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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
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    Maybe I'm not making myself clear. America is not donating money and weapons to Israel. Israel is simply taking them.

    Well its clear that they're gonna take your beer if you don't make nice
    I.don't.think.so.somehow

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Hezbollah kicked Israels ass.
    Let's have a look at a brief chronology:

    The conflict began when militants from the group Hezbollah fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence. The ambush left three soldiers dead. Two additional soldiers, believed to have been killed outright or mortally wounded, were taken by Hezbollah to Lebanon. Five more were killed in a failed rescue attempt. Israel responded with airstrikes and artillery fire on targets in Lebanon that damaged Lebanese civilian infrastructure, including Beirut's Rafic Hariri International Airport, an air and naval blockade, and a ground invasion of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah then launched more rockets into northern Israel and engaged the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in guerrilla warfare from hardened positions.

    The conflict killed at least 1,200 people, mostly Lebanese citizens, severely damaged Lebanese civil infrastructure, and displaced approximately one million Lebanese and 300,000–500,000 Israelis.After the ceasefire, some parts of southern Lebanon remained uninhabitable due to Israeli unexploded cluster bomblets.

    On 11 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved UN Resolution 1701 in an effort to end the hostilities. The resolution, which was approved by both Lebanese and Israeli governments the following days, called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon, and for the deployment of Lebanese soldiers and an enlarged United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) in the south. UNIFIL was given an expanded mandate, including the ability to use force to ensure that their area of operations wasn't used for hostile activities, and to resist attempts by force to prevent them from discharging their duties.The Lebanese army began deploying in southern Lebanon on 17 August 2006. The blockade was lifted on 8 September 2006. On 1 October 2006, most Israeli troops withdrew from Lebanon, though the last of the troops continued to occupy the border-straddling village of Ghajar.
    So Israel got shelled by Hezbollah, proceeded to knock the fuck out of them until the UN told them to stop, and Nasrallah celebrated a "victory" by dint of being sufficiently hidden in a Hezbollah bunker throughout (and probably knowing the fat poof, mostly in Syria) to avoid being blown to shit.

    Meanwhile, Israel destroyed most of the transport infrastructure in Southern Lebanon, as well as other targets as far as the northern Lebanese border with Syria.

    And since then, they haven't really been threatened.

    This is what you call Israel getting its arse kicked is it?




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    And let's not even mention Syria. Apart from the fact the Sunnis are trying to kick the Alawites out, which would be a massive blow to Hezbollah, they've had more than 40 years to try and take the Golan Heights back, but are too fucking scared.

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    And let's also remember that Egypt took such a licking that they ended up making peace with Israel, and even supply them with oil and gas.

    Did I forget anyone?



    Oh yes, Iran. If they haven't got nukes, their only real offensive capability is a load of highly inaccurate missiles that do more propoganda damage than they do physical.

    Whereas Israel will calmly bomb the shit out of precisely any part of the turbanned twats that they feel is appropriate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And let's not even mention Syria. Apart from the fact the Sunnis are trying to kick the Alawites out, which would be a massive blow to Hezbollah, they've had more than 40 years to try and take the Golan Heights back, but are too fucking scared.
    Right on the mark Harry

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrapmetalband View Post
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    And let's not even mention Syria. Apart from the fact the Sunnis are trying to kick the Alawites out, which would be a massive blow to Hezbollah, they've had more than 40 years to try and take the Golan Heights back, but are too fucking scared.
    Right on the mark Harry
    Yeah, remember when Israel bombed Al-Kibar?

    What did the Syrians do? Sent in the cleaners, sat down and shut the fuck up.


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    Of course he might be talking about the 1982 version of Israel "getting their asses kicked":

    The 1982 Lebanon War (Hebrew: מלחמת לבנון הראשונה‎, Milhemet Levanon Harishona, "the first Lebabon war"), (Arabic: الإجتياح‎, Al-ijtiyāḥ, "the invasion"), called Operation Peace for Galilee (Hebrew: מבצע שלום הגליל, or מבצע של"ג‎ Mivtsa Shlom HaGalil or Mivtsa Sheleg) by Israel, and later known in Israel as the Lebanon War and First Lebanon War, began on 6 June 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon. The Government of Israel launched the military operation after the Abu Nidal Organization's assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov.

    After attacking the PLO, as well as Syrian, leftist and Muslim Lebanese forces, Israel occupied southern Lebanon and eventually surrounded the PLO and elements of the Syrian army. Surrounded in West Beirut and subjected to heavy bombardment, the PLO forces and their allies negotiated passage from Lebanon with the aid of Special Envoy Philip Habib and the protection of international peacekeepers.

    Honestly, what a bunch of fucking pansies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The conflict began when militants from the group Hezbollah fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.
    Utter bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    And since then, they haven't really been threatened.
    Doubt they will be back inside Lebanons borders anytime soon either. Battles between Hezbollah and Israeli ground troops were overwhelmingly won by Hezbollah.

    When Israel bombed the rest of the country from the air, including ambulances and UN compounds, they really didn't make an impact on Hezbollahs forces. If you chose to say Israel beat Lebanon in the war, I could agree with you, because Lebanon wasn't really in the fight, and Israel cowardly bombed the shit out of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The conflict began when militants from the group Hezbollah fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.
    Utter bullshit.
    OK Pickel old chap, let's hear your version of events, shall we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
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    And since then, they haven't really been threatened.
    Doubt they will be back inside Lebanons borders anytime soon either. Battles between Hezbollah and Israeli ground troops were overwhelmingly won by Hezbollah.
    Well since they occupied Southern Lebanon in 1982 and voluntarily left it in 2000, I'd say they can go in any time they like.

    The only reason they didn't do more damage to Hezbollah was because the "fighters" kept merging into the Lebanese civilian populations, trying to use them as human shields.

    Israel might want some things, but a fight with the Lebanese people it doesn't.

    Hezbollah on the other hand are a cowardly, Iran-funded terrorist organisation that hide under any rocks they can find.

    I for one hope to fuck the Sunnis take over Syria. That will fuck Nasrallah and his goat-fucking scum supporters royally up the arse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
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    The conflict began when militants from the group Hezbollah fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.
    Utter bullshit.
    You missed a bit out:
    The ambush left three soldiers dead. Two additional soldiers, believed to have been killed outright or mortally wounded, were taken by Hezbollah to Lebanon.
    Here's a quote from the man you seem to love so much:

    In a TV interview aired on Lebanon's New TV station, Sunday, 27 August, Nasrallah said that he would not have ordered the capture of two Israeli soldiers if he had known it would lead to such a war: "We do not think, even 1 percent, that the capture led to a war at this time and of this magnitude. I'm convinced and sure that this war was planned and that the capture of these hostages was just their excuse to start their pre-planned war, but if I had known on July 11 ... that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not."

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The only reason they didn't do more damage to Hezbollah was because the "fighters" kept merging into the Lebanese civilian populations, trying to use them as human shields.
    More usual Israeli bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
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    The only reason they didn't do more damage to Hezbollah was because the "fighters" kept merging into the Lebanese civilian populations, trying to use them as human shields.
    More usual Israeli bullshit.
    As I said before, I'm neither Israeli nor Jewish, and I think both them and Iran are a bunch of overzealous nutcases.

    But let's not let that get in the way of the truth, eh?

    I'm still waiting to hear your version of events.

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    ^Are you guys arguing about the 2006 war? Because Israel didn't do so well in that one. Not that it serves as much of a model to what will likely happen if Iran and Israel go at it, except that as usual the majority of the casualties will be civilians.

    Since Israel went nuclear a while back (where is Mordechai Vanununu anyway?) what is to dissuade from Iran wanting to do the same? Of course, it leaves the rest of us nothing to hope for but more MADness, in the maddest region of the world no less.

    A small nuclear exchange could, on the other hand, help stave off global warming. I had always thought it would be India and Pakistan did us that favor, but who knows now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    ^Are you guys arguing about the 2006 war? Because Israel didn't do so well in that one. Not that it serves as much of a model to what will likely happen if Iran and Israel go at it, except that as usual the majority of the casualties will be civilians.

    Since Israel went nuclear a while back (where is Mordechai Vanununu anyway?) what is to dissuade from Iran wanting to do the same? Of course, it leaves the rest of us nothing to hope for but more MADness, in the maddest region of the world no less.

    A small nuclear exchange could, on the other hand, help stave off global warming. I had always thought it would be India and Pakistan did us that favor, but who knows now?
    I'm still convinced if Iran gets/has got nuclear weapons, it will be/is from Pakistan.

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    Israel sent their troops across the border, and then lied about it to gain support for what followed, which was pre-planned. Though, not planned very well because it backfired on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Israel sent their troops across the border, and then lied about it to gain support for what followed, which was pre-planned. Though, not planned very well because it backfired on them.
    They just "sent their troops across the border" for no reason?

    Do continue...

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    Iran doesn't need operating nuclear weapons, all it needs to do is pack a load of platinum in to some planes and blow them up over Israel. Israel can't live with the threat of a radioactive waste land. Nor can the west in general. Who knows when some mad Iranian is going to load a passenger jet up and blow up London New York or where ever. The west will let Israel do the dirty work, complain in the UN and change the markings on western fighters to Israeli. Problem solved. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    ^Are you guys arguing about the 2006 war? Because Israel didn't do so well in that one. Not that it serves as much of a model to what will likely happen if Iran and Israel go at it, except that as usual the majority of the casualties will be civilians.

    Since Israel went nuclear a while back (where is Mordechai Vanununu anyway?) what is to dissuade from Iran wanting to do the same? Of course, it leaves the rest of us nothing to hope for but more MADness, in the maddest region of the world no less.

    A small nuclear exchange could, on the other hand, help stave off global warming. I had always thought it would be India and Pakistan did us that favor, but who knows now?
    I'm still convinced if Iran gets/has got nuclear weapons, it will be/is from Pakistan.
    Definitely. The Saudis are pals with the Pakistanis, and wouldn't like it, but still.

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    Iran v Israel

    As long as some genius in London doesn't decide to get us involved. Ambivalence best describes how I feel about it.
    The plans seem to indicate we are no longer intending to get involved in anything with plans to lose a complete division or more in the defence review.
    Interesting times we live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    They just "sent their troops across the border" for no reason?
    I believe i already provided the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    They just "sent their troops across the border" for no reason?
    I believe i already provided the reason.
    I must have missed it. Which post?

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    From a news report at the time (bear in mind the soldiers were captured on 12th July).


    7.15pm update

    Israelis invade Lebanon after soldiers are seized




    Israeli tanks and troops today invaded southern Lebanon after Hizbullah captured two soldiers and killed several others.The Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, described the capture of the soldiers an "act of war" by Lebanon, with today's developments compounding the ongoing political crisis over an abducted Israeli soldier being held in Gaza.
    So where did they actually lie?

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