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    Supt Steve Nibloe, dick head,

    Hard shit if they do

    BBC News - Safety fears stops police pursuit of Altrincham thieves

    Police were ordered not to pursue motorbikes stolen from a showroom in Greater Manchester because the thieves were not wearing helmets.
    Officers instead watched as three people drove away on bikes worth 20,000 from the shop in Altrincham....

    ....Supt Steve Nibloe, of GMP, said: "When police officers attended to this incident, suspects were seen driving off on motorbikes.
    "The officers were asked not to pursue the suspects, as they were not wearing the correct safety equipment and were not wearing helmets, so it is clear to me the correct decision was taken.
    I think it's clear Supt Steve Nibloe is a dick head,

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    So if a person is raping a young girl and not wearing a condom nothing can be done. No PPe in place

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    Actually Supt Nibloe is correct in his assessment.

    Injuries to thieves (possibly serious in this case) due to a police pursuit concerning stolen motor vehicles can never be justified.

    Human life must always be of paramount importance in such cases.

    Police investigations may lead to the recovery of the bikes and the prosecution of offenders. If not then i suspect the company suffering financial loss would no doubt submit an insurance claim.

    Somewhat a better outcome than a death or serious injury.

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    If I was a criminal, I would go to England and never, ever leave. I could do anything I wanted, stay out of jail, sue those who arrested me, live in free housing, get on the dole, get free meds, and on and on. What a deal!

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    What do you mean 'if'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    If I was a criminal, I would go to England and never, ever leave. I could do anything I wanted, stay out of jail, sue those who arrested me, live in free housing, get on the dole, get free meds, and on and on. What a deal!
    Ah yes, but Smeg lives there and there's always the remote chance you might bump into him. One hell of a deterant to your otherwise good plan.

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    Could you imagine the rage, disgust and disappointment of being an ambitious young police officer and having to follow a stupid order such as this from an equally stupid supervisor?

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    I'm not sure why young police officers would feel let down by the supervisor. Most would have been professionally trained in pursuit tactics and realise the dangers involved in following criminals who have experienced no professional training at high speeds.

    Try knocking on a parents door to inform them that their son/daughter has just been killed in a road accident whilst being pursued by the police and see what sort of reaction one receives.

    The police have a duty of care where all human life is concerned not just innocent victims.

    They may not get it right all of the time but certainly in this instance the correct procedure was followed. To my knowledge this procedure was introduced into the UK police service prior to the year 2000, so nothing new

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    If I was a criminal, I would go to England and never, ever leave. I could do anything I wanted, stay out of jail, sue those who arrested me, live in free housing, get on the dole, get free meds, and on and on. What a deal!
    You have just about summed it up - but these privileges are only granted if you are not English.

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    I can see instances where danger to the innocent public can and should cool down a pursuit, but danger to the thieves no sir, they have thrown the dice, I can understand parents ect. being sad if the outcome went bad, but apart from that very few would care, and it is the greater publics interest the Police have to serve.

    This will be known and no thieves of expensive motorbikes will wear a helmet in the future and have a free pass to drive away with the goods.

    Saying the insurance will cover the loss is a neat way of making people believe that it wont hurt their pocket, but the truth is, that it is you and me and everybody else that pays in the end, and the normal income bracket insures that suffers most, because the insurance company covers their losses through higher premiums, so when 3 motorbikes becomes 3-5-10.000 a year because of this policy then it is no longer that damned funny.

    So IMO it is an unreasonable lenient PC policy by the Police-force in question, no doubt born from do-gooder pressure from the left of the political spectrum.

    Theft of property is, when seen as isolated incidents, from the ones it didn't concern, insignificant, and life and limb much more important, that first superficial thought seems quite reasonable, but if we look a bit closer theft is not only sometimes hugely tragic and distressing for the victims, much more so than the value of an object initially would indicate, it is also a very negative factor in life quality for people not feeling safe, and knowing they have no right to defend their property, but theft collectively is an enormous economic burden for society (you and me), costs in Policing, Police investigating, court expenses, insurance ect.

    So it really is no minor matter, and should be dealt with by Police with determination and no finer feelings as regards to injuries or death to the scumbags.

    I remember just one of these seemingly banal cases from my working life, where an elderly couple woke up in the morning to find their house had been burgled in the night, and the burglars had been in their bedroom while they slept, the wife got a nervous breakdown, and the husband died of a heart-attack, induced by stress because of his wife's condition, at her bedside at the hospital, the perps where never caught.

    Fuck'em I say if they get their heads bashed in trying to escape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    Human life must always be of paramount importance in such cases
    not if they're theiving cunts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    I remember just one of these seemingly banal cases from my working life, where an elderly couple woke up in the morning to find their house had been burgled in the night, and the burglars had been in their bedroom while they slept, the wife got a nervous breakdown, and the husband died of a heart-attack, induced by stress because of his wife's condition, at her bedside at the hospital, the perps where never caught.

    With respect Lars, the incident you quoted is not related to a high pursuit of thieves on a public road.

    By chasing offenders the public/other road users lives are put at risk. We all realise that the thieves are breaking the law and are criminals but to put them and other peoples lives in extreme danger merely to recover property could never be justified.

    With regard to the financial loss by insurance company's being passed on to the public, yes, i agree but then the tax payer would also be indirectly liable for hospital treatment/death and any compensation awarded relating to the victims/famlies resulting from the thoughtlessness, even recklessness of the police.

    For the pursuit trained police it is a bitter pill they have to swallow but they themselves are aware of the consequences of such actions. I would also add that although not in direct pursuit of the criminals, they may have information to hand that would lead them to the discovery of the property/criminals within a very short period of time, without fear of loss of life/injuries and i suspect that all would agree that this is the better path to follow.

    For the person that redded me over this issue, i do not write police regulations or standard operating procedures, i am merely the messenger and was attempting to explain the position the Supt and other officers found themselves in when faced with such an incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jizzybloke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    Human life must always be of paramount importance in such cases
    not if they're theiving cunts!
    Greened.

    I had an 8 month old bike stolen some years ago. The police nabbed the bastard and the court gave him a community sentence. I gave him some fist when I found the fucker. His brother tried to help him and ended up with a fat lip and a black eye for his trouble. Last I heard they were both drug dealers in Rotherham.

    Had the little git died riding my bike, I would have considered it worth it.
    Be happy dudes. It's a lot more fun than crying.

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    Fred, i find it difficult to believe that anyone could justify the death of someone for stealing a motorcycle and just hope it is unconnected with your conversion to Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    Fred, i find it difficult to believe that anyone could justify the death of someone for stealing a motorcycle and just hope it is unconnected with your conversion to Islam.
    It can be justified, not because of anything in Al Qur'an, but because they are fucking idiots. If they ride a stolen bike without helmets, fuck me, that's Darwin at work nor religious teachings.

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    ^ We clearly have different views on the value of a human life

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    what if your motorbike what then same same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    ^ We clearly have different views on the value of a human life
    Some lives have value and some don't. I've often been angered seeing the police in America chasing some idiot at high speed just for a known traffic violation, but my concern has been limited to the innocent people on the road, not the idiot who is causing the danger. Yes, in those cases they should have the good judgment to let the suspect go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    ^ We clearly have different views on the value of a human life
    They made a choice to put themselves in danger.

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    Pursuing criminals at high speed puts everyones life in danger Fred, not just the criminals.

    I suspect that we are all in agreement that the thieves should be caught and and serve a just punishment.
    Risk of death, in this case, however, can never be seen as a just punishment for stealing a motorcycle, which incidentally has no personal ownership.

    To advocate that a person should suffer serious injury/death for stealing property would be seen as an extreme view in a civilised society.

    Fortunately, the UK Police Force has long time since considered the risk of endangerment to life in such instances as avoidable. Long may it continue

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    Motorbike chase-row police make two arrests

    Motorbike chase-row police make two arrests

    Published Date: 16 August 2010
    Police who were ordered not to chase motorbike thieves because of health and safety fears for the raiders have made two arrests, the force said last night.
    The three-strong gang were not wearing crash helmets when they roared off on stolen motorbikes worth 20,000 following the raid at a showroom.

    In line with national police policy, officers do not give chase to suspects on motorbikes if they are not wearing helmets because it is deemed too dangerous to the rider.

    The gang fled on a Yamaha R1, a Honda 1000 Fireblade and a Honda CBR 600 following the raid at the MMC motorbike shop in Altrincham, Cheshire.

    Last night two men aged 26 and 24 were arrested on suspicion of theft and bailed pending further inquiries until September 10.

    One of the bikes has also been recovered, Greater Manchester Police said.

    Officers had reportedly seen the raiders but when they contacted their inspector for guidance he ordered them not to pursue as none of the suspects were wearing helmets.

    Stung by criticism, the force defended their actions and said their officers were merely following national policy for all forces.

    Superintendent Steve Nibloe said: "When police officers attended to this incident, suspects were seen driving off on motorbikes.

    "The officers were asked not to pursue the suspects, as they were not wearing the correct safety equipment and were not wearing helmets, so it is clear to me the correct decision was taken.

    "Greater Manchester Police follows a nationwide policy which gives clear guidance that motorbikes should not be pursued because of the higher risk of injury to the rider.

    "Detectives are pursuing a number of positive leads." Motorbike chase-row police make two arrests - Yorkshire Post

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    The arrests were a waste of time as it turns out.

    BBC News - No helmet motorbike theft suspect killed in Manchester
    A man killed in a motorbike crash in south Manchester was a suspected thief who police previously refused to pursue because he was not wearing a helmet.
    Bobby Carl Hodgkins was one of two men held after the raid on a showroom in Altrincham last month.
    That's a bit of tough shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred
    They made a choice to put themselves in danger.
    The same as those Turkish aid delivering twats, a few weeks ago, but you chose to defend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
    The arrests were a waste of time as it turns out.

    BBC News - No helmet motorbike theft suspect killed in Manchester
    A man killed in a motorbike crash in south Manchester was a suspected thief who police previously refused to pursue because he was not wearing a helmet.
    Bobby Carl Hodgkins was one of two men held after the raid on a showroom in Altrincham last month.
    That's a bit of tough shit.
    Higher Justice?? apparently also God thought the English Police policy on scum like this too lenient and decided to take matters into his own hands

    > welcome Mate> enjoy your stay



    PS. just kidding here, I have no faith in any kind of higher powers.
    Last edited by larvidchr; 07-09-2010 at 06:11 PM.

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    What you fail to mention is that some of the bikes have been recovered, two suspects arrested and bailed.

    Given that the uk has something called forensic science, which goes beyond using a magic gt200, its not as necessary to put lives at risk in a police chase to catch people red handed, as it would be in thailand. And be honest, chasing these guys is not going to be that productive unless you are on a bike too and you are prepared to chase them down pavements weaving between pedestrians. Are three bikes worth risking a bystanders life?

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