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    UK: Crackdown on Visas for foreign spouses

    I saw something briefly on Sky News this morning, but it took a while to find it. If you're thinking of taking your lovely missus to the UK, you might want to note the following:

    Crackdown on family visas will mean a longer wait for settlement

    Foreign brides and grooms will have to wait five years before gaining full access to benefits under plans to be unveiled by the Government today.

    Damian Green, the immigration minister, believes the family and marriage route into the UK has been abused as a way to get around our immigration laws

    By Tom Whitehead, Home Affairs Editor

    7:00AM BST 13 Jul 2011

    Ministers want to more than double the time a foreign spouse must spend in the UK before being granted settlement, from two to five years, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

    The move will put foreign partners on a par with other migrants, who must wait five years before being eligible for settlement.

    The proposed change is designed to ensure migrant partners are fully integrated into British society before being given permanent residence and full access to benefits.

    It is part of a crackdown on the family visa route to be unveiled by the Home Office today as it looks to cut overall net migration to the “tens of thousands”.

    The consultation will also raise the prospect of ending the ability of foreign criminals and terrorists from using a controversial human rights defence to avoid deportation.

    It will question how whether the right to family life, under the European Convention on Human Rights, should outweigh the public interest of a foreign criminal continuing to leave in the UK.

    Currently, any foreign spouse arriving in the UK under the family visa system is effectively fast tracked to settlement within two years.

    All other immigrants must be legitimately based in the country for five years before applying for permanent residence.

    Settlement means a migrant enjoys the same rights as a British citizen and therefore has the same access to all state benefits.

    The review today will propose extending any “probationary” period for a new partner to five years before being allowed to apply for settlement.

    Officials hope the move will help promote integration and community cohesion as well as cracking down on sham marriages.

    Almost 50,000 people arrived under the family visa route last year, including more than 8,000 dependants.

    Data from the Home Office yesterday showed a series of abuses in the system and revealed illegal immigrants can get a marriage visa, and therefore a route in to the UK for just £10,000.

    It highlighted a Sheffield case where an investigation in to a bogus marriage gang unearthed a “price list’ for a sham wedding totalling £10,695.

    Other abuses include a man who sponsored a visa for a woman he claimed to be his wife and for his 21 year old son but the “wife” in question later turned out to be daughter-in-law.

    Damian Green, the immigration minister, said: “For too long the family and marriage route into the UK has been abused as a way to get around our immigration laws.

    “These cases clearly show why we need to take strong action and the proposals we will outline today will benefit the UK as a whole as well as individuals who would otherwise be exploited.”

    The consultation will also open a debate on how Article 8, the right to family life, should be interpreted.

    Theresa May, the Home Secretary, said earlier this month that she was "concerned" that foreign criminals use the right, which is enshrined in UK human rights laws, as a way of successfully fighting deportation.

    Figures last month suggested up to 400 foreign criminals successfully used the defence last year.

    Mrs May told MPs that it is not an "absolute right" and that Home Office officials are closely examining the definition to see if there is scope to limit its use and give more weight to what is in the public interest.

    The review of family visas is the fourth and final shake-up of the immigration system which has already seen reform or proposed reform in migrant worker rights, student visas and the right to settlement.

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    Thank fok my misses got her indefinate leave to remain/residence permit earlier this year then. Guess i better pray they don't the citizenship laws before December this year then as that is when her 3 years are up and can apply for a Brit passport as no doubt that will change to 5 years aswell from the current 3.

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    Five years is not outrageous. it's roughy in line with other countries. Brits are lucky that they're not Canadian. I recall reading the Canadian spouse is on the hook for at least three years - so if she gets into any trouble or needs benefits she's not entitled except health care I think. Even if she walks out and goes on the dole the guy is still on the hook for her and will be sued by the government to retrieve the costs. He signs a guarantee to that affect when he sponsors her.
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    They also get the ability to live in any EU country, that is if it is still there!

    What are the Aussie rules and don't even mention the Thai "requirements".

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Foreign brides and grooms will have to wait five years before gaining full access to benefits
    A special case should be made for Thais thus: Thais never have full access

    fair is fair

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    Quid Pro Quo

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorenzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Foreign brides and grooms will have to wait five years before gaining full access to benefits
    A special case should be made for Thais thus: Thais never have full access

    fair is fair
    Seems perfectly reasonable to me. As and when I can get access to full Thai benefits then I am minded to think, then and only then should any Thai have access to the UK benefit system.

    And moreover, those benefits as such ought to be based on the lowest common denominator of the country of origin / country of destination.

    Hmm... That wouldn't go down too well here with the left leaning liberal pansies in the UK. There are many instances of supposed asylum seekers / maternity benefit tourists / convicted foreign criminals achieving greater benefits than the white indigenous population.
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    The Murdoch empire has shown they are unfit to hold a licence for both newspaper and tv stations OFCOM should revoke their licences immediately.

    The Met police have shown they are unfit to pursue an enquiry, they should be replaced immediately.

    The three major political parties have shown their judgement to be unsound, their leaders should be made to stand down until the enquiries/criminal cases have been resolved
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    It highlighted a Sheffield case where an investigation in to a bogus marriage gang unearthed a “price list’ for a sham wedding totalling £10,695.
    Crikey, that's much cheaper than a genuine one costs. If i get a shag on the first night and the divorce settlement is included in the price then sign me up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Hatter
    eems perfectly reasonable to me. As and when I can get access to full Thai benefits then I am minded to think, then and only then should any Thai have access to the UK benefit system.
    What a bloody daft thing to say ,, what benefit system are the Thais on ?
    Just to put your mind to rest my missus like many other Thai,s living and working here in jobs that many UK people would,nt do at any price pays tax and NI and neither wants to or is able to claim ANY benefits .



    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Thank fok my misses got her indefinate leave to remain/residence permit earlier this year then. Guess i better pray they don't the citizenship laws before December this year then as that is when her 3 years are up and can apply for a Brit passport as no doubt that will change to 5 years aswell from the current 3.
    yeah you and me both ,,,,,,,,, looks like its a run to the finishing line BB
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    straight up, 5 years wont make a substantial saving in benefits.

    Its just tory cap doffing.

    If they were serious they'd pitch it at at least 10 years wait to realise any real saving.

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    If they were serious, they'd just ban immigration and residence visas altogether.
    And certainly reject any visas for spouses without a decent level of education to be able to actually add something to the UK, rather than just hitch onto some desperate Derek.

    I dunno what the fuss is all about, this is not targeted specifically at Thais; what exactly is wrong with extending this period nearer to double figures. 10 years as in Switzerland seems perfectly reasonable; anything less than 5 years is ridiculously fast, and easily long enough for someone to endure a sham marriage.

    You see the amount of upholstered drag queens that get into the UK that would never get in any other way but through marriage to some fuckup.
    So far, of all the foreign spouses I've ever met, only a few you would let in on their own merit without the penis-attached-to-a-passport, and they were all nurses, from Philipines, Mauritius, and Trinidad - oh and a postgrad researcher from Brazil. When you meet people like that, you think, OK, fine, they can speak decent English, and actually add something to the economy, and have the intelligence to compromise on their culture and adapt and adopt that of their spouse; but I've encountered too many that are basically trailer trash who could never have got in without faking it on a spouse visa.

    ...and I'm so fucking tired of hearing that same old "they're only doing jobs that we wouldn't do" shite... for the nth effing time, they are only doing jobs that are available because of the unsustainable socialist shitstem that allows a huge amount of people to be fussy and opt out of work.
    This concept of putting 20% of the workforce on benefits and then importing a replacement 20% of outsiders with all their foreign cultural impositions to essentially pay for the aforementiond 20% of indolant serfs (when they're not sat on their arses in a council house/flat) to hang around in packs outside offlicences and Argoses intimidating working people, is the core of this problem.

    I think we can safely say that this is targetted at africans and asians who have become adept over the years at exploiting the weak and comical left-wing immigration policies of the UK, trading access to UK residency via arranged marriages with their own tribes etc... to expand their ever-expanding enclaves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    .and I'm so fucking tired of hearing that same old "they're only doing jobs that we wouldn't do" shite
    You could make a fortune setting up an agency with all the thousands of UK people you know who will work for the minimum wage cleaning 4 en-suite rooms an hour that are covered in human excrement because of the old folk that live in there have lost their bowel control supplying care homes in the UK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they are allways looking for more staff

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    Indeed, and because the funding model for these bins for the old was based on absurd lending from the reckless banksters the companies that operate them cannot afford to pay anything other than the minimum wage. Most seem to be going bust now.

    If the East Europeans were to move up in the pecking order and seek employment elsewhere the system would collapse totally. The alternative is of course to import Asians but that is now politically unacceptable.

    The only viable solution is to abandon the benefit system for anyone unemployed for more than 3 months and reintroduce the rather quaint notion people are responsible for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    Indeed, and because the funding model for these bins for the old was based on absurd lending from the reckless banksters the companies that operate them cannot afford to pay anything other than the minimum wage. Most seem to be going bust now.

    If the East Europeans were to move up in the pecking order and seek employment elsewhere the system would collapse totally. The alternative is of course to import Asians but that is now politically unacceptable.

    The only viable solution is to abandon the benefit system for anyone unemployed for more than 3 months and reintroduce the rather quaint notion people are responsible for themselves.
    People are responsible for themselves. They work their whole lives paying tax and NI on the basis that while they're contributing to the retirees that need it, there will be others contributing to them.

    What has let them down is a government that's decided to do other things with the money, not least of which is to throw it at workshy soap dodgers and foreign scroungers. To that extent, at least, I agree with you.

    If you are fit to work and refuse to work, then you should be told to fuck off with empty pockets.

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    There's a lot of simplistic Bullshit being posted on this thread.

    MP's weren't slow to greatly inflate their pensions a few years back, of course in line with their responsibilities (not to mention their expense claims).

    Banks weren't slow to accept Billions of taxpayers money as handouts (excluding Barclays) and that money was taxpayers money and money borrowed from the markets to pay the banks off, that's f*cking ludicrous. (I suggest watching "THE INSIDE JOB" if you haven't alreadty seen it?

    Local government pension schemes are protected, index linked and a large percentage of Council tax is lost soley to support these local government pensions schemes.

    Take teachers as an example...many are and were NOT a good example but still cushioned by the State for years, no performance testing, or inspection requirements for many years until it was finaly recognised many of our professional teachers in the UK were'nt up to scratch.

    This current Government has some unpopular and difficult choices to make and no matter what they decide to do it's not going to be popular with many people in the UK.

    The introduction of Big Bang and deregulation of the markets started the "Rot" and greed has been the name of the game ever since.

    Gordon the Moron devastated private and company pension schemes to claw back and cover reckless government spending not to mention North Sea oil revenues wasted and of course his decision to sell UK Gold reserves after telling the markets he planned to sell it before hand. (Scottish one eyed arrogant brainless C*NT)

    Of courtse Immigration has been an unaddressed problem for years and years and if you mention the problem idiots like "pupa" scream racist or fascist! But it's not just immigration there are many factors and factors that were and are very similar to here if not the same.

    I paid my maximum NI contirbutions by the time I was aged 50, I retired at aged 50 with a private occupational pension (index linked) so I'm not bothered by much of this.

    However, neither my wife or I would want or consider living in the UK but I would like to see something done about the financial crisis created by greedy politicians and financial misfeasance. How about taxing the City of London finance sector a little more to ensure elderly people in the UK are better taken care of? Ohh I forgot...can't do that because it could mean a shift of business elsewhere.

    And of I note the "oldfart" has his usual inane simplistic comments to make, so typicaly "uninformed and arrogant" but adding as usual little or nothing to the discussion despite his flowery use of the English language.

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    Cheaper to be an illegal immigrant government will let them stay give them benefits and a council house paid partly for by my Thai wife's tax and national insurance contributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    People are responsible for themselves. They work their whole lives paying tax and NI on the basis that while they're contributing to the retirees that need it, there will be others contributing to them.

    What has let them down is a government that's decided to do other things with the money, not least of which is to throw it at workshy soap dodgers and foreign scroungers.
    You forgot the bigger things they did with our money - like spending it on bailing out banks with bad loans and huge industries that can no longer compete, while pumping hundreds of billions into two wars that never should have happened in the first place and spending millions more on CCTV cameras, computer systems and other IT stuff to restrict our freedoms and control our lives. Oh yes, then they tell us the debt is OUR fault. But no, let's believe it's all down to some welfare scammer and immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    People are responsible for themselves. They work their whole lives paying tax and NI on the basis that while they're contributing to the retirees that need it, there will be others contributing to them.

    What has let them down is a government that's decided to do other things with the money, not least of which is to throw it at workshy soap dodgers and foreign scroungers.
    You forgot the bigger things they did with our money - like spending it on bailing out banks with bad loans and huge industries that can no longer compete, while pumping hundreds of billions into two wars that never should have happened in the first place and spending millions more on CCTV cameras, computer systems and other IT stuff to restrict our freedoms and control our lives. Oh yes, then they tell us the debt is OUR fault. But no, let's believe it's all down to some welfare scammer and immigrants.
    Fair point. But I wonder how much of the pensions deficit would be filled if you took the two groups I mentioned out of the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Fair point. But I wonder how much of the pensions deficit would be filled if you took the two groups I mentioned out of the equation.
    Fuck all squared "arry" fuck all squared!

    I believe the UK pension deficit is around the 50 Billion pound mark and that's only the top FTSE 100 companies.

    Put the blame for this deficit where it should be..Gordon the Moron created this problem by removing the tax benefits of the pension companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Fair point. But I wonder how much of the pensions deficit would be filled if you took the two groups I mentioned out of the equation.
    Fuck all squared "arry" fuck all squared!

    I believe the UK pension deficit is around the 50 Billion pound mark and that's only the top FTSE 100 companies.

    Put the blame for this deficit where it should be..Gordon the Moron created this problem by removing the tax benefits of the pension companies.
    Oh it's not all his fault. After all, if all those coffin dodgers wouldn't hang around until their 80's or 90's there would be more to go around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    People are responsible for themselves. They work their whole lives paying tax and NI on the basis that while they're contributing to the retirees that need it, there will be others contributing to them.

    What has let them down is a government that's decided to do other things with the money, not least of which is to throw it at workshy soap dodgers and foreign scroungers.
    You forgot the bigger things they did with our money - like spending it on bailing out banks with bad loans and huge industries that can no longer compete, while pumping hundreds of billions into two wars that never should have happened in the first place and spending millions more on CCTV cameras, computer systems and other IT stuff to restrict our freedoms and control our lives. Oh yes, then they tell us the debt is OUR fault. But no, let's believe it's all down to some welfare scammer and immigrants.
    Fair point. But I wonder how much of the pensions deficit would be filled if you took the two groups I mentioned out of the equation.
    Fine throw the book at them, kick them outta ol blighty - but it won't make a dent on the debt the establishment has incurred to support their own self-serving industries for profit at the expense of the public purse - only to then say there's nothing left for you and me when we're old. Fuck them. It's not our fault - it's not the immigrants' fault - it's the cnuts that run things that spent OUR money on THEIR screw-ups to bail out private banking and their private industries. There needs to be a serious rearrangment of public-private capital because what's happening now is private debt is being sucked up by the taxpayer while private profit stays - private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney View Post
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    Put the blame for this deficit where it should be..Gordon the Moron created this problem by removing the tax benefits of the pension companies.
    Nope - Major's government caused it. He should have adopted a US or Canadian style 401 (US) or RRSP system (Canada). Instead Major's government enriched the shit-hole private insurance companies by allowing them to create "Stakeholder Pensions" that are/were complete shit value to the punter paying into them. Hands up - how many Brits living here (or anywhere abroad) are still paying into a private Stakeholder Pension anymore? They're useless - and really poor value.

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    Typical British government, making new legislation which effects all the legitimate people and cases instead of cracking down on the real problem and dealing with those who abuse the system.

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    Still paying into a Stakeholder Pension madjbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
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    Put the blame for this deficit where it should be..Gordon the Moron created this problem by removing the tax benefits of the pension companies.
    Nope - Major's government caused it. He should have adopted a US or Canadian style 401 (US) or RRSP system (Canada). Instead Major's government enriched the shit-hole private insurance companies by allowing them to create "Stakeholder Pensions" that are/were complete shit value to the punter paying into them. Hands up - how many Brits living here (or anywhere abroad) are still paying into a private Stakeholder Pension anymore? They're useless - and really poor value.
    Unsurprisingly, our resident Thai political soothsayer is as wide off the mark on UK matters as he seems to be on his chosen subject.

    Stakeholder Pensions were not introduced into the UK until 2001 by which time I recollect the John Major government had long since gone, superseded by NuLabour in 1997.
    They were primarily aimed at the lower end earning between £10,000 - £20,000 who had no access to company pension schemes. I don't know many folk who took up this scheme but then I tend not to move within the circles that particular demographic might inhabit. Nevertheless, any accrued benefits would bound to be modest given the contributions likely to have been made.

    Makes one wonder just what this Sawyer guy does/did for living. Reading his other simplistic tripe about the private sector suggests he may well have personal issues, as yet unresolved.

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