free on the plains of Africa in the wild where they belong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kmart
    Pitbulls have always been the dog of choice for people who would otherwise never own a dog. They're great for guarding meth labs; drug dens; etc. Also great for tearing each other to bits for brothas to bet on.
    I respect all breeds of dogs but would never own a dog that has been breed for fighting, especially with children around.

    These dogs should be running free on the plains of Africa in the wild where they belong.
    pitbulls and bull terriers are great with kids. (not great with other dogs, though!)it's not the breed but the owners that are at fault.
    ANY dog can become agressive and vicious if treated incorrectly or trained for agression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampsha
    I just figured I'd post this because this is so rare and can you believe that a pitbull did this! I'm shocked!
    Are you 'for real?' There are countless incidents involving pitbull attacks...some fatal...this isn't news anymore...unfortunately...

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    ^ Read his last paragraph, he was being sarcastic

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    pitbulls and bull terriers are great with kids.
    I'm sure most are mate but I would never take a chance even if I had the dog from a small puppy.

    I had to get rid of an aggressive golden retriever that kept on biting people and they must be (normally) the best family friendly dog on the planet.

    These other dogs are breed to kill and they are good at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii
    Read his last paragraph, he was being sarcastic
    Got it, SS...

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    ^ I had to read it twice

    All these pit bulls should have been wiped out by now, weren't they banned in the US as well as the UK ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    pitbulls and bull terriers are great with kids.
    can,t say i agree with this statement mate..i,m a dog person, i,m 51 and i worked it out i,ve had 38 years of dog ownership, my dogs are melded and trained into the family unit, to protect and be loved, i always ensure my daughter was with me when we had to let go our mates, death is part of owning a dog..in saying all that, one of me favourites was old GERTRUDE, the nastiest piece of bully cross you would come across, had that dog 17 years and 3 months, i coud have bought a bloody new car with fines i paid for that bloody dog biteing people..stupid people, but that is another story, even though this bully cross was very protective, she loved kids and all her new her were quite comfortable in the fact that the kids were safe from preditors whilst in her company, be it 2 legged or bloody snakes..on the other hand , i tried my hand at a pitbull, i tried for 2 years with that dog..i,m beg to differ the nature of the breed is far too aggressive for my comfort around kids, as an adult i would be worried..i gave the dog to a mate, he eventually put her down to..sad that..
    anyway i agree, generally its the dog owner and their lack of understanding the dogs nature..pitbulls are whole different world, my dog at the moment in ozzie comes in at 56 kg. bull arab cross brindle bitch, i have a 2 year old grand daughter, and like my daughter, these 2 are inseparable, , RORY can dam near ride that dog, and for MISS GYPSY, the little people is an endless supply of yummy dog licks and play mate..

    sad post though as the sheila was haveing a baby too..
    RIGGER IS JUST JEALOUS OF MY HANSUMNESS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    pitbulls and bull terriers are great with kids.
    I'm sure most are mate but I would never take a chance even if I had the dog from a small puppy.

    I had to get rid of an aggressive golden retriever that kept on biting people and they must be (normally) the best family friendly dog on the planet.

    These other dogs are breed to kill and they are good at it.
    Agreed...i have had staffs for most of my life and you want get any better dogs with kids..did have a Pitbull here in Thailand couldn't do nothing with him fcking killing machine if he seen any other dog he would want to fight it ..some blame the owner and not the dog..i did not bring this pitbull up any different than all my other dogs..think they all have a nasty streak in them and when some one pulls there trigger you can look out..!!!
    I started of in life with fcuk all, and I still got most of it left !!

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    Any dog has the potential to be nasty, if its been abused,

    pit bulls are naturally vicious, with something sinister inside

    I agree about staffordshire and english bull terriers being good with kids, but I wouldnt go out and buy one if I had a baby in the house, and vice versa, they can get jealous of the baby getting all the attention

    When you overbreed and interbreed something too much they go nuts, just look at Welsh people

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii
    they can get jealous of the baby getting all the attention
    My female pug even gets all "Itchar" when my wife dots on my young daughter.

    Not that she could bite anyone, probably have a heart attack doing so but she does get jealous and makes everyone aware of the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    pitbulls and bull terriers are great with kids. (not great with other dogs, though!)it's not the breed but the owners that are at fault. ANY dog can become agressive and vicious if treated incorrectly or trained for agression.
    I don't think all pitbulls are bad dogs, but you can't argue with the vicious attack and death rate associated with the breed.

    These are stats taken over a 17 year period- the numbers represent five columns, Column 1 is Breed Attacks doing Bodily Harm, #2 is Child Victims, #3 is Adult Victims, #4 is Deaths and #5 is Maimings (these are the serious attacks that required hospitalization and police reports- there will of course have been many unreported bites and attacks, and it's possible that some smaller breeds actually bite more often but cause less harm).

    Akita 48 32 14 1 39
    Akita mix (non-specific) 1 1 0 0 1
    Akita/Chow mix 3 3 0 0 3
    Akita/Lab mix 1 1 0 0 1
    Akita/terrier mix 2 1 0 0 1
    Airedale/boxer 1 1 0 1 0 #
    Airedale 1 1 0 1 0
    Australian blue heeler 3 1 1 0 2
    Australian cattle dog 1 1 0 0 1
    Australian shepherd 6 4 0 0 1
    Basset/GSD mix 1 1 0 1 0
    Beagle 2 2 0 1 1 #
    Belgian shepherd 4 1 3 0 1
    Blue heeler 2 0 1 0 1
    Border collie 1 0 1 1 1 #
    Briard 2 0 1 1 0
    Brittany spaniel 4 1 0 0 1
    Bulldog (American 4 0 3 2 2
    Bulldog (English) 16 8 3 1 9
    Bull mastiff (Presa Canario) 30 10 13 6 16
    Bull mastiff/German shepherd 2 1 0 1 0
    Buff mastiff/Rottweiler 1 1 0 0 1
    Boxer 31 6 12 2 12 #
    Boxer mix 1 1 0 1 0
    Cane Corso 4 1 2 1 3
    Catahoula 3 0 1 0 1
    Chow 49 34 12 6 32
    Chow/husky mix 2 2 0 1 1
    Chow/Labrador mix 4 4 0 0 3
    Chox mix (other) 2 2 0 0 2
    Cocker spaniel 1 1 0 0 1
    Collie 3 3 0 0 3
    Collie/retriever mix 1 1 0 0 1
    Coonhound 1 1 0 0 0
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    Dalmatian 3 3 0 0 3
    Dalmatian/Akita mix 1 1 0 0 1
    Dauschund 2 1 1 1 2 #
    Doberman 11 7 4 3 7 #
    Doge de Bordeaux 2 1 0 0 1
    East Highland terrier 1 0 1 1 0 #
    Fila Brasiero 1 1 0 0 1
    German shepherd 63 42 17 7 38
    German shepherd mix 31 21 7 6 19 #
    German shepherd/husky mix 4 3 1 1 2
    Golden retriever 6 6 0 1 4 #
    Great Dane 24 5 4 2 9
    Great Pyranees 1 0 1 1 0
    Greyhound 1 1 0 0 1
    Husky 39 23 4 13 8
    Husky/Malamute mix 2 2 0 0 2
    Husky/Labrador mix 1 0 1 0 1
    Jack Russell terrier 2 1 1 1 0 #
    Labrador 26 18 9 2 20 #
    Labrador mix 10 9 1 0 9 #
    Labrador/boxer mix 1 0 1 0 0
    Lab-Doberman 1 1 0 0 1
    Lab-St. Bernard 1 1 0 0 1
    Malamute 8 7 1 3 3
    Mastiff 16 11 4 4 9
    Norwegian elkhound 1 0 1 0 1 #
    Pit bull terrier 1110 495 397 104 608 #
    Pit bull boxer mix 5 1 2 0 2
    Pit bull/chow mix 5 2 3 1 3
    Pit bull/Doberman/GSD/Lab 2 2 0 0 2
    Pit bull/GSD mix 1 1 0 0 1
    Pit bull/Lab mix 15 10 4 3 8 #
    Pit bull/Rott. mix 39 7 3 2 8
    Pit bull/Sheltie mix 1 1 0 0 1
    Pit bull/Weimaraner mix 1 0 1 0 1
    Pit mix unknown 3 2 0 0 2
    Pointer mix 1 0 1 0 0 #
    Pomeranian 1 1 0 1 0
    Poodle 2 1 1 0 2 #
    Pug 1 1 0 0 1
    Pug/Rottweiler mix 2 1 0 1 0
    Queensland heeler 3 0 1 0 1
    Rottweiler 409 231 109 58 223 #
    Rottweiler/chow mix 1 1 0 0 1
    Rottweiler/GSD mix 13 7 5 2 10
    Rottweiler/Labrador 7 6 1 0 7
    Russian terrier 1 0 1 0 1
    Saint Bernard 6 3 0 1 1
    Sharpei 4 4 0 0 4
    Sharpei/Rottweiler 2 1 0 0 1
    Sharpei/unknown mix 1 1 0 0 1
    Sharpei/Labrador 1 1 0 0 1
    Springer spaniel 3 4 0 0 4
    Tosa 1 1 0 0 1
    Weimaraner 1 1 0 0 1
    Wheaten terrier 2 1 0 0 1
    Wolf hybrid 71 65 3 18 43 #
    There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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    There is an American program, "the dog whisperer" that should be compulsory viewing for dog owners. Despite its some what "over" classic american style, it is pretty much spot on. In almost every single case, it is the owner whose behaviour is leading to the dogs misbehaviour. One of the take home messages is that dogs should NEVER be dominant in a household - and this especially concerns kids. Even kids need to be seen by the dog as a "pack leader".

    To many people "humanize" their dogs. They are not 'small human", but animals that largely go by instinct. In any "pack" -and this means in any setting such as a family - there must be a leader (or leaders) and if there are not - watch out - because the dog WILL take that role.

    If your dog is constantly biting people, it means that the dog does not see you as the leader, and as you are not providing protection for the pack - it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welshtaffia View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    pitbulls and bull terriers are great with kids.
    I'm sure most are mate but I would never take a chance even if I had the dog from a small puppy.

    I had to get rid of an aggressive golden retriever that kept on biting people and they must be (normally) the best family friendly dog on the planet.

    These other dogs are breed to kill and they are good at it.
    Agreed...i have had staffs for most of my life and you want get any better dogs with kids..did have a Pitbull here in Thailand couldn't do nothing with him fcking killing machine if he seen any other dog he would want to fight it ..some blame the owner and not the dog..i did not bring this pitbull up any different than all my other dogs..think they all have a nasty streak in them and when some one pulls there trigger you can look out..!!!
    My parents have had a couple of English Bulls, and more friendly (with humans) dog you couldn't wish for.
    Problem with Pitbulls seems to be that there is no pedigree requirement (?), and they are a dog that just seems to appeal to the criminal type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampsha
    There are several things we can take from this:

    This breed (and a few others) is unpredictable
    The owners of this breed generally tend to be abusive people.
    The owners of this breed generally are stupid people.
    Both the dog and the owner are generally aggressive
    My brothers beloved American bull terrier, Boxhead[*], was humanely put down last week. Cancer. A desexed female, Boxhead would not harm a hair on your head. It was sad news for the sabang family, we loved that dog.
    * real name Kelly, but everyone called her Boxhead- she had a head like a box, innit?

    It is understandable when you hear about an incident of this nature to blame the breed- although it is closer to the mark to blame the owner. Look further however, and you will find the aggressive pitbulls are male, and generally not desexed. And they are brought up to be aggressive by the sort of scumbags you describe.
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    Theres a big diiference between pitbull terriers and other bull terriers IMO

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    The Amerkin bull terrier aka pitbull is merely a cross between the English and Staffordshire bull terrier.
    The term 'pitbull' came about because of dogfighting of course. Genetically, pitbulls bred with this in mind may differ some from the traditional breed, but not much.

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    Fact is that something can trigger these normally placid family dogs and the result is more often then not horrible.

    As pointed out by another member maybe the smell coming from the poor pregnant deceased lady may have been the trigger, jealousy with regard to a new family member or just the dog following it's inbred instincts to attack and kill can mean death for some.

    I would never leave my children alone with a pitbull terrier no matter how placid and loving the owner claims the dog is.

    And I feel the owner is always watching his /her if they are even remotely aware of the dog's breed history.

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    Basically, because of the nefarious uses so many are put to, I think that Pitbulls should only be sold desexed- unless you gain a breeding license, which would also involve proof of good character. Of course, in a country where the government can not agree on anything, and people have the right to own unlicensed and untraceable armouries, this may be impossible to implement. You would definitely see the amount of incidents come down though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    If your dog is constantly biting people, it means that the dog does not see you as the leader, and as you are not providing protection for the pack - it does.
    If your dog is constantly biting people, and it is not a guard dog doing its job, then put the fucker down.

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    It amazes me how some people can put so much trust in a dog that has a history of attacking sometimes killing people out of the blue.

    I'm sure the deceased lady's husband is just as shocked but has unfortuantely learned the ultimate lesson too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    .......dogs should NEVER be dominant in a household - and this especially concerns kids. Even kids need to be seen by the dog as a "pack leader".

    To many people "humanize" their dogs. They are not 'small human", but animals that largely go by instinct. In any "pack" -and this means in any setting such as a family - there must be a leader (or leaders) and if there are not - watch out - because the dog WILL take that role.
    .
    very true especially in the case of strong willed dogs like bull terriers and pitbulls.
    they need a strong hand or they will take over.
    i have owned bull terriers all my life. my friends think that they are stupid, simply because they will not readily respond to commands-
    truth is they can actually work out if you are serious or not, and will try their luck unless they are properly controlled.

    worst dog i ever owned was a spaniel... now that thing was really stupid, but was very protective of me.
    i had to get rid of her because she would go for the kids if they came near me.
    difference is that if she had attacked anybody, the damage would probably have been minimal, whereas a bull terrier or pitbull can easily kill if it sets it's mind to it.

    still, i can't argue with the statistics previously posted.
    looked for bull terriers and staffies in there, but they seem to have been left out.

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