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    Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe to never leave prison

    Peter Sutcliffe received 20 life terms for the murder of 13 women and the attempted murder of seven others in Yorkshire and Greater Manchester.

    Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe must spend the rest of his life behind bars, the High Court ruled today.

    The decision was announced by Mr Justice Mitting, sitting in London.

    Now known as Peter Coonan, the 63-year-old former lorry driver, from Bradford, West Yorkshire, was convicted at the Old Bailey in 1981.

    He received 20 life terms for the murder of 13 women and the attempted murder of seven others in Yorkshire and Greater Manchester.

    The judge ruled that "early release provisions" were "not to apply".

    Mr Justice Mitting said he had read statements by relatives of six murdered victims.

    "They are each moving accounts of the great loss and widespread and permanent harm to the living caused by six of his crimes.

    "I have no doubt that they are representative of the unspoken accounts of others who have not made statements.

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    "None of them suggest any term other than a whole life term would be regarded by them as appropriate."

    In Sutcliffe's case, a judge had recommended he serve a minimum of 30 years behind bars.

    His name was not on a Home Office list, published in 2006, of 35 murderers serving "whole life" sentences and he was given no formal minimum term - which is the least a prisoner must serve before becoming eligible to apply for release on parole.

    He is currently being held in Broadmoor top security psychiatric hospital after being transferred from prison in 1984 suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.

    It was on July 5 1975, just 11 months after his marriage, that he took a hammer and made his first attack on a woman.

    Sutcliffe is said to have believed he was on a "mission from God" to kill prostitutes - although not all of his victims were sex workers - and was dubbed the Yorkshire Ripper because he mutilated their bodies using a hammer, a sharpened screwdriver and a knife.

    He spent nearly all of his years in custody at Broadmoor after being diagnosed as mentally ill, but refused treatment until 1993 when the Mental Health Commission ruled it should be given forcibly.

    A judge recently refused to allow fresh psychiatric evidence to be admitted as part of the tariff-setting exercise, although he said it could be considered in relation to his conduct post-sentence.

    Mr Justice Mitting said: "This was a campaign of murder which terrorised the population of a large part of Yorkshire for several years.

    "The only explanation for it, on the jury's verdict, was anger, hatred and obsession.

    "Apart from a terrorist outrage, it is difficult to conceive of circumstances in which one man could account for so many victims.

    "Those circumstances alone make it appropriate to set a whole life term."

    Richard McCann, whose mother was murdered by the Ripper, said he supported the decision.

    He told Sky News: "I'm relieved with the judgment and quite emotional hearing it but relieved is probably what would describe the way I'm feeling right now.

    "Some doctors might say that he's a low risk but the very fact there is any risk at all would suggest that he shouldn't be released but I don't think that comes into it.

    "I think what comes into it is what he did, the impact he had on the families of the women that died and those that survived, the lifelong impact."

    Mr McCann, speaking outside the Royal Courts of Justice, said: "We have been feeling this moment for many years - the fear that he might get released."

    The judge's ruling had given him a "sense of relief".

    Mr McCann expressed the hope that the same decision would be reached on any appeal launched by Sutcliffe.

    He described the judge's decision as a "small victory for my mum" and the other victims.

    Mr Justice Mitting said he had "no doubt" the "appropriate term is a whole life term".

    The "brutality and gravity of the offences speak for themselves".

    The primary submission made on behalf of Sutcliffe was that the degree of his responsibility "was lowered by mental disorder or mental disability".

    The judge said the diagnoses of psychiatrists who had considered his mental condition was that he was "suffering from encapsulated paranoid schizophrenia when he committed the crimes and that his responsibility for the 13 killings was, in consequence, substantially diminished".

    He added: "These propositions were, however, unquestionably rejected by the jury.

    "As a matter of principle, it is for the jury, not the judge, to decide whether a person's responsibility for killing is diminished by reason of mental abnormality.

    "The burden of proof is on the defendant. Unless he discharges that burden by satisfying the jury on balance of probabilities that his responsibility was substantially diminished, he is guilty of murder.

    "It is not, in my opinion, open to a judge, setting a minimum term, to go behind the verdict of the jury by concluding that, although the defendant's responsibility was not proved to have been substantially diminished, he should be given the benefit of the doubt for the purpose of setting the minimum term, by concluding that it might have been."

    The judge said a report from Dr Kevin Murray, the psychiatrist who has been in charge of Sutcliffe's care since 2001, revealed that in July 1993 the killer was started on anti-psychotic medicine and "has persevered with it ever since".

    He had "thrice been the subject of assaults, two of them serious".

    "In the second assault, his right eye was put out. In the third, an attempt, in the event unsuccessful, was made to put out his left eye," said the judge.

    Mr Justice Mitting went on: "He has been well-behaved and has posed no threat to other inmates.

    "Jehovah's Witnesses who have befriended him for over 15 years are emphatic that he now shows remorse for his crimes.

    "In the opinion of Dr Murray and his colleagues, he suffers from a chronic treatable mental illness for which he has been willing to accept appropriate treatment, which has successfully contained it for many years.

    "Their view was endorsed by the First-Tier Mental Health Tribunal on July 7 2010, which found that his treatment had produced 'complete remission of his positive symptoms'.

    "It was satisfied that the improvement 'now requires to be tested in conditions of lesser security' and that it would be deleterious to his mental health and well-being if he were to be returned to prison.

    "The tribunal's view confirms the sharp difference which has always existed between the jury's verdict and the views of those responsible for the respondent's (Sutcliffe's) mental health."

    The judge said he did not accept that any reduction from a whole life term would be appropriate on the ground of "exceptional progress".

    Whole life tariff

    He ruled that it was more likely than not that, if the Home Secretary had set a tariff for Sutcliffe, it would have been a whole life tariff.

    "The very clear impression which I have is that this case comes right at the top of the range of cases in which the Home Secretary has set a whole life tariff.

    "Only Rosemary West and Dennis Neilsen approach the number of victims murdered.

    "Even they did not reach the total number of the respondent's victims."

    Asked about Sutcliffe showing remorse, Mr McCann said: "I would argue strongly against that.

    "Four or five years ago I wrote to Peter Sutcliffe to give him the opportunity of showing some remorse."

    Mr McCann, whose mother Wilma was murdered, said he had written in the hope of getting some kind of "closure".

    He said: "I felt some remorse from him would help me. He did not take me up on the opportunity

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    but refused treatment until 1993 when the Mental Health Commission ruled it should be given forcibly.

    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    he suffers from a chronic treatable mental illness for which he has been willing to accept appropriate treatment
    ........??? Somebody is telling porkies.

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    Of course he has a mental condition..If it was normal to go out and kill 13 women then the world would be full of men with naff beards and scary eyes....!!!


    But then again.........maybe it will...

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    Let him rot. I'm ashamed to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Let him rot. I'm ashamed to say.
    No...Somebody should calculate a daily average of hammer blows based on the period of his attacks divided by how many blows to the head with a hammer it takes to kill 13 women....Sort of like a myth busters experiment....Then he should receive the average daily dosage of hammer blows to the head untill he dies...

    Um..bit like stoning really....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    Peter Sutcliffe received 20 life terms for the murder of 13 women
    20 life terms is a damn long time, be about 1,600 years old before release.
    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    a judge had recommended he serve a minimum of 30 years behind bars.
    erm, so a life term is 1 1/2 years then? Why isn't a life term for life?

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    Commonsense has prevailed.

    Good.

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    Common sense has indeed prevailed, life really should mean life..

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    Did anyone honestly think he would get out? All thats happened is, someone has let the general public know he will never get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Let him rot. I'm ashamed to say.
    Let him rot. I'm not ashamed to say.

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    The English taxpayers are a hardy lot. Compassionate too. Tt was rather decent of them to ensure that the Ripper, ooops 'scuze me, this poor troubled wayward lad, would be cared for into his golden years. With the current economic climate causing many decent people to go without work and their children to be wanting, I say good show..................................


    However, perhaps they should have asked him if he wanted to give back to society. Something in R&D perhaps? You know, something along the lines of checking out the theory that if one flaps his arms, one can fly. They should have taken him to the top of the Tower of London and tested the theory.
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    Due to his mental health improving, a judge ruled he should be moved to a less secure unit. Where he could be eligible for day release.

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    if i saw him sitting on a bus then i would have to get off and walk.
    one man spook department.

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    If only this was made clear by all the courts ( life means exactly that Life ) mabe people would think twice,,knowing the outcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    Due to his mental health improving, a judge ruled he should be moved to a less secure unit. Where he could be eligible for day release.
    Probably an Australian magistrate moonlighting on holiday?

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    Send Sutcliffe to Saudi Arabia and let him "rip" to his heart's content. He'll get along well with his fellow murderers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremia
    No...Somebody should calculate a daily average of hammer blows based on the period of his attacks divided by how many blows to the head with a hammer it takes to kill 13 women....Sort of like a myth busters experiment....Then he should receive the average daily dosage of hammer blows to the head untill he dies... Um..bit like stoning really....


    Quote Originally Posted by superman
    Where he could be eligible for day release.
    I'm sure that there will be many people there waiting to kindly offer him a lift.....


    Don't think I'm saying that he should get out by any means...it's the only decent pic' I could find.

    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid
    if i saw him sitting on a bus then i would have to get off and walk.
    Pussy.... I'd kick the old gits head off....what is he 63...he ain't going to put up much of a defense...take your time and enjoy yourself...

    Quote Originally Posted by nigelandjan
    maybe people would think twice, knowing the outcome
    Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.....they wouldn't...deterents don't seem to work...just look at history...many years ago in the UK we'd hang you and quarter your ass...people still murdered and raped etc, etc....people will never stop silly shit..
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