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    Turkey Genocide? - Surely NOT!

    Turkey seeks explanation from Iran over alleged genocide remarks

    Alarmed by reports that Iran's vice president said the events of 1915 constituted a "genocide," Turkey is seeking high-level explanation from Tehran.

    Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu spoke late Friday with his Iranian counterpart, Manouchehr Mottaki, who told him that Iran's position was in line with Turkey's stance on the issue.

    "I asked for an explanation from Mr. Mottaki," Davutoglu told journalists in the central Anatolian province of Karaman on Friday.

    The mass killings and deportation of Armenians during the waning days of the Ottoman Empire constituted 'genocide,' according to Iranian Vice President Hamid Baghaei. 'A hundred years ago the Ottoman Empire committed genocide against a certain number of Armenians,' he was quoted as saying by Iranian news agency IRNA.

    Davutoglu said the Turkish Foreign Ministry immediately contacted both the Iranian Embassy in Ankara and the Turkish Embassy in Tehran.

    Turkey's envoy to Tehran went to the Iranian Foreign Ministry to follow up on the issue. Later in the day, Davutoglu contacted Mottaki.

    Soon after the allegations, the Iranian Embassy in Ankara released a statement saying that the Iranian vice president's statements were not accurately reflected by some media outlets. The embassy stated that Baghaei commented on the subject only as a problem between Turkey and Armenia and that he did not express his opinions about the issue.

    During their telephone conversation, Mottaki told Davutoglu that the conference attended by the Iranian vice president was about World War II, not about World War I, while repeating that there was no change in Tehran's position regarding the events of 1915, the Turkish foreign minister said.

    But it appeared Friday that Davutoglu was not satisfied with Mottaki's assurance. He said he told his Iranian counterpart that Turkey was awaiting an explanation from Baghaei himself.

    "Mottaki told me that Baghaei will make an explanation," Davutoglu said.

    The Iranian vice president made the alleged remarks during a conference Iran, a bridge of success” on Wednesday.


    Turkey seeks explanation from Iran over alleged genocide remarks - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review

    One thing you gotta say about the Iranians is they got goolies, and that's more than one can credit the West with.

    Though it seems Tehran started easing off right away, the message was sent to the West that girlies won't get far in the New World Order, so our spineless leaders better start breaking out the testosterone.

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    Given that most turks believe in creationism and intelligent design its not that surprising that they have, as a nation, a high resistance to facts and common sense.

    I wonder what they do call it, "mear detail of history" seems popular with nazi holocaust deniers

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    Should we expect anything less? As historic revision and denial crosses all cultures. Skeletons are usually kept in their rightful closets.

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    well it is a bad choice to concentrate about the word genocide. This word has a fixed meaning ( at least un has a definition of the word) and in that light it is just almost impossible to prove " genocide" while the fact that at least 100's of thousand armenians have suffered death in cruel manners and there were elements of osmali ( ottomans ) establishment and the army which made this happen. This issue has a longer history and is more complicated than it seems but "" mass murder" has happened for sure which you might wanna call genocide.

    Turkish population in general is very far from being able to digest their history ant it will take time, though there is some progress in the last 15 years. They use the excuses available to them, like it was war many from all groups got killed, armenians cooperated with foreign armies, we are a young nation and should keep away from these issues which might seperate the groups within the nation etc etc etc

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    Ok I was wron ( actually arend jan boekestijn: right wing historian was wrong telling me this lol) Though the deffinition of un is importnant in the court but this seems more importnant to me

    Law professor Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term "genocide" in 1943, has stated that he did so with the fate of the Armenians in mind, explaining that "it happened so many times...

    quoted from Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Thank god we have wikipeia, where was it 10-15 years ago...............great times we live in
    mobile phones, downloading fre movies and music, wikipedia, google earth etc etc

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    Just seems odd that as you say the word 'genocide' was coined with the fate of the Armenians in mind, and yet ends up being defined by the UN in a way that does not cover the Armenian massacres.

    I'm sure it has nothing to do with the UN being little more than Islam's voice of authority, or that this was an ethnic and religious slaughter by a protected specie.

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