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    Vitamin B is revolutionary new weapon against Alzheimer's Disease

    Vitamin B tablets could slow and even halt the devastating march of Alzheimer's Disease in the elderly, a breakthrough British study suggests.

    By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
    Published: 5:00AM BST 09 Sep 2010
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    The research showed that large doses of the supplement could halve the rate of brain shrinkage – a physical symptom associated memory loss and dementia in the elderly.

    The effects were so dramatic that the scientists behind the work believe it could revolutionise the treatment of the disease.

    Brain shrinkage or atrophy is a natural part of ageing but it is known to be accelerated in people with Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) – a kind of memory loss and forgetfulness – and Alzheimer's.
    Scientists at the University of Oxford conducted a trial on 168 people and found that taking high doses of three vitamin B supplements every day reduced brain shrinkage associated with dementia by up to 53 per cent.
    They said the results were so strong that it should open up a debate as to whether the tablets should be prescribed to everyone with MCI – half of whom develop Alzheimer's disease.
    MCI affects 16 per cent of people over 70 – 1.5 million people in the UK.
    Professor David Smith, a pharmacologist who co-authored the study, said the results were "immensely promising".
    "It is a very simple solution: you give someone some vitamins and you protect the brain," he said.
    "This is the first trial that has shown a glimmer of hope and success. It is the first one of its kind that has worked so clearly. I think it will change the whole direction of Alzheimer's research.
    "500 people a day develop Alzheimer's in the UK. If we can cut that down by just 10 per cent it will have a big impact. I personally believe that it will."
    The research, published in the journal Public Library of Science ONE, is controversial because it defies current scientific dogma about the way to tackle Alzheimer's.
    It suggests simply taking vitamins can achieve results that have so far evaded pharmaceutical companies, despite millions of pounds being spent on experimental dementia drugs.
    The brain naturally shrinks in volume as we get older and when you get to 60, it is shrinking by as much as half a per cent a year.
    But in those with MCI it is accelerates to one per cent a year and in Alzheimer's Disease by 2.5 per cent a year. This is accompanied by severe memory problems, slower thoughts and confusion.
    Current research centres around tackling so-called tangles in the brain which are thought to "silt up" the brain's thought processes.
    The team at the University of Oxford set out in a new direction – targeting the abnormal physical shrinkage of the brain.
    They knew that a substance called homocysteine, an amino acid found in the blood, was associated with this shrinkage.
    Elderly people with higher levels of homocysteine, had higher levels of brain shrinkage.
    They also knew that vitamin B regulated levels of homocysteine and that the more vitamin B in the blood, the lower the levels of the harmful amino acid.
    The researchers used an advanced magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) technique to study brain shrinkage in 168 volunteers over the age of 70 with diagnosed MCI.
    Over a period of two years, half were given a daily tablet containing high doses of the B vitamins folic acid, B6 and B12. The rest received a "dummy" placebo pill with no active ingredients.
    At the end of the trial the effects of the vitamin treatment were found to be dramatic, and most pronounced in participants who started out with the highest rates of brain shrinkage.
    On average, taking B vitamins slowed the rate of brain atrophy by 30 per cent, and in many cases reductions was as high as 53 per cent were seen.
    Prof Smith said: "This is a very striking, dramatic result. It's much more than we could have predicted.
    "It is our hope that this simple and safe treatment will delay the development of Alzheimer's disease in many people who suffer from mild memory problems."
    Although the trial was not designed to measure thinking ability, the researchers found that individuals with the lowest rates of shrinkage had the highest mental test scores.
    Prof Smith said it was still early to say exactly how vitamin B worked.
    "The treatment lowers homocysteine, lower homocysteine reduces brain shrinkage and that reduces cognitive decline," he said.
    The scientists stress that the doses of B vitamins used in the trial are much higher than would be obtained from diets and additives or normal health supplements.
    The "TrioBe Plus" pills, prescribed under medical supervision in Sweden but not available in the UK, contain around 300 times the recommended daily intake of B12 and four times recommended folate levels.
    However it is possible to copy the dose by buying three separate supplements from health food shops in Britain for as little as 10 pence a day.
    The long-term effects of taking big doses of the vitamins were not known, and there was some evidence that high folic acid intake could be linked to cancer, he said.
    While Prof Smith said anybody thinking of taking them should consult their doctor first, he personally felt they would be effective.
    He said: "These are big doses. Should we take it? The person must be worried about their memory and then I would recommend going to their doctor first. But if I had MCI I would take it."
    Professor Helga Refsum, his co-author at University of Oslo who is a visiting academic at Oxford, said more trials were needed but the evidence was strong.
    "As a scientist I am not happy with just one trial and there will be a large debate. But as a clinician sitting in front of a patient I would say vitamin B supplements are fairly safe, they are not expensive and what we have found here is extremely convincing. It is very difficult to argue against its use."
    The study was cautiously welcomed by other scientists although they said more studies were needed to back up the findings.
    Rebecca Wood, chief executive of the Alzheimer's Research Trust, which co-funded the study, said: "These are very important results, with B vitamins now showing a prospect of protecting some people from Alzheimer's in old age.
    "The strong findings must inspire an expanded trial to follow people expected to develop Alzheimer's, and we hope for further success.
    Chris Kennard, chair of the Medical Research Council's Neurosciences and Mental Health Board, which also provided funding, said: "The findings are very encouraging and we look forward to further research that is needed in order to test whether B vitamins can be recommended as a suitable treatment."
    Paul Matthews, Professor of Clinical Neurology, Imperial College, London said: “This well-conducted study adds substantial new data to previous information suggesting that dietary B vitamins could have beneficial effects on neurodegeneration with ageing."
    A spokesman for the Alzheimer’s Society said:"This is an interesting study which could change the lives of thousands of people at risk of dementia.
    "However, previous studies looking at B vitamins have been very disappointing and we wouldn’t want to raise people’s expectations yet, as we have not specifically seen any benefits in preventing the onset of the symptoms of dementia."

    Vitamin B is revolutionary new weapon against Alzheimer's Disease - Telegraph

    I seem to remember reading somewhere that large doses of Vitamin B can also be good for herpes sufferers .

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    Excellent, I can just eat lots and lots of Marmite.
    Darned if I can remember where I left it though.

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    So can I just eat lots of marmite instead ?

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    I think marmite contains vitamin B, can't remember for sure.
    Will that help?

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    I went off vit pills ages ago after reading some journo research that they're such low doses as to be virtually useless. Anyway the article doesn't mention recommended dosage, so will pick up some power stuff if I remember.


    Meanwhile on a lighter note, three sisters aged 92, 94 and 96, live in a house together. One night the 96-year-old draws a bath. She puts her foot in and pauses, yelling to the other sisters, 'Was I getting in or out of the bath?'

    The 94-year-old yells back, 'I don't know. I'll come up and see.' She starts up the stairs and pauses 'Was I going up the stairs or down?'

    The 92-year-old is sitting at the kitchen table having tea listening to her sisters; she shakes her head and says, 'I sure hope I never get that forgetful, knock on wood.' Then she yells, 'I'll come up and help you both as soon as I see who's at the door.'

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    ^^Marmite is not only renowned for its errr, distinctive flavour, but it's also a good source of B vitamins, completely vegetarian, is a low fat food and is very low in sugar.Marmite - Nutrition Marmite is not only renowned for its errr, distinctive flavour, but it's also a good source of B vitamins, completely vegetarian, is a low fat food and is very low in sugar.Marmite is not only renowned for its errr, distinctive flavour, but it's also a good source of B vitamins, completely vegetarian, is a low fat food and is very low in sugar.

    Have I just repeated that?

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    very good, keda
    I never heard that one before

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    I heard marmite has vitamin b, think I would rather die than eat that crap though, at least I think I would rather die, did I say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    The research showed that large doses of the supplement could halve the rate of brain shrinkage – a physical symptom associated memory loss and dementia in the elderly.
    Yes Marmite does contain vitamin B but for some it's already too late but don't be put off guys it's also supposed to be great as a mosquito repellent!

    Saying that there are some benefits with Alzheimer's not least that you get to f*ck a different woman everyday.

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    According to wikipedia Vitamin B is actually not one vitamin but a whole set of unrelated chemically unrelated vitamins. So vitamin B says exactly nothing.

    Over a period of two years, half were given a daily tablet containing high doses of the B vitamins folic acid, B6 and B12.
    The doses were very high in the study and cannot be taken through food or normal vitamin supplements. I would be very cautios about such things.

    Fortunately my memory was always poor so Alzheimer would not make an easily detectable difference for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    I think marmite contains vitamin B, can't remember for sure.
    Will that help?
    There was a thread a while back about vitamin B being good for Alzheimers. I'll send you a pm if I can find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    Originally Posted by Thetyim I think marmite contains vitamin B, can't remember for sure. Will that help? There was a thread a while back about vitamin B being good for Alzheimers. I'll send you a pm if I can find it
    Groannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...Thetyim was taking the piss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen View Post
    ^^Marmite is not only renowned for its errr, distinctive flavour, but it's also a good source of B vitamins, completely vegetarian, is a low fat food and is very low in sugar.Marmite - Nutrition Marmite is not only renowned for its errr, distinctive flavour, but it's also a good source of B vitamins, completely vegetarian, is a low fat food and is very low in sugar.Marmite is not only renowned for its errr, distinctive flavour, but it's also a good source of B vitamins, completely vegetarian, is a low fat food and is very low in sugar.

    Have I just repeated that?
    Marmite. Also well known for chemically added synthetic emulsifiers. Yes...quite healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney
    Yes Marmite does contain vitamin B but for some it's already too late but don't be put off guys it's also supposed to be great as a mosquito repellent!
    Do you spread it over your face ??
    I used to take some stuff, forget the name, that would clean the cobwebs in your brain and help your memory and brain function, it worked good except after the cobwebs were gone I realized my brain was a little empty

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    I heard marmite has vitamin b, think I would rather die than eat that crap though
    Agree, fortunately it can also be taken as an enema using a plastic syringe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney
    Groannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...Thetyim was taking the piss!
    Was I ?
    I don't recollect it, have you got a link please.

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    Consuming excess Vitamin B is linked to Osteoporosis, brittle bone disease. doubling up on the RDI is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    Originally Posted by Thetyim I think marmite contains vitamin B, can't remember for sure. Will that help? There was a thread a while back about vitamin B being good for Alzheimers. I'll send you a pm if I can find it
    Groannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...Thetyim was taking the piss!
    Groannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.... so was I . Try to keep up Rod. What are we talking about anyway ?

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    Here is the bad news. Beer inhibits the body from absorbing vitamin B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    Was I ? I don't recollect it, have you got a link please.
    Eat the Marmite!

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    VEGEMITE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    I heard marmite has vitamin b, think I would rather die than eat that crap though, at least I think I would rather die, did I say that.
    The trick is not to spread thick lumps of it on otherwise it tastes like the missus's period.

    The best source of vitamins you can get is from sun.

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