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    Peace prize winner sells weapons to Muslims.

    They claim it'll create 75,000 jobs.


    Is it worth it?
    Obama approves £39bn arms deal... one year after winning Nobel Peace Prize



    By David Gardner
    Last updated at 8:37 AM on 14th September 2010



    President Obama is set to sign America’s biggest ever arms deal, it was claimed last night.
    The Nobel Peace Prize winner has reportedly agreed the £39billion sale of aircraft and weapons systems to Saudi Arabia.
    Provided lawmakers rubber-stamp the deal, it could generate more than 75,000 jobs, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    Record deal: The White House is set to confirm the sale of £39billion of weaponry to Saudi Arabia, including F-15 fighters (pictured)

    The Obama administration sees the move as helping America's key ally in the Middle East protect itself against the growing threat from Iran.
    Washington analysts also claimed last night that the timing of the deal could help boost the Democrats’ chances in the upcoming mid-term elections in November.
    Creating jobs: Barack Obama has faced mounting pressure over rising unemployment in the U.S. and the arms deal could create 75,000 posts

    ‘It would mean more jobs and more money coming into the U.S. economy at a time when it sorely needs both,’ said one government official.
    However, the sale is also likely to raise the hackles of pacifist supporters in Mr Obama’s Democrat Party, especially as the President was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize last year for ‘his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples’.
    The Saudis want to buy as many as 84 new Boeing F-15 fighters, upgrade 70 more and acquire three types of helicopters – Apaches, Black Hawks and Little Birds.
    Congress will be notified about the deal this week, the Pentagon confirmed last night.
    But spokesman Colonel Dave Lapan declined to discuss the details of the proposed package.
    ‘I’m not commenting either way on details until we get the final agreement and notification,’ he said.
    Production of the aircraft would take place over the next five to ten years.

    Negotiations are also said to be continuing over naval and missile defence systems that could be worth billions more.

    The sale could be blocked on Capitol Hill, but defence experts said any last minute hiccup was unlikely.
    ‘It’s a big economic sale for the U.S. and the argument is that it is better to create jobs here than in Europe,’ said one source close to the talks.
    Pro-Israeli lawmakers have raised concerns in the past about arms sales to Saudi Arabia amid fears they might affect the balance of power in the Middle East.
    But American officials told the Wall Street Journal that the Israelis were comfortable with the proposed sale because the planes will not have certain long-range weapons systems – and Israel is in line to buy a more advanced fighter, the F-35.
    Michael Oren, the Israeli ambassador to the U.S., said: ‘We appreciate the administration’s efforts to maintain Israel’s qualitative military edge, and we expect to continue to discuss our concerns with the administration.’


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    Earlier this week, Congress learned U.S. arms sales around the world fell by nearly half from 2008 to 2009 -- from $38.1 billion to $22.6 billion. Apparently the world's flagging economy affects air forces and ministries of defence just as much as it does Main Street car dealers and hardware stores. But taking some of the edge off that gloomy economic news was the flash -- likely inflated, but still eye-watering -- that Saudi Arabia wants to buy up to $60 billion in U.S. arms over the coming decade.
    Saudi F-15 at a recent wargame/DoD photo

    It's likely to end up the biggest U.S. arms sale ever, trigger additional purchases by nervous neighbors in the Middle East, and ensure continued U.S. arms sales to Israel (which is already in line to buy hotter warplanes than the Saudis are slated to get). "We will sell Saudi Arabia F-15 fighter jets, Apache and Black Hawk helicopters," Jay Leno noted Monday in his Tonight Show monologue, "and many other weapons that will one day be used against us."

    While the joke may not have gone over well in Riyadh, Leno was referring to the gusher of weaponry, including front-line Grumman F-14 fighters outfitted with Hughes Phoenix air-to-air missiles, that Washington sold to Iran in the 1970s under Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, the shah of Iran. That's fitting, because much of the arms-buying now underway in the Middle East is because of concerns over Tehran's suspected push for nuclear weapons. "They used to be most afraid of us," an Israeli official says. "Now they're more scared of Iran."
    The Obama Administration has yet to send a formal announcement of the sale to Congress, which then has 30 days to block the sale or allow it to proceed by doing nothing (which is expected in this case). The deal could include as many as 84 new F-15 fighters, improvements to 70 F-15s the Saudis already have, and three types of helicopters: 70 AH-64 Apache gunships, 72 UH-60 Black Hawk troop-carriers, and 36 MH-6 Little Bird observation aircraft. But those numbers aren't as important as the economic punch such a sale would pack back home: Boeing, which builds the F-15s, Apaches and Little Birds, estimates the sale would preserve or create some 75,000 jobs across 44 states. Sales of naval vessels and missile-defense networks could boost the total value of the sale by tens of billions of dollars.
    Not coincidentally, those are the very kinds of weapons the Gulf Cooperation Council -- Iran's neighbors, including Saudi Arabia and Kuwait -- want to buy, says this week's Congressional Research Service study of the international arms trade. "Concerns over the growing strategic threat from Iran, which have continued in the 21st century, have become the principal basis of GCC states' advanced arms purchases," says the report, by longtime CRS arms-sales analyst Richard Grimmett. "Because GCC states do not share a land border with Iran, their weapons purchases have focused primarily on air, naval, and missile defense systems." Arms-trade experts consider the annual report as the most comprehensive unclassified accounting of global arms sales available.
    "Large as these (Saudi) arms transfers may seem, it is important to understand that the weapons numbers involved are relatively limited, given the overall size of forces in the (Persian) Gulf," Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies noted Tuesday. "They meet key Saudi concerns in force expansion and modernization, provide the basis for full interoperability with U.S. forces in a crisis or conflict, and give Saudi Arabia a significant `edge' in air superiority against Iran." But some observers were more skeptical. "The $60 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia is mostly about money," says William Hartung, an arms-sale analyst with the New American Foundation. "It's a huge shot in the arm for U.S. defense contractors at a time when Pentagon spending is leveling off. For the Saudis, it has more to do with buying favor in Washington than it does with assembling a coherent military force."
    The U.S. accounted for $22.6 billion in arms sales last year, 39 cents of every dollar spent on the international arms trade, the CRS study says. More than $17 billion of those sales, about 80 percent, was to developing nations such as Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan and the United Arab Emirates.
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    Israel has monitored the Saudi transaction closely, and has been assured by Washington it will contain no surprises. "We're not thrilled by the Saudi deal," an Israeli government official says, "but we can live with it because there's a clear commitment [by Washington] to maintain Israel's QME" -- qualitative military edge.
    That's why Israel is readying its initial request for 20 Lockheed F-35s, the Pentagon's newest and hottest fighter, for about $2.5 billion. U.S. taxpayers will likely pay for much of the purchase given the nearly $3 billion in military aid the U.S. gives to Israel each year. The Saudis largely fund their weapons purchases themselves with oil revenues, including the more than $2 billion U.S. drivers pay for oil imports from the desert kingdom every month. One way or another, it seems, we're paying for both sides. At least we're not arming the Iranians anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug
    "We're not thrilled by the Saudi deal," an Israeli government official says, "but we can live with it because there's a clear commitment [by Washington] to maintain Israel's QME" -- qualitative military edge.
    Hence, it will be approved by Congress.

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    To see if it's worth it, just see the results of the Bush arms sales to Muslims.

    Of course, when you are the world's biggest arms dealer, you expect to get bitten in the arse sometimes. The US was supplying the Taliban with arms and money right up to May 2001.
    How Washington Funded the Taliban | Ted Galen Carpenter | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary
    Yet the Bush administration did more than praise the Taliban's proclaimed ban of opium cultivation. In mid-May, 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell announced a $43 million grant to Afghanistan
    Fair chance that cash was used to fund the 9/11 attacks.

    The also export arms to countries actively engaged in terrorism and other naughty things like recruiting child soldiers.

    Terrorism - Arms Exports and Child Soldiers
    That link gives a list of arms sales to 16 out of 18 countries listed as having terrorist groups working there. Some of the list is way dodgier than others.
    Whatever way round, as long as US workers have jobs and arms sales go only to the countries that are against today's US enemy, who give a flying fuck about tomorrow?

    After all, Iran's US supplied F$, sorry, F4's are way out of date now so the US supplied Saudi F15s could shoot them down easily.
    Unless the equally dodgy Saudi royal family get booted out by an extremist group who declare an Islamic republic, join forces with Iran and shoot the living crap out of Israel with the US supplied kit as the taliban are shooting down US helicopters with US suppied SAMs.
    Be happy dudes. It's a lot more fun than crying.

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    bitten in the arse

    To see if it's worth it, just see the results of the Bush arms sales to Muslims.

    Of course, when you are the world's biggest arms dealer, you expect to get bitten in the arse sometimes. The US was supplying the Taliban with arms and money right up to May 2001.
    How Washington Funded the Taliban | Ted Galen Carpenter | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary
    Yet the Bush administration did more than praise the Taliban's proclaimed ban of opium cultivation. In mid-May, 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell announced a $43 million grant to Afghanistan
    Fair chance that cash was used to fund the 9/11 attacks.

    The also export arms to countries actively engaged in terrorism and other naughty things like recruiting child soldiers.

    Terrorism - Arms Exports and Child Soldiers
    That link gives a list of arms sales to 16 out of 18 countries listed as having terrorist groups working there. Some of the list is way dodgier than others.
    Whatever way round, as long as US workers have jobs and arms sales go only to the countries that are against today's US enemy, who give a flying fuck about tomorrow?

    After all, Iran's US supplied F$, sorry, F4's are way out of date now so the US supplied Saudi F15s could shoot them down easily.
    Unless the equally dodgy Saudi royal family get booted out by an extremist group who declare an Islamic republic, join forces with Iran and shoot the living crap out of Israel with the US supplied kit as the taliban are shooting down US helicopters with US suppied SAMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug
    "We're not thrilled by the Saudi deal," an Israeli government official says, "but we can live with it because there's a clear commitment [by Washington] to maintain Israel's QME" -- qualitative military edge.
    Hence, it will be approved by Congress.
    Well, of course it will! Perpetual militarism and war is very big business. Bottom line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
    To see if it's worth it, just see the results of the Bush arms sales to Muslims.

    Of course, when you are the world's biggest arms dealer, you expect to get bitten in the arse sometimes. The US was supplying the Taliban with arms and money right up to May 2001.
    How Washington Funded the Taliban | Ted Galen Carpenter | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary
    Yet the Bush administration did more than praise the Taliban's proclaimed ban of opium cultivation. In mid-May, 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell announced a $43 million grant to Afghanistan
    Fair chance that cash was used to fund the 9/11 attacks.

    The also export arms to countries actively engaged in terrorism and other naughty things like recruiting child soldiers.

    Terrorism - Arms Exports and Child Soldiers
    That link gives a list of arms sales to 16 out of 18 countries listed as having terrorist groups working there. Some of the list is way dodgier than others.
    Whatever way round, as long as US workers have jobs and arms sales go only to the countries that are against today's US enemy, who give a flying fuck about tomorrow?

    After all, Iran's US supplied F$, sorry, F4's are way out of date now so the US supplied Saudi F15s could shoot them down easily.
    Unless the equally dodgy Saudi royal family get booted out by an extremist group who declare an Islamic republic, join forces with Iran and shoot the living crap out of Israel with the US supplied kit as the taliban are shooting down US helicopters with US suppied SAMs.
    Hold on, did peace loving muslims purchase these weapons? Equally dodgy Saudi Royals? Yes...welll....uhmmm....yes.

    Are these Islamic nations incapable of controlling their terrorist citizens?

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    Now can you imagine that this Peace Prize Winner has requested $548.9 billion for his Peaceful Country the Department of Defensefor for FY 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
    To see if it's worth it, just see the results of the Bush arms sales to Muslims.

    Of course, when you are the world's biggest arms dealer, you expect to get bitten in the arse sometimes. The US was supplying the Taliban with arms and money right up to May 2001.
    Oops, you forgot to mention that Clinton was in power for eight years when the sales were made. Gee, Bush had been in office about four months in May 2001. Wonder why he stopped the sales?

    Let's take a look at who sells arms, shall we?

    15 March 2010
    The US remains the world's top arms exporter, accounting for 30% of the total, followed by Russia (23%), Germany (11%), and France (8%).
    Britain, with 4%, saw a fall in the volume of its exports, as the delivery of 72 of its Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft to Saudi Arabia was only just getting under way in the period covered by the report.
    Germany's arms exports have risen by more than 100%, mainly because of sales of armoured vehicles, says the report.


    Worldwide arms trade flourishing despite recession, report warns | World news | guardian.co.uk

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    It's aimed at Iran really. I'm no fan of the Saud's, but I don't have a particular problem with this arms sale. Don't see why Israel would either, although they still managed to extract some baksheesh from it. The Saud's are no friends of Iran, and are quite paranoid about their growing regional influence since the Iraq war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It's aimed at Iran really. I'm no fan of the Saud's, but I don't have a particular problem with this arms sale. Don't see why Israel would either, although they still managed to extract some baksheesh from it. The Saud's are no friends of Iran, and are quite paranoid about their growing regional influence since the Iraq war.
    Can anyone translate this into something logical, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It's aimed at Iran really. I'm no fan of the Saud's, but I don't have a particular problem with this arms sale. Don't see why Israel would either, although they still managed to extract some baksheesh from it. The Saud's are no friends of Iran, and are quite paranoid about their growing regional influence since the Iraq war.
    Can anyone translate this into something logical, please?
    Israel tells the U.S. what they can sell to the Saudis.
    Saudis is getting second class jet fighters.
    Can trust the Saudis only half way. After all they are muzzies.

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    all muslim terror will stop the day the western world drop a bomb at a black cube in saudi arabia on one of those days where milions of muslims are pilgrims just to state an example

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    Good to see he stuck to his guns !

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeden View Post
    all muslim terror will stop the day the western world drop a bomb at a black cube in saudi arabia on one of those days where millions of muslims are pilgrims just to state an example
    Might work. No worse than burning a koran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred
    Of course, when you are the world's biggest arms dealer, you expect to get bitten in the arse sometimes. The US was supplying the Taliban with arms and money right up to May 2001.
    your point is? taliban never attacked american before america attacked them. before the invasion they even offered to deliver osama. Theonly conditions being: a neutral country for the trial and a public hearing!!!

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    Surely Obama is arranging for the planes to run on solar power...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smeden View Post
    all muslim terror will stop the day the western world drop a bomb at a black cube in saudi arabia on one of those days where millions of muslims are pilgrims just to state an example
    Might work. No worse than burning a koran.
    or burning my countrys flag for some cartune drawings long live the rigth to say and write what you mean

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    Why is President Obama being blamed for this? he didn't wake up one day and just say let's go sell some arms to Saudi Arabia. If I am to believe the paranoid wackos of teakdoor, Mr. Obama is a zionist puppet, so he shouldn't be excited at the prospect of an arms sale, particularly since the vested interests in the arms industry tend to align themselves with the Republicans. on the other hand, there are those paranoid teakdoor members that insist Mr. Obama is a non U.S. born citizen muslim so this probably plays into that part of their conspiracy. Must present quite a problem for the Obama haters and Israel haters. Which conspiracy camp to line up with. If the Saudis want to buy some expensive jets that will cost them billions to maintain, let them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smeden View Post
    all muslim terror will stop the day the western world drop a bomb at a black cube in saudi arabia on one of those days where millions of muslims are pilgrims just to state an example
    Might work. No worse than burning a koran.
    Are you fukin stupid or what??? Just from a self-preservation stance... What do you think the results would be for those nice self-rightous folk that droped such a bomb??? The bombed would just put up with it, give up their religion and accept American suppremacy???

    Do yourself a favour, plug in your brain and try to help keep your kids alive; in the hope that their IQ's will be somewhat higher than yours...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aras View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred
    Of course, when you are the world's biggest arms dealer, you expect to get bitten in the arse sometimes. The US was supplying the Taliban with arms and money right up to May 2001.
    your point is? taliban never attacked american before america attacked them. before the invasion they even offered to deliver osama. Theonly conditions being: a neutral country for the trial and a public hearing!!!
    Firstly, wasn't it Clinton that refused to accept bin Laden's head when it was offered by Sudan, and on the basis that he didn't know what to do with it?

    In any case yours is a flimsy attempt to resist the standard tactic of preemption. For example, though everything was being thoughtfully prepared as a set piece in 1967 to eliminate Israel, the Arab armies did not actually attack. Does this mean Israel's so called "preemptive strike" was wrong, illegal, and or immoral? Keep on mind that closing the Straits of Tiran was itself an act of war which justified any action by Israel.

    If U-Thant had the balls to stand up to Nasser there would have been no conflict, not without Egypt, so perhaps it is true he expected a swift and effective invasion to rid the world of Israel.

    As for the Taliban, they'll be back in power with new improved vigour just as soon as the US formally surrenders, starting next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1 View Post
    Why is President Obama being blamed for this? he didn't wake up one day and just say let's go sell some arms to Saudi Arabia. If I am to believe the paranoid wackos of teakdoor, Mr. Obama is a zionist puppet, so he shouldn't be excited at the prospect of an arms sale, particularly since the vested interests in the arms industry tend to align themselves with the Republicans. on the other hand, there are those paranoid teakdoor members that insist Mr. Obama is a non U.S. born citizen muslim so this probably plays into that part of their conspiracy. Must present quite a problem for the Obama haters and Israel haters. Which conspiracy camp to line up with. If the Saudis want to buy some expensive jets that will cost them billions to maintain, let them.
    Come now Ziggy, some TD members are as you say certifiable but I'm sure none are so far gone as to believe Obama is a non-US born Muslim Zionist puppet.

    Next you'll be saying he's an America-hating Socialist.

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