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    Conservatives: come off benefits and we'll make work pay

    Jobless people who choose to come off benefits and go to work will no longer lose out financially under the biggest shake-up of the welfare system for decades.

    By Andrew Porter, Political Editor
    Published: 9:49PM BST 29 Jul 2010


    Waiting game: job seekers outside a Jobcentre Plus branch in central London

    Ministers want to end the “illogical” situation where people are effectively paid to remain unemployed because state benefits are more valuable than wages.

    Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, will announce a series of reforms today that are intended to ensure that low earners will always be better off in employment.

    The measures are part of wider moves to cut the number of people who are dependent on benefits.The Government says the reforms represent the most radical transformation of the system in many years.
    They are in a document that will form the basis of a White Paper to be published this autumn and herald the end of Labour’s complicated tax credits system, with many benefits being rolled into one.
    “After years of piecemeal reform the current welfare system is complex and unfair,” the former Conservative Party leader will say in a speech on Friday.
    For many people, taking a job leaves them no better off than a life on benefits, and this has trapped significant parts of our society in inter-generational worklessness and entrenched poverty.
    “The complexity of the system also creates risk and uncertainty for the people in society who most need stability. We want to simplify the system to make it clear that work will always pay.”
    Mr Duncan Smith says there are five million people who have been “abandoned on out-of-work benefits”. Of those, 1.4 million have been on benefits for nine or more of the past 10 years.
    The document, 21st Century Welfare, will form the basis of Mr Duncan Smith’s attempts to cut the welfare budget by getting more people into work, although there are initial costs associated with his plans.
    It now appears that he is on the verge of convincing George Osborne, the Chancellor, to fund the estimated £3billion required.
    Officials from his department will meet Treasury colleagues to thrash out what can be afforded.
    One key aim is to give the unemployed an incentive to get a job. Currently, some families lose more than £1 in benefits for every extra £1 they would earn at work.
    The Government believes that because of the effect of “marginal tax rates” — the combination of withdrawn benefits and the tax on earned income — millions of people calculate that it is simply not worth taking a job.
    One example cited by Mr Duncan Smith involves the case of a lone parent with three school-age children earning £7.50 an hour as an office administrator.
    Working 23 hours a week, he says, she would have a net weekly income (including benefits and tax credits) of £345 after paying rent and council tax. However, if she were to increase her hours to 34 a week she would get only about £10 more due to a loss of benefits.
    It is proposed that “entitlements” are tapered so that when earnings — net of tax and National Insurance — are not significantly above what a claimant would get on benefits, they are topped up by payments. Ministers want a system where claimants would be better off by up to 40p in every pound extra they earn.
    As part of his efforts to make low-paid jobs worth taking, the Work and Pensions Secretary is looking to merge existing unemployment and in-work benefits with a “universal credit”.
    To improve the incentive for low earners to get a job, the document says people entering work “would ideally see no reduction in their universal credit until they earn over a certain level”.
    It aims to end the complexity that requires the Department of Work and Pensions to issue 14 manuals, comprising nearly 9,000 pages, to help guide those who make decisions on what benefits people are entitled to. The proposals also include changing the benefits system to make it more automated.

    Conservatives: come off benefits and we'll make work pay - Telegraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai View Post

    Ministers want to end the “illogical” situation where people are effectively paid to remain unemployed because state benefits are more valuable than wages.
    I actually know several people to whom this absurdity applies and even they say they would welcome a change that would make it ' safe ' to return to work. One friend explained that up until now, a return to work would mean vacating his flat and going back to live with his parents since the loss in income would mean he had insufficient money to pay his rent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai View Post

    It now appears that he is on the verge of convincing George Osborne, the Chancellor, to fund the estimated £3billion required.
    Officials from his department will meet Treasury colleagues to thrash out what can be afforded.
    And thats the small print. Given the current financial situation , this probably won't get off the ground.

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    Best answer may be to slash dole payments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Best answer may be to slash dole payments.
    And start a civil war

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    I didn't read the the op.

    Just Cameron breaking the political ground and digging his own personal grave.
    They all do it eventually.

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    How much do you get on the dole? Gotta live with mummy or a bunch of other dole takers? This is not good for anyone's self-esteem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    How much do you get on the dole? Gotta live with mummy or a bunch of other dole takers? This is not good for anyone's self-esteem.
    Not sure because I could never get it ( being white, hetrosexual and of English stock etc ) as if you have saved while you worked and have more than 3000 in savings you are disqualified.. I did try once though and the booklet of questions you have to fill in is very daunting. Makes the Bible look like a flier.

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    Looks like a step in the right direction to fix all of Labour's fuck-ups.

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    I'm all for cutting the welfare bill, but let's start where it will not hurt.

    Why should a couple earning, let's say GBP60K a year get child benefit?
    Why should someone retired and living overseas get a winter fuel allowance?
    Why should someone on a pension of, say over GBP1K a month get a free bus pass, a free TV license?
    Why is the rent support being used to support people who have bought into the buy to let business?
    Why is it that most of the small cars sold by the local Ford dealer in the town I was brought up are bought by the Welfare office for free issue to people in a town which has a very adequate bus system?
    Why is it that our local golf club is awash with Public service workers who 'Retired early on the grounds of ill health"?


    People living on the dole get a lot of abuse, but when you look at where the money goes, an awful lot goes to people who do not need it.

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