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    71% of Britons think there are too many immigrants.

    I doubt our scum sucking, bottom feeding politicians will take much notice, but they fucking well should.

    Too Many Immigrants?
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    Seven in ten (71%) Britons say there are too many immigrants in the country and just a quarter (27%) believe immigration is good for the economy according to new research from Ipsos MORI.

    The latest Global [at]dvisor survey conducted in 23 countries shows that only Russians are more likely than Britons to agree that there are too many immigrants in their country (77% do so). Other countries with similarly high levels of agreement are Belgium (72%), Italy (67%), Spain (67%) and South Africa (66%). The Japanese are the happiest with their current level of immigration – just 15% think there are too many immigrants.

    Immigration has raised also raised other concerns – three quarters (76%) of Britons agree that immigration has placed too much pressure on public services while three in five (62%) agree that immigration has made it more difficult for British people to get jobs. Concern about the stress placed on public services by immigration is higher in Britain than any of the other countries included in this survey.

    Immigration is most positively seen in Brazil where half (49%) agree that immigrants make their country a more interesting place to live and a similar number (47%) believe immigration is good for the economy of Brazil. Around three in ten Britons say the same (33% and 27%) respectively.

    A spokesman for Ipsos MORI said:

    “Clearly people in Britain are concerned how immigration is affecting their employment opportunities; the strain on public services; and impact on a sluggish economy. These concerns are also reflected in many countries around the world.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I doubt our scum sucking, bottom feeding politicians will take much notice, but they fucking well should.

    Too Many Immigrants?
    Ipsos Global [at]dvisor Wave 22


    Seven in ten (71%) Britons say there are too many immigrants in the country and just a quarter (27%) believe immigration is good for the economy according to new research from Ipsos MORI.

    The latest Global [at]dvisor survey conducted in 23 countries shows that only Russians are more likely than Britons to agree that there are too many immigrants in their country (77% do so). Other countries with similarly high levels of agreement are Belgium (72%), Italy (67%), Spain (67%) and South Africa (66%). The Japanese are the happiest with their current level of immigration – just 15% think there are too many immigrants.

    Immigration has raised also raised other concerns – three quarters (76%) of Britons agree that immigration has placed too much pressure on public services while three in five (62%) agree that immigration has made it more difficult for British people to get jobs. Concern about the stress placed on public services by immigration is higher in Britain than any of the other countries included in this survey.

    Immigration is most positively seen in Brazil where half (49%) agree that immigrants make their country a more interesting place to live and a similar number (47%) believe immigration is good for the economy of Brazil. Around three in ten Britons say the same (33% and 27%) respectively.

    A spokesman for Ipsos MORI said:

    “Clearly people in Britain are concerned how immigration is affecting their employment opportunities; the strain on public services; and impact on a sluggish economy. These concerns are also reflected in many countries around the world.”
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    Yeah, seems like the people could vote the bastards out. We have same problem with the illegal Mexicans. I think about 20 million now. It would take a heavy handed approach to get them all out.

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    Question - are there too many immigrants in Britain? 17% said yes; 11% said No; 72% said "I am not understanding the question please."

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    The powers that control us, sure did a great job at mind control
    any talk about anti -immigration and you are shot down as a racist,
    thing is in Britain one of the biggest groups are blond haired blue eyed Polish and other Eastern Europeans- preferable to the millions of Pakistanis , Somalians Africams etc---but still most are just here for the money and are pure scum.
    Which make Britain a unpleasant divided place to live

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    I wonder if the Thais think the same about us farang?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    I wonder if the Thais think the same about us farang?
    Something like this comment was to be expected, I suppose.

    There is no comparison between Thailand expats and immigrants in western countries. The situation is totally different.

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    You're probably right. We're 'guests' not immigrants. Boy how I hate the word 'guest' !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    71% of Britons think there are too many immigrants.
    Racist thread that will be ignored by anybody in power to be able to do something about this.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    You're probably right. We're 'guests' not immigrants. Boy how I hate the word 'guest' !!
    Also, we've had an education and they're a bunch of brain dead monkeys.

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    How about Nepalese Gurkhas - they've been in the British army (which precious few British kids have done), should they be allowed to settle in the UK with their dependents?

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    When I used to drive a cab I found that people very often use you as a sounding board, and almost uniformly peoples overwhelming gripe in the UK was the number of immigrants draining the life out of the country..

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog View Post
    How about Nepalese Gurkhas - they've been in the British army (which precious few British kids have done), should they be allowed to settle in the UK with their dependents?
    That's a tough call. Before Joanne Lumley they knew that they were basically 'mercenaries'. Now they're educated and use that to their advantage. Personally I say 'no' they knew the conditions on enlisting and now they want more. A typical reaction.
    They should be grateful that we educated them and gave them a good living for the time they spent serving.
    Indians served in the British military and now look at the consequences.
    Death is natures way of telling you to slow down.

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    The biggest problem is people not working,i have no problem with immigrants or UK nationals as long as they are contributing.

    The other stupid thing are tax credits far to many people abuse this,i knew people who would work short shifts to clam entitlement to tax credits.
    Once they got their yearly tax credits,back to a 72 hour week.
    I think what is really pissing people off is to many generous state hand outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrapmetalband
    We have same problem with the illegal Mexicans. I think about 20 million now. It would take a heavy handed approach to get them all out.
    But who would do all the work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scrapmetalband
    We have same problem with the illegal Mexicans. I think about 20 million now. It would take a heavy handed approach to get them all out.
    But who would do all the work?
    Canadians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scrapmetalband
    We have same problem with the illegal Mexicans. I think about 20 million now. It would take a heavy handed approach to get them all out.
    But who would do all the work?
    Canadians?
    It used to be that Mexican migrant workers came and worked the fields, mainly in California, this has changed dramatically, Illegal aliens, mainly Mexicans, can be found in every facet of the construction trades, illegals own homes, businesses, having anchor babies, which are automatically U.S. citizens. The fact is this, they are in our country illegally, period, no debate. The question is, what can be done? A Lot. The problem is that the will is not there in Washington. Some States are taking matters into there own hands. Arizona is good example. Americans are among the hardest working people on the planet. Always have been. We take pride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey View Post
    I think what is really pissing people off is to many generous state hand outs.
    You're right, people aren't so blindly biggoted that they hate people for having different coloured skin or different beliefs, they're sick of the concessions they get, the preferential treatment and benefits they get while the indiginous folk get overlooked and sidelined.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey View Post
    I think what is really pissing people off is to many generous state hand outs.
    You're right, people aren't so blindly biggoted that they hate people for having different coloured skin or different beliefs, they're sick of the concessions they get, the preferential treatment and benefits they get while the indiginous folk get overlooked and sidelined.

    Cheers
    That about sums it up, plus the BS that eastern euro folk and others will work for a lower salary, but only when the state is giving them all the support they can with rent etc.

    Net gain to employers, net loss to taxpayers.

    Plue the number of 'elsewhere' immigrants that settle in Germany, France, Holland, Denmark and the like, get their citizenship, then head to the UK for all the goodies here, hence they are euro citizens, many without English language skills or a job, that are otherwise requirements to get into the UK.

    The next politician that crosses the threshold to my lair is gonna get pummeled, even better if he/she reads the Guardian!

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    Mass economic migration is here to stay folks so get used to it , like it or not your traditional home cultures that you held so dear are on the way out to be replaced with alien intolerant beliefs and bigoted religions.
    Ain't progress a bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    I wonder if the Thais think the same about us farang?
    nice try, lefty

    They got too many Chinks, Karens, Malays, and Khmers to worry about... at least we put something into their economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    71% of Britons think there are too many immigrants.
    Racist thread that will be ignored by anybody in power to be able to do something about this.......
    I didn't realise you had illuminati forum members :S

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog View Post
    How about Nepalese Gurkhas - they've been in the British army (which precious few British kids have done), should they be allowed to settle in the UK with their dependents?
    No. For the same sort of reason Firemen don't get a pay rise.

    It's a work contract, they get free training, great pay, living conditions, and a great job and a great pension that's transferable to their dependants for life, and one of the best deals going for a Nepali citizen. Asking for citizenship on top of that is taking the piss. They are already well rewarded for their services, relatively far more than any non-Nepalese in the British military. You know how many Nepalese queue up to try to get in to the Gurkhas? The UK takes their absolute best - arguably exploiting a developing country by taking it's best young men.

    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey View Post
    The biggest problem is people not working,i have no problem with immigrants or UK nationals as long as they are contributing.

    The other stupid thing are tax credits far to many people abuse this,i knew people who would work short shifts to clam entitlement to tax credits.
    Once they got their yearly tax credits,back to a 72 hour week.
    I think what is really pissing people off is to many generous state hand outs.
    [soapbox]No, the biggest problem is that a welfare state that was set up 60-ish years ago to provide a safety net for hard-working people who would usually drop dead at about 70, has gradually evolved into an unsustainable socialist behemoth that distorts every market, and has trained huge proportions of three successive generations of the indigenous population to opt out of work - particularly in the blackspots left after the unions trashed British industry in the 60s and 70s, and forced Thatcher to amputate the gangrinous remnants to try and stimulate a return to the entrepreneurship and diligence that existed before the welfare state existed.
    The solution, by enlightened left-wing student politicians who gradually took over the establishment since the early 80s has been to solve this problem by injecting immigrants in to pay for this system, because they cannot countenance the thought of suggesting that people should get off their arses and take responsibility for their own lives, no, they must be shephereded in both mind and deed by benign overseers.
    So instead of radically slashing back and rethinking the whole concept of "welfare" and removing the option for people to "not work", we have a situation where millions of unwanted immigrants are pumped into an already dysfuncitional society, making the problem worse, not better; and then we had to listen to the big lie of "immigrants do the jobs that British people don't want to" - utter bollocks, the British people in question don't have to work, because the immigrants will work for less and pay the tax that supports the indolence of the indigenous.
    The socialists refuse to change this, because this endemic "rights" culture, is the basis of their electoral success - all their votes come from the most deprived parts of the country, and the parts most dependent on public sector jobs - in effect, all these people are clients of the state, effectively bribed and encultured by socialists to vote only for them, and envy those who work to have more.
    This, my fellow Britishers, is the fucking problem[/soapbox]

    I have every problem with immigrants being in the UK, because:
    a. they are perpetuating this negative system, which you can see the results of if you ever care to travel around some northern, southern, midland, eastern, scottish, welsh, and norhern irish shitholes; and,
    b. because they are effectively ethnically cleansing the country, and usurping the ethnic identity of the ethnic groups of europe; i.e.: first they want to be called British, fine, we'll adopt our ethnic nomenclature of English and whatever Celtic; then they want to be called English and whatever Celtic, and what is left for the indigenous people to be called? their identity has been stolen! every immigrant has a ethnic group, but Europeans have been forbidden - something the left has been working hard on for years, to try and subvert ethnic statehood with American-style civic statehood, but these are old countries with ethnic identities, just like tribes in Asia, Africa, or South America, so this, in fact, is what they would call "racism" (i.e. unfairness).

    Tax Credits are actually a fairly decent idea, as long as they completely replace handout benefits.
    The good thing about them is that they get people out working, and allow for flexibility that allows for children to be managed effectively, instead of being abandoned to roam the streets like growling packs of Thai dogs in some Isan backwater. There's a lot of part-time work out there that doesn't get taken because the work doesn't pay compared to benefits... as soon as you swap the hand out for the work-triggered payment, you've changed the culture, and the mindset inside the mysterious inner-workings of the prole.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1F2i0rYMj8

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    I was going to post an eloquent (albeit drunken) anti-immigration rant as I really do detest all these Johnny Foreigners coming here and taking our jobs, but:

    71% of Britons think there are too many immigrants, and 29% of britons are personally profiting from immigrants in some way, shape or form so don't give a shit if it negatively affects the country or not. Hey, don't complain, that's capitalism for ya!

    Take for example my industry, construction. Companies no longer want to hire and train young British apprentices as it is more cost effective to just hire fully skilled foreign labour. And, contrary to popular (ignorant) belief, the foreign workers don't work for less, they just work for longer and harder than British people. Actually earning more.

    Its hard to complain about an immigrant taking a job a native could do if the immigrant can perform the job more efficiently. People who moan the loudest about foreigners "Coming here, taking our jobs" are unskilled scum who are unemployable and leech off the state anyway. Fuck off to a shithole communist country if you can't compete on level terms in a cut-throat capitalist society losers, and see how you fare. Viddy well, brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    I wonder if the Thais think the same about us farang?
    nice try, lefty
    I am in no way a lefty, and have never been. My question was straight forward with no political leaning.

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    71% Britons say there are too many immigrants in the country ?
    Who were the other 29%......immigrants ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khmen View Post
    I was going to post an eloquent (albeit drunken) anti-immigration rant as I really do detest all these Johnny Foreigners coming here and taking our jobs, but:

    71% of Britons think there are too many immigrants, and 29% of britons are personally profiting from immigrants in some way, shape or form so don't give a shit if it negatively affects the country or not. Hey, don't complain, that's capitalism for ya!

    Take for example my industry, construction. Companies no longer want to hire and train young British apprentices as it is more cost effective to just hire fully skilled foreign labour. And, contrary to popular (ignorant) belief, the foreign workers don't work for less, they just work for longer and harder than British people. Actually earning more.

    Its hard to complain about an immigrant taking a job a native could do if the immigrant can perform the job more efficiently. People who moan the loudest about foreigners "Coming here, taking our jobs" are unskilled scum who are unemployable and leech off the state anyway. Fuck off to a shithole communist country if you can't compete on level terms in a cut-throat capitalist society losers, and see how you fare. Viddy well, brothers.


    The UK already is a "shithole communist country", where you can't say what you think without being arrested; with CCTV everywhere; where people leech off the state because that is what they are trained to do - they believe it is their right to be suckled from the tit of the state.

    They were not born "scum" they became so because of the hopeless education system that trains people to do nothing of use, and no-skill or lo-skill jobs that you or I would have had no trouble getting as teenagers, are snatched up by the murrain of legal and illegal aliens that have entered since the mid-90s

    It's easy to complain about an immigrant taking a job a native could do if the native was not invested in to learn how to do the job efficiently: what the hell is a government for anyway? Is it for improving the lives of it's own people? Or improving the lives of foreigners?

    In many cases, they do work for less either directly or effectively; and they do what they can to undermine the rights fought for since the 19th century. Either they do it here, or the industry is outcompeted on lower wages and inferior (or sometimes just less) regulation, in the developing world

    For a start, Britain is not a proper capitalist country, the whole reason we're in this pit of shit is due to the size of the state - effective "communism" by your own terms (i.e. non-capitalist), where public money is dished out to building firms to build Mandela centres to welcome the invading hordes.

    Yes I suppose you could say that the mass import of labour by the Labour party is a twisted form of capitalism: globalisation; where the concept of the ethnic identity is undermined by exploiting (the wage differential and lower rights expectations of) the citizens of poorer, more corrupt, countries in order to fund an obese public sector that distorts markets by funding large projects in the building and IT industries; and maintaining a rump of the "lower classes" socially, educationally and economically excluded for successive generations.
    Yes, that is "letting the market decide" isn't it?

    If that's your idea of capitalism, then you're on the wrong continent, you might want to look at setting up a pyramid scam in China, seeing as though you have some experience of building.

    ...and let's talk about building, when there was all the hullabaloo about plumbers earning salaries higher than those with degrees due to the massive shortage. I have first hand experience of the massive numbers of local people queuing for an exam to get on a plumbing apprentice/training course that was heavily oversubscribed.
    Instead of investing in the native people and expanding the training or giving tax breaks to firms to take more trainees on, the government then decided to let in "a few thousand" Polish, and in short order that became well over a million in total (obviously across sectors, but the point remains), and a lot of British people prepared to get off their arses and work, were completely betrayed and let down, by of all people, the Labour party... the progeny of the Jarrow marchers, no less.

    That's the real horror show, my little droog.


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    I wonder if the Thais think the same about us farang?
    nice try, lefty
    I am in no way a lefty, and have never been. My question was straight forward with no political leaning.
    Alright, it was just a little dig, because it's the kind of thing a lefty says to try and undermine their opponents, by suggesting that the sort of people who want immigrants out, are hypocrites because they spend a lot of time in other countries.

    One of the unmentioned yet quite significant aspects is that it's mainly one-way traffic, we don't see hundreds of thousands of europeans swarming into Pakistan, Nigeria, and China to try and become citizens of those countries, never mind create their own enclaves within them.

    There is no parity between being an expat and being an immigrant, because by definition the former is acknowledging that they are a foreigner and not trying to co-opt the identity of their chosen playground; in complete contrast to the latter.

    You'll notice that the recent riots in Tottenham, there are no indigenous faces: a picture paints a thousands words.
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