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    Rape defence cites 'Cultural factors'

    Rape defence cites 'Cultural factors'

    Posted by: 3AW Radio | 22 July, 2011 - 11:18 AM
    Scroll down and listen to a fired-up Neil Mitchell below. Neil says that the same laws should apply to everybody, no matter what cultural background
    CULTURAL factors have been used to defend a man who sexually abused a primary school girl for three years until she became pregnant.
    The girl, 11, was in grade 6 when she gave birth to a boy last year via caesarean section when she was six months pregnant. She is believed to be one of the youngest people to give birth in Victoria.
    She said in a victim impact statement her abuser, whom she called ''uncle'' because of his closeness to her family, had ''wrecked'' her life and she no longer had any friends.
    The man, 30, who can be identified only by his first name, Douangta, and his victim belong to an ethnic minority that cannot be identified, to protect the girl's identity.
    Defence counsel Simon Moglia said Douangta had spent much of his early life in a refugee camp and retained many of his early cultural influences. In his native culture, men had been known to take child brides.
    Mr Moglia said his client's intention was ''to have a relationship. There's no avoiding it.''
    Douangta told the Department of Human Services after he was arrested that he ''fell in love with her and wanted to protect her as a husband''.
    The girl, now 12, said in her statement: ''I don't know how to have a baby. I'm just a little girl and I was not meant to do this stuff. I trusted my uncle. Why did he do this to me?''
    The girl said she was ''shocked and scared'' on realising she was pregnant. ''I don't ever want to have a boyfriend, get married or have another baby.''
    The County Court heard she texted her abuser and asked: ''Do you have any help for me I really pregnant?''
    The parents of the girl told in a victim impact statement of having to undergo a lengthy cultural cleansing ceremony to rid ''evil spirits'' from their lives, which also involved changing the girl's name. The girl and her parents migrated to Australia less than 10 years ago and Douangta helped them settle. Douangta pleaded guilty to one charge of persistent sexual abuse of a child under 16 and one charge of child stealing.
    Prosecutor Andrew Grant said Douangta told police he did not tell the girl's parents about taking her to see a doctor just before she gave birth because ''they were really tough parents''.
    Mr Moglia conceded the conduct of his client was degrading to the girl, but said no other elements of degradation were present.
    Judge Lisa Hannan will sentence Douangta today.
    -Adrian Lowe, The Age
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    Cultural differences an excuse to rape?

    I heard this on the radio this morning and straight away thought - "Refugee Camp - Muslim" but surprised to see where he is from, not muslim. Google the surname, I dont want to say the country.
    On the radio this morning they were not allowed to reaveal where he was from, so I dont want to get into any crap for it.

    Wherever he is from, sickening to hear, that little girl will be emotionally ruined for the rest of her life.

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    Bottom line....if your culture excuses rape....FUCK YOUR CULTURE!!!!
    Lunatic logic!!!

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    The man, 30, who can be identified only by his first name, Douangta....

    Google the surname, I dont want to say the country.

    i am copying and pasting anyway so why not one line more....

    Lunatic logic!!!

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    Yeh I did realise that, but if you listen to the audio, he said they are not allowed to name him or say where he came from but then they posted it on thier website, so i assumed that was ok. I dont know if they can punish a peasant for it or not.
    Derryn Hinch just got five months for the same thing.

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    Douangta....
    probably a laotian name

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    it's ok....

    i am more surprised about this:

    The girl and her parents migrated to Australia less than 10 years ago and Douangta helped them settle...

    Why would one employ such a retarded moron to help anyone settle there?
    Who selects such ppl and on what criteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodenshoe View Post
    it's ok....

    i am more surprised about this:

    The girl and her parents migrated to Australia less than 10 years ago and Douangta helped them settle...

    Why would one employ such a retarded moron to help anyone settle there?
    Who selects such ppl and on what criteria?
    I would say there is likely to be no selection criteria.

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    Apparently the judge has given him 10 years and required that he serves a minimum of 7 years. Seems rather light, given the defences evidence suggests that his communities 'cultural values' put him a high risk of reoffending and that there may well be many others that in his community that think statutory rape is ok. I would have thought this would be a opportunity to pass a harsh deterrent sentence, to remind his community they are not living a home anymore, but obviously not.

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    Surely if his cultural values differ so much from his adopted home he should be sent back to where those beliefs are the "norm".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    Surely if his cultural values differ so much from his adopted home he should be sent back to where those beliefs are the "norm".
    This ignores the fact that Australian law has been broken

    and

    Justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    Surely if his cultural values differ so much from his adopted home he should be sent back to where those beliefs are the "norm".
    This ignores the fact that Australian law has been broken

    and

    Justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done .
    I was rather thinking that if his cultural beliefs are so different from those of current-day Australians then he should have been sent back "home" shortly after arrival, but i agree he should not have the full cultural course... at least 15 years in prison followed by deportation.
    I see fish. They are everywhere. They don't know they are fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strongarm View Post
    The girl and Douangta belong to an ethnic minority which cannot be identified, to protect her identity.


    Anyone wanna take a stab at this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    Surely if his cultural values differ so much from his adopted home he should be sent back to where those beliefs are the "norm".
    Unfortunately in this instance, they wont punish him there, no point sending him back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strongarm View Post

    In sentencing the man, who can be identified only by his first name, Douangta, t

    Douangta befriended the girl's family when they migrated to Australia and began sexually assaulting her when she was eight or nine years old.

    The girl and Douangta belong to an ethnic minority which cannot be identified


    Australia is opening the door to too many Turd Worlders.

    Oz will pay the price for this.....

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    I saw the name and immediately though 'Laos'. Could be some hill tribe there.

    Now I'll google the name

    I always thought the Lao were some kind of chosen people in SEA, second only to the Burmese in goodness, humbleness and innocence!

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    We employ a whole heap of Burmese (Myanmarese people) the ones i have met are great people and great workers too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strongarm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Strongarm View Post
    The girl and Douangta belong to an ethnic minority which cannot be identified, to protect her identity.


    Anyone wanna take a stab at this?
    its a Laotian surname

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    I dont believe that is their culture to have child brides that young?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post

    Australia is opening the door to too many Turd Worlders.

    Oz will pay the price for this.....


    Happening already Mate.

    Cronnala Riots = Muslims verses Aussies. Brought about through Muslims disrespecting Australian woman.

    Muslim Woman and the Burka bungle = Trollup lied about an officer trying to remove her Rag.

    Sharia law Payback = Muslim thugs home invasion and whipping of another Muslim who was in his home having a few beers.

    The list goes on.

    Who needs these tossers ? Certainly not us.


    Stroller is a Yerman faggot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brettandlek View Post
    I dont believe that is their culture to have child brides that young?
    Could be from a hill tribe.

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    I found this in a search:

    Having known the name of the convict, Douangta, I could just google search his name on the internet and see what type of ethnicity it is associated with the most. Surprisingly, most other people identified with the same name on the internet tend to be living in Canada or the US with Laos or Vietnam origins. Of course those people would mostly reside in the West as they write their name in Latin alphabet on the internet. But Laos and Vietnam origin? As far as I understand about Laos, for I have personally stayed there with the locals for half a year, though they do tend to get married early – which usually means girls get married at 16 or so, there’s absolutely no such thing as it is OK to have a relationship with someone so young (11-year-old!) among the mainstream lowland Laotians. It is even more absurd to assume that the Vietnamese culture, which is way more advanced than the Lao, would deem having sex with a 11-year-old since her 9th birthday is accepted. In old folk Chinese culture there was something like “Tongyangxi“, which basically means that a family could sell their underage daughter to a richer family as the future wife, provided that the richer family bear the cost of raising the little girl into a suitable age for marriage, which is usually 16/17 at the time (eradicated by the communists after 1949). I assume that Vietnamese culture, which has been under thousands of years of Chinese influence, might probably perverse this custom as well? But still this is by no means saying you could touch a little girl and have babies with her. If not the Lao or the Vietnamese, then what kind of people this Douangta guy belongs to? It suddenly strikes me that a lot of people who claim of Lao origin and to a lesser extent Vietnamese origin in the United States, Canada or even Australia, are actually those tribesmen and offspring of those people who turned their backs on their countrymen and embraced the US during the Vietnam War! Well, after narrowing down the scope to this point, there is only one type of ethnic group that not only meets such selective criteria but also fits the description of the type of culture that would justify such uncivilized behaviors: the Hmong!
    Bingo! It must be the Hmong, the barbaric highland tribesmen who bring nothing but disturbance and unrest in all the countries they originally stayed. Everywhere they stay they bring the problems to the local community (in China, Laos, Vietnam). The Chinese even had to build another Great Wall to keep away those untamed savages from attacking Han Chinese villages and towns. There are lots of Hmong who fled to those western countries after US retreated from the Vietnam War, as they were with the Americans to turn their back against Vietnamese and Lao during wartime.


    Full post here: The justification from my ethnic minority culture!

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    Quote Originally Posted by natalie8 View Post
    I found this in a search:

    Having known the name of the convict, Douangta, I could just google search his name on the internet and see what type of ethnicity it is associated with the most. Surprisingly, most other people identified with the same name on the internet tend to be living in Canada or the US with Laos or Vietnam origins. Of course those people would mostly reside in the West as they write their name in Latin alphabet on the internet. But Laos and Vietnam origin? As far as I understand about Laos, for I have personally stayed there with the locals for half a year, though they do tend to get married early – which usually means girls get married at 16 or so, there’s absolutely no such thing as it is OK to have a relationship with someone so young (11-year-old!) among the mainstream lowland Laotians. It is even more absurd to assume that the Vietnamese culture, which is way more advanced than the Lao, would deem having sex with a 11-year-old since her 9th birthday is accepted. In old folk Chinese culture there was something like “Tongyangxi“, which basically means that a family could sell their underage daughter to a richer family as the future wife, provided that the richer family bear the cost of raising the little girl into a suitable age for marriage, which is usually 16/17 at the time (eradicated by the communists after 1949). I assume that Vietnamese culture, which has been under thousands of years of Chinese influence, might probably perverse this custom as well? But still this is by no means saying you could touch a little girl and have babies with her. If not the Lao or the Vietnamese, then what kind of people this Douangta guy belongs to? It suddenly strikes me that a lot of people who claim of Lao origin and to a lesser extent Vietnamese origin in the United States, Canada or even Australia, are actually those tribesmen and offspring of those people who turned their backs on their countrymen and embraced the US during the Vietnam War! Well, after narrowing down the scope to this point, there is only one type of ethnic group that not only meets such selective criteria but also fits the description of the type of culture that would justify such uncivilized behaviors: the Hmong!
    Bingo! It must be the Hmong, the barbaric highland tribesmen who bring nothing but disturbance and unrest in all the countries they originally stayed. Everywhere they stay they bring the problems to the local community (in China, Laos, Vietnam). The Chinese even had to build another Great Wall to keep away those untamed savages from attacking Han Chinese villages and towns. There are lots of Hmong who fled to those western countries after US retreated from the Vietnam War, as they were with the Americans to turn their back against Vietnamese and Lao during wartime.


    Full post here: The justification from my ethnic minority culture!
    I don't think it's a Hmong name though.

    Lao Loum are quite capable of this too. Just look at the monkee who used to rape girls in his little monkee cave up in Vang Vieng.

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