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    Muslims to run 'Anti-terrorism' Camp in UK

    6 August 2010 Last updated at 23:55 GMT



    Muslim group Minhaj ul-Quran runs 'anti-terrorism' camp
    By Dominic Casciani BBC News home affairs correspondent
    Dr Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri says he feels it is his duty to 'save' young Muslims from extremism
    A Muslim group is holding what it calls the UK's first summer camp against terrorism.
    The three-day event in Coventry is expected to see more than 1,000 young Muslims at sessions teaching religious arguments to use against extremists.
    The event has been organised by the Minhaj ul-Quran to promote a fatwa, or religious ruling, against terrorism by its leader Dr Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri.
    Dr Qadri launched the fatwa in London in March.
    'Spiritual war'
    The populist Pakistani cleric's 600-page theological study is billed by his followers as the most comprehensive and clear denunciation of the arguments deployed by jihadists to justify violence including suicide bombings and the targeting of civilians.
    The summer camp at Warwick University, which begins on Saturday, will concentrate on this document and will include debates and talks.
    Participants will be asked to join "a spiritual war" against al-Qaeda's recruiters.
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    I feel it is my duty to save the younger generation from radicalisation and wave of terroristic recruitment in the West”
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    Minhaj ul-Quran, the international organisation set up by the cleric, argues that many traditional Muslim organisations have been too timid in taking on jihadist ideology, unintentionally leaving youngsters bewildered and susceptible to brainwashing.
    The organisation, which is expanding in the UK, argues that there has to be a more public stand against extremism, underpinned by a sound understanding of what Islam says about violence.
    'Radicalisation'
    Speaking ahead of the event's launch, the cleric said: "I have announced an intellectual and spiritual war against extremism and terrorism. I believe this is the time for moderate Islamic scholars who believe in peace to stand up."
    "I feel it is my duty to save the younger generation from radicalisation and wave of terroristic recruitment in the West."
    Dr Qadri, now based in Canada, is not the first preacher to speak out against terrorism - but his followers hope his fatwa will become the most influential document in circulation.
    The UK's largest umbrella body, the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), has repeatedly called together scholars and preachers to denounce extremism.
    But critics say that some of the MCB's leaders have no moral authority to preach to youngsters because they have been equivocal about violence in the Middle East.


    Source - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk

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    A Muslim group is holding what it calls the UK's first summer camp against terrorism.
    Wonder if they would allow christians and catholics to hold summer camps against terrorism? Or would that be racist or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    A Muslim group is holding what it calls the UK's first summer camp against terrorism.
    Wonder if they would allow christians and catholics to hold summer camps against terrorism? Or would that be racist or something?
    Come on. These guys are trying to do something positive to stop terrorist bastards recruiting kids into extremism.
    "Muslims" are always being knocked for doing nothing about the extremist minority so we should support this effort.
    Be happy dudes. It's a lot more fun than crying.

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    Better late than never

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred
    "Muslims" are always being knocked for doing nothing about the extremist minority so we should support this effort.
    Agree.

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    I have a green ready for Dr Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri when he joins TD

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    They'll be passing round wacky backy, singing Carpenters songs and making banners that say "Make Curry not War"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt View Post
    They'll be passing round wacky backy, singing Carpenters songs and making banners that say "Make Curry not War"
    The wacky backy would be haram, the carpenters were mostly crap but the curry is an excellent idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    A Muslim group is holding what it calls the UK's first summer camp against terrorism.
    Wonder if they would allow christians and catholics to hold summer camps against terrorism? Or would that be racist or something?
    Nor racist but unnecessary
    This may be a glimmer of hope for the possability of peace and commonsense to prevail.
    Maybe this is the first step by those mythical "moderates" to prove they exist and are in sufficient numbers to have a voice?

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    Mr Obama should immediately pass his Nobel Peace Award to this man.

    Qadri should also receive massive funding from governments to recruit more disciples in order to pass on his 'anti-terrorism' teachings.

    Will he be seen as the modern day 'Jesus'? Time and results will tell, meanwhile we all commend your actions sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiguy View Post
    Maybe this is the first step by those mythical "moderates" to prove they exist and are in sufficient numbers to have a voice?
    I have been pointing this out on Muslims forums for a while. I hope it's getting through.
    As Muslims we are obliged to promote Islam (or at least do nothing bad for it) so it's a good move and very much Islamic to make a lot of noise against the terrorist bastards.

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    While I generally hate Muslim bastards, this seems like a breath of fresh air. I won't get too opimistic, though.

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    A positive maneuver for the Muslims. But is it totally sincere or merely a 'softener', i.e., a lid placed a pot of simmering disgust for any non-Islamic humans?
    I'm quite open to gestures of respect both to and from any persons while I can't forget how easily most Muslims in Thailand can be identified by their inability to smile.
    I once partook of breakfast at a Muslim restaurant in BKK. The place was clean as a whistle and its fare so spicy, it was the first time I had steam venting from my ear-holes while a crusty patina formed upon the edges of my nostrils at 7AM.
    I hope they're as open-minded as some of us attempt to be.
    With due respect to all concerned.

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    The nature of this beast does not change, if you are not a Muslim then you are an infidel, it is as simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo333 View Post
    The nature of this beast does not change, if you are not a Muslim then you are an infidel, it is as simple as that.
    So how exactly do you explain the many Muslim run parties I attended along with a lot of other non muslims (at that time)?
    These were social events run by Muslim groups but for anyone that wanted to wander in. No preaching, no naughtiness, just friendship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    Lots of booze flowing, plenty of mixed-gender dancing, lots of pork products in the buffet?

    I bet it was a cracking night.

    muslim social events.

    HA HA HA.

    It's the most miserable, controlling religion on the planet, and it sounds like you're claiming people really let their hair down.

    Islam doesn't want to "spread its message" it wants to control EVERYONE.
    No pork as it's haram for Muslims. There was booze at the last one as it was in a sports club and the bar was open. That has also applied to other bashes that have been held in function rooms. oddly enough a party can go pretty well without all the guests having to get smashed out of their heads. Most didn't bother with the booze even though there was nothing stopping them.
    If you need booze to have a good time, see a doctor.
    Yep. People had a really good time. Disco and dancing were the order of the evening. Of course there was mixed dancing but no getting pissed and shagging in the bogs. That last party was the one I did a disco for. The party finished early as some fucking idiot (Non Muslim) got pissed and started a fight with a kid who was just 15 years old. The bloke in question was a big fellow of about 40 or so.
    Perhaps it would have been better if the bar was closed. That was my last job as a DJ and I was hoping it was going to be a cracker. Pity about that fat drunken bastard ruining it for everyone.
    Guess what. The only bad event I've ever seen at a Muslim party was started by a middle class, white English bloke.
    Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    You really are a special needs case.

    They can't have been very devout muslims partying with alcohol in the room. So I think you're missing out a few key facts, like for example they were not devout muslims, as much as I was christened as a child and get described as a "christian" when in fact I'm a complete atheist.

    I don't just think islam is contemptible. The US jesus wheezers are just as bad.
    First to the insult. Please carry on. It just shows the value of your arguments.

    Now to the alcohol. Many Muslims here go to restaurants, karaoke clubs and so on where alcohol is easily available. Most I know simply choose to drink something else but have nothing against others taking it.
    Then they aren't proper muslims, they're just fucking hypocrites.

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    As hypocritical as adulterous Christians, Buddhist butchers, meat eating Hindus.

    It's so old it's hardly worth mentioning.

    First they're too extreme, then they're hypocrites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
    Now to the alcohol. Many Muslims here go to restaurants, karaoke clubs and so on where alcohol is easily available. Most I know simply choose to drink something else but have nothing against others taking it.
    Guess that's why Haad Yai does such good biz in girly bars -- alcohol, naked women, sex in the back room. Yep, good honest mozzies who still attack Western women on the street.

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    Careful what you say, I hear Mr Fred is on first name terms with William Hague.


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    I don't know what type of Muslims you guys associate yourselves with.
    But I never met a Muslim in real life I particularly disliked. Maybe you
    guys take the news way too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordechai View Post
    I don't know what type of Muslims you guys associate yourselves with.
    But I never met a Muslim in real life I particularly disliked. Maybe you
    guys take the news way too seriously.
    That's what I'm starting to believe as well. None of them has lived in a Muslim country or knows a single one.

    What the know and believe about the eating/ food laws is downright superstition, unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordechai View Post
    I don't know what type of Muslims you guys associate yourselves with.
    But I never met a Muslim in real life I particularly disliked. Maybe you
    guys take the news way too seriously.
    That's what I'm starting to believe as well. None of them has lived in a Muslim country or knows a single one.

    What the know and believe about the eating/ food laws is downright superstition, unbelievable.
    Oh.

    But the daily mail is full of information

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    Actually I was a little hasty in my assumption that none of the posters on here have ever lived in a Muslim country. But even then, comparing a place like Saudi Arabia with a relatively stable and very moderate place like Turkey or Indonesia is like comparing apples with oranges.

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