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    Australia - You can tell police to 'Fuck Off'

    It's OK to tell police officers to 'f*ck off'


    A QUEENSLAND magistrate has ruled that it is acceptable for people to tell police officers to "f*ck off".

    Magistrate Peter Smid yesterday threw out the court case against Mundingburra man Bardon Kaitira, 28, who swore at a female officer outside the Consortium night club on December 20, last year at 2.40am, The Townsville Bulletin reports.

    Constable Belinda Young gave evidence that Mr Kaitira used the swear word twice towards her after a group of officers patrolling Flinders St East poured out his girlfriend's drink.

    "The defendant said 'f*ck off' and starting walking away and I asked: 'What did you say?'," she said.

    "He said 'f*ck off" again and then said: 'I don't like the police you think you are all heroes'.

    "I told him it was an offence to swear at an officer and gave him two choices - a fine or be arrested."

    Mr Kaitira opted to be put in handcuffs and taken to the watch house.

    After winning the landmark case he explained outside court why he pleaded not guilty - despite admitting to swearing at Constable Young.

    "On the night it was completely over the top and I didn't think it was fair," Mr Kaitira said.

    "Most people just cop a fine but I didn't want to do that."

    The defendant instead read through hundreds of similar legal cases before employing a leading criminal barrister and a solicitor to take on his public nuisance case at a cost of $4622.11.

    It was worth it for the horticulturist as Magistrate Smid said he was not satisfied Mr Kaitira committed an offence and police could be liable for his legal bills.

    "The defendant spoke normally, he had his hands in his pockets and walked away," Magistrate Smid said.

    "It's not the most polite way of speaking but those who walk the beat would be quiet immune to the words."

    The magistrate said overall the conduct of the defendant was not a nuisance to the public because it didn't interfere with fellow night club goers.

    "It was overkill by the officer who was not offended anyway," Mr Smid said.

    "But she pursued him clearly annoyed he hadn't shown remorse."

    Defence barrister Justin Greggery said the case was "doomed to fail" from the start, arguing that saying the f-word to police was "not an offence".

    "It was simply f*ck off - a common enough expression which wasn't descriptive like f*ck you or you f*ck," he said.

    "Really the word has lost its affect due to its use in books, films, and general speech."

    Mr Greggery added that police were trying to criminalise language, which set a dangerous precedent.

    "When they try to set the bar this low they are saying the word f*ck is criminal conduct," he said.

    "This is language they use themselves on the job (while arresting offenders and to other officers)."

    However, police prosecutor Sergeant Richard Scholl argued Mr Kaitira's code of conduct was offensive and stinging towards the policewoman.

    "He displayed behaviour and made jibes with the intention to insult. Police should be shielded from this type of language and the community cannot accept it's OK for a private citizen to tell police to f*** off," he said.

    Queensland Police Union President Ian Leavers agreed and called for an urgent appeal of the case, which could set a precedent in Queensland law.

    "It is a sad day when the courts and government say it is OK to use four letter words at police," he said.

    "To say it's OK to use offensive language at police in the street, who are just doing their job makes, no sense at all."

    Mr Smid will decide today whether the Queensland Police Service will cover Mr Kaitira's legal bills, which legal counsel later reduced to $2527.50 after a successful outcome.

    By law the maximum amount that can be reimbursed is $1500.

    The case follows that of Sydney student Henry Grech, who was cleared in May of an offensive language charge against police after a local court magistrate ruled the word "prick" was part of every-day speech.

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    police think they are above the laws, they aren't, above all when the majority of the force is made of stupid fuckers who deserve to be insulted

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    10 will get you 5 he loses on appeal , short odds on a nasty accident too

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    Oh sh*t, swearers hit with $100 fines
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    June 16, 2010


    If you can't keep it clean, you better tape it shut as police now have powers to issue $100 fines for the offence

    Source: AAP

    THOUSANDS of people could be slapped with fines for offences that would never have attracted police attention in the past under sweeping reforms to police powers.

    Experts fear swearing in public, with a fine of $100, will be a major money spinner and could become the weapon of choice for frustrated officers on the beat.

    Queensland Premier Anna Bligh announced the new powers for the state's police to issue on-the-spot notices for public nuisance offences.

    Ms Bligh said the move would increase efficiency, save time and fast-track more important matters in the courts by stopping minor public nuisance offenders from clogging the justice system.

    She said the measures, targeting offences such as public urination, disorderly conduct and abusive language, would save the Government between $18 million and $30 million.

    The power to issue on-the-spot fines of between $100 and $300 could result in public nuisance prosecutions soaring 20 per cent, based on figures from a 12-month trial in South Brisbane and Townsville.

    In 2008-2009 terms, that could see 5500 more people slapped with the offence across Queensland each year.

    Ms Bligh said it was hard to estimate if the 20 per cent increase would hold true right across the state.

    She attributed it to police having more time "on the beat" because the on-the-spot powers saved hours compared to the time spent processing an arrest.

    But an evaluation of the trial by Griffith University said evidence existed that, given on-the-spot powers, police were more likely to issue tickets in situations unlikely to be considered criminal before the courts.

    The NSW Ombudsman said the problem particularly concerned police fining people for swearing, saying: "The words spoken would not be considered offensive if the matter was to be determined by a court."

    Queensland Council of Civil Liberties president Michael Cope said the powers were a concern when it came to offensive language and would see public nuisance offence rates soar.

    "This will become the thing police just slap on someone whenever they aren't happy," Mr Cope said. "No one will fight them and ultimately people who are homeless or young will bear the brunt of this."

    Trial figures showed 1 per cent of those charged had appealed.

    Police Minister Neil Roberts said inappropriate behaviour in public places was not acceptable and would not be tolerated.

    The legislation will be introduced to Parliament later this year, with the new powers to take effect by 2011.

    news.com.au

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    Not much respect there, it appears. Hope the police tell these folks to fek off when they need help.

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    Something is wrong in the head of those magistrates, "fuck off" and "prick" normal language!!, I'd like to see them say "fuck off you prick" to a lawyer or a defendant in their court rooms, this case will be a looser for Mr. Kaitira on the prosecution appeal.

    And those magistrates really should rethink their understanding of acceptable behaviour, maybe they have kids at home, wonder if they say "fuck off you prick" when they ask them a question, and whether they would think that is just normal language and perfectly acceptable.

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    The point is, is that is saying "fuck off you prick" a criminal offence?
    Here is a senario.
    Go to London and say nothing other than fuck off to everyone you meet, EVERYONE.
    Follow this though in your heads and see where it leads.

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    There are precedents for this ruling in New Sout Wales at least.
    After the stew relating to the dark feller's death in Palm Island lockup, the language doesnt seem too strong at all.

    Queensland's finest already have a sullied record over the past 30 years, especially during the Bjelke Petersen years.


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    She should now get a large amount of money for false arrest and the cop who arrested her should be disciplined or fired. "Contempt of cop" never has been a crime in any real democracy.

    Drop dead is probably a better thing to say in case children are listening. We would not want them to hear "dirty words."

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    It is an interesting area, linguistically. The fact is that language changes, so 'Fuck off' does not have the same meaning today as it did 5, 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Thirty years ago calling a Policeman a punk would have put you in jail, not so today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    Something is wrong in the head of those magistrates, "fuck off" and "prick" normal language!!
    This is Australia. Perfectly normal day to day language there. :P

    Police goes on a power trip, policing what people can say or not - they deserve to be bitch-slapped. Whoops. I hope the law wins.

    The day that "fuck off" is a criminal offense is the day when 50% of the country could get a fine any given day - what's the point in that? What if perps started filing complaints against police every time they use the f-word. How much fun would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    It is an interesting area, linguistically. The fact is that language changes, so 'Fuck off' does not have the same meaning today as it did 5, 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Thirty years ago calling a Policeman a punk would have put you in jail, not so today...


    A punk is a person who picks on those who are less powerful then he is, and sucks up to those above him. Seems like an adequate description for many police officers, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    The point is, is that is saying "fuck off you prick" a criminal offence?
    Here is a senario.
    Go to London and say nothing other than fuck off to everyone you meet, EVERYONE.
    Follow this though in your heads and see where it leads.
    You could be arrested for
    ' behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace'

    Depending on the area of London you could be sectioned for your own safety.

    Or invited into the pub to join the rest of the spurs fans, on replying to invite 'fuck off' you would be assumed to be an arsenal fan then theres no hope for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    The point is, is that is saying "fuck off you prick" a criminal offence?
    Here is a senario.
    Go to London and say nothing other than fuck off to everyone you meet, EVERYONE.
    Follow this though in your heads and see where it leads.
    You could be arrested for
    ' behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace'

    Depending on the area of London you could be sectioned for your own safety.

    Or invited into the pub to join the rest of the spurs fans, on replying to invite 'fuck off' you would be assumed to be an arsenal fan then theres no hope for you.
    Why? Any Arsenal fan could take a pub full of tiny totts pussies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    The point is, is that is saying "fuck off you prick" a criminal offence?
    Here is a senario.
    Go to London and say nothing other than fuck off to everyone you meet, EVERYONE.
    Follow this though in your heads and see where it leads.
    You could be arrested for
    ' behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace'

    Depending on the area of London you could be sectioned for

    Tyour own safety.

    Or invited into the pub to join the rest of the spurs fans, on replying to invite 'fuck off' you would be assumed to be an arsenal fan then theres no hope for you.
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    Constable Belinda Young gave evidence that Mr Kaitira used the swear word twice towards her after a group of officers patrolling Flinders St East poured out his girlfriend's drink.
    This is what I don't quite understand. Does this mean that they poured his girlfriends drink away? And why?

    Now, if I had a drink and some random tit-head came along and decided that he would pour it away for no particular reason then I'd have a few choice words to say myself.

    However, if the said copper was trying to be helpful by serving a drink to find that the girlfriend got arsey about having too much tonic in the gin, only then to also be told to fuck of by the fella for incompetent bar skills then one must side with the copper.

    Shoddy reporting really.

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    We have to keep things within context here and I dont believe that if a policeman/woman came up and poured out your friends drink on the ground then to tell them to f..ck off would be an offensive comment. I was not there but I could easily believe that it was an act of provocation by the police officer in the first place by pouring out the drink. I could also easily believe that the officer then wanted to further bait the situation by staring the aboriginal in the eyes awaiting a verbal response and when they got one they pounced.
    I praise the magistrate for seeing what I believe to be the real situation here....give the bloke his costs back and another full can of bundy and coke as compensation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    It is an interesting area, linguistically. The fact is that language changes, so 'Fuck off' does not have the same meaning today as it did 5, 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Thirty years ago calling a Policeman a punk would have put you in jail, not so today...
    It depends where you live. In holland, 5, 10, 20 or 30 years ago you wouldn't even get a fine but now you get a 300 euro fine i believe. You can tel him personally to fuck off but not him as a officer or say a similar thing about the police (force)!!?? I don't really know how that works? I try not to have anything to do with the police, even my neighbour who is a policeman lol.

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    used to be a time not long ago, that they would just slap the shit out of you. I like that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ossierob View Post
    We have to keep things within context here and I dont believe that if a policeman/woman came up and poured out your friends drink on the ground then to tell them to f..ck off would be an offensive comment. I was not there but I could easily believe that it was an act of provocation by the police officer in the first place by pouring out the drink. I could also easily believe that the officer then wanted to further bait the situation by staring the aboriginal in the eyes awaiting a verbal response and when they got one they pounced.
    I praise the magistrate for seeing what I believe to be the real situation here....give the bloke his costs back and another full can of bundy and coke as compensation!
    Yes lets try to keep things in context, to me it sounds like the person in question was either drinking in a public place where that is not allowed/and or being to drunk, rather than arrest her/site her for a public disorder offense, the nice Officer decided to pour the drink out on the ground and leave it at that, the boyfriend then decided to interfere and told the Officer to fuck off, twice, that is interfering with the Police working, causing a public disturbance and verbal assault, not to mention comprehensively missing that his girlfriend had just been given a break.

    Where I come from "a decent democracy" the public have the right to demand that public Officials speak polite and behave according to the law, but likewise public Officials going about their duty to serve the public, are protected by the law, they are not verbal garbage-cans for every maladjusted "punk" that feels like offloading verbal abuse and display his inability to function socially acceptable.

    It is always a judgment call by the Officers, and normally they will let things like that slide in situations, where the Officers know they have initiated severely stressing the individual in question, or the situation is causing considerable stress to an individual, Fire, Accident, Arrest ect ect.

    On the other hand when it comes down to pissing off territory out on patrol, it can be necessary to show certain individuals, that the Officers have the right to be where they are, and to do their job, without interference or intimidation from the local tough guy, bums, criminals or drunken teens. It is if you like a kind of social guidance and education, and very necessary for Officers to be able to preform their duty's, without being assaulted and interfered with, starting with words then things thrown ect. it has to be nipped in the butt if possible.

    The Magistrate in question obviously never have left his comfy Office (or recently was slapped with a speeding ticket), and fail's completely to understand the working environment and the dynamics of Policing.

    I personally would not like to live in a place where foul language becomes the norm by all party's, when dealings go on between the Public, and the Officials employed by same, to service the community.

    "licence and registration you fucking prick" - "fuck off why" - "because you where going to fucking fast you idiot" - "Fuck you, show me your fucking proof or fuck off" ect. ect. Is that how it is supposed to be in Australia from now on? then you can keep it down under.
    Last edited by larvidchr; 09-08-2010 at 10:16 AM.

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    police think they are above the laws, they aren't, above all when the majority of the force is made of stupid fuckers who deserve to be insulted
    And who do you run to for help and protection when your in trouble - cretin!
    People like you should be labelled not permitted to reproduce.
    If I was a copper i'd give the game away and let F...wits like you beat each other to death or crash and burn in a rollover.
    Wait until you get a little older and some idiot pea brained twit wants to run you off the road or knocks your dad out of his wheelchair to steal his pension money and your left wondering why the cops aren't interested because the piece of crap responsible is a juvenile who just tells them to "F"off and the dozey dope magistrate says it's ok!
    You really pi...d me off - wanker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    police think they are above the laws, they aren't, above all when the majority of the force is made of stupid fuckers who deserve to be insulted
    And who do you run to for help and protection when your in trouble - cretin!
    People like you should be labelled not permitted to reproduce.
    If I was a copper i'd give the game away and let F...wits like you beat each other to death or crash and burn in a rollover.
    You really pi...d me off - wanker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Thirty years ago calling a Policeman a punk would have put you in jail, not so today...

    30 years ago the cops would of kicked your arse for being disrespectful and got away with it but in these politically correct times it cant be done. Shame that, many of these conts deserve a good kicking.

    As far as the muppets saying the cops deserve it as there scum who is the first people they call when the shite hits the fan ?

    They call the foking cops don't they.

    Foking girls should sort there own problems if they think cops are scum.
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    The whole curse a copper thing is all out of perspective - you respect the uniform as the representative of the law - not the man wearing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ossierob View Post
    We have to keep things within context here and I dont believe that if a policeman/woman came up and poured out your friends drink on the ground then to tell them to f..ck off would be an offensive comment. I was not there but I could easily believe that it was an act of provocation by the police officer in the first place by pouring out the drink. I could also easily believe that the officer then wanted to further bait the situation by staring the aboriginal in the eyes awaiting a verbal response and when they got one they pounced.

    Nowhere in the reports I read was "aboriginal" mentioned - they were drinking illegally in a public place and refused to comply with the police instruction to desist and move on - they refused at first.

    I praise the magistrate for seeing what I believe to be the real situation here....give the bloke his costs back and another full can of bundy and coke as compensation!
    Yes lets try to keep things in context, to me it sounds like the person in question was either drinking in a public place where that is not allowed/and or being to drunk, rather than arrest her/site her for a public disorder offense, the nice Officer decided to pour the drink out on the ground and leave it at that, the boyfriend then decided to interfere and told the Officer to fuck off, twice, that is interfering with the Police working, causing a public disturbance and verbal assault, not to mention comprehensively missing that his girlfriend had just been given a break.


    On the other hand when it comes down to pissing off territory out on patrol, it can be necessary to show certain individuals, that the Officers have the right to be where they are, and to do their job, without interference or intimidation from the local tough guy, bums, criminals or drunken teens. It is if you like a kind of social guidance and education, and very necessary for Officers to be able to preform their duty's, without being assaulted and interfered with, starting with words then things thrown ect. it has to be nipped in the butt if possible.

    The Magistrate in question obviously never have left his comfy Office (or recently was slapped with a speeding ticket), and fail's completely to understand the working environment and the dynamics of Policing.

    I personally would not like to live in a place where foul language becomes the norm by all party's, when dealings go on between the Public, and the Officials employed by same, to service the community.

    "licence and registration you fucking prick" - "fuck off why" - "because you where going to fucking fast you idiot" - "Fuck you, show me your fucking proof or fuck off" ect. ect. Is that how it is supposed to be in Australia from now on? then you can keep it down under.
    Our Judicial system is a joke - talk about the wild west!

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