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    is the UK starting to see sense?

    British teachers have been given a green light to use ''reasonable'' physical force to control unruly students.
    New guidelines published in England on Monday say it ''may not always be possible to avoid injuring pupils'' while using restraining techniques in the most extreme circumstances, British newspaper The Daily Telegraph reports.
    Examples of such situations may include: removing disruptive students from classrooms, breaking up fights, and stopping attacks on teachers and pupils.
    Some schools currently adopt a ''no contact'' policy to avoid being sued by guardians after children are restrained by staff, but the latest policy explicitly bans such policies, noting that teachers should not be automatically suspended for using ''excessive force''.
    ''For far too long teachers have been buried under guidance and reports on how to tackle bad behaviour,'' government adviser on classroom behaviour Charlie Taylor told the Telegraph.
    ''The new guidance will help teachers do their job without lessons being disrupted and schools to feel confident when they address behaviour issues.''
    Under the guidelines, teachers will not require parental permission to use force.
    However, staff should ''always try to avoid acting in a way that might cause injury, but in extreme cases it may not always be possible to avoid injuring the pupil''.
    Furthermore, the guidelines state it is acceptable for staff to make physical contact under certain circumstances, including holding a child's hand, comforting distressed pupils or demonstrating sports techniques during PE classes, without fear of being accused of inappropriate conduct.
    The changes come after news that major assaults on British school staff reached a five-year-high in 2010, when 44 were admitted to hospital.
    is the UK starting to see sense

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    British teachers have been given a green light to use ''reasonable'' physical force to control unruly students.
    A bit vague. If I were a teacher I'd want something clearer in black and white before administering GBH.

    ' A teacher being sworn at and manhandled will be permited to insert an object upto and including cricket bats in the rectum of the offending pupil . '

    Or words to the effect. Might save a lot of wrangling over details afterwards.

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    Kids today don't know they're born, when I was at school Mr Gambie the music teacher would flick his wooden clogs at us if we were pissing about, a few lads got black eyes from that one and I once saw the geography teacher beat a 15 yr old to the ground with full blooded punches just for farting.
    Kids got it easy today.

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    Way too vague. The courts will have a field day.

    Why can't teachers sue kids ?

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    bring back the cane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnwadrick
    bring back the cane
    Nope, don't need that, just need the right of teachers to be able to make legal complaints against kids that will be followed through and involve the parents.

    Lets be fair, most of the problems stem from the parents and their hatred of school, teachers, officialdom and authority.

    That's what years on the dole does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Way too vague. The courts will have a field day.

    Why can't teachers sue kids ?
    Agree - or sue their parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    Agree - or sue their parents.
    Indeed, both.

    Parents legally responsible for the kids behavior and action.

    Schools able to sue - fast track.

    Most class room problems solved. Plus, of course truancy etc.

    Put it all back on the parents.

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    Parent in most cases

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii
    Parent in most cases
    Indeed.

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    Who says a teacher is unable to sue a pupil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    Lets be fair, most of the problems stem from the parents and their hatred of school, teachers, officialdom and authority.
    Absolutely, it's the idiot parents instilling shite morals and standards into their kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinky
    Absolutely, it's the idiot parents instilling shite morals and standards into their kids.
    I don't know that they instill. It's more a case of being into the 3rd or 4th generation of school haters ( as in parents).

    It's just the way it's become. School is not seen as an opportunity more a place to absolve your responsibilities as a parent. Some where to stash 'em for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    Who says a teacher is unable to sue a pupil?
    Very very difficult and you'll have the bulk of the bureaucracy against you.

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    My maths teacher at school in South London circa 1982 broke a kid's arm. He'd been pissing about in class. We all knew not to fcuk with Mr May, a genius teacher, originally American. It was all made to go away although I think his career might have been blighted by the episode.

    Sadly my LSD experimentations at Sizewell B Pure Energy Fair in 1982 made it impossible for me to follow his teachings on integration and differential equations so I moved to History instead.

    Mr. May, I hope you're still alive and well and enjoying your retirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound
    Mr. May, I hope you're still alive and well and enjoying your retirement.
    What's his ID on here?

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    In 1978 "Blew" (we were only called by our surnames - it was years before we bothered to learn our friends' first names), was expelled for writing "Guts is a wanker" on his desk.

    Guts was the lower school head and a former sergeant during the war. You didn't fcuk with "Guts" - Mr. Willeard. For some school boyish reason we all elevated him to major behind his back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound
    Mr. May, I hope you're still alive and well and enjoying your retirement.
    What's his ID on here?
    Can't say for sure. Mid is a prime suspect.

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    No arguement that todays pupils are far too quick in giving their teachers grief . They have no rights to manhandle or otherwise rollock wayward students. This has lead to teachers going cranky and then really hurting a child . Nothing wrong in firing off a " warning shot " I think . Yonks ago I had a maths teacher who had a backed up reputation of asking troublemakers out into the corridor to settle "things" . . Oddly students were well behaved funnily enough.

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