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    Polanski Freed, Extradition to US Refused

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010...ml?_r=1&emc=na

    Polanski Extradition to U.S. Is Blocked by Switzerland

    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

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    Filed at 8:06 a.m. ET

    BERN, Switzerland (AP) -- The Swiss government has rejected a U.S. extradition request for Roman Polanski on a charge of having sex in 1977 with a 13-year-old girl.
    The Justice Ministry said Monday in a statement that national interests were taken into consideration in the decision, and that Polanski was now a free man.

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    Big mistake. I believe he's a real pedo.

    Here the Swiss could have done some fence mending with America and they throw away the chance.

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    As the US did not come up with the neccesary Papers to prove there case, it was time to let him go. Probably told the Swiss how can they dare to ask prove of what almity USA is accusing Polanski.

    It was also a good way to piss at the leg of the US, as they did it many times to the Swiss.

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    US law does not apply in every other country around the world (except for the ones they are invading at the time). If the US didnt meet the Swiss legal requirements for extradition under their joint treaty then thats a legal matter, not a moral matter re the offence. Polanski has already admitted to the crime of paedophilia with a 13 year old girl back in USA back in 1978. But part of the plea bargain was a light sentence and he says he fled the US because he believed the judge was going to renege on the deal. It all gets a bit turbid.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10609084

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    Well I assume this has to do with the specifics of the case - as it's so long ago etc. I'd trust the Swiss courts more than pretty much any other court in the world. There are rules and laws, and they must be followed.

    Polanski is still a pedo, his art doesn't make up for it. It wouldn't make up for it even if he was the best artist in the world. If you think otherwise, just read the court transcripts, they're out in the public now. Pretty disgusting, even though 40 odd years ago. I read it on smoking gun some time back as I wanted to know what's behind all this. IMO it's the real deal. The USA have no choice but to keep trying to get him extradited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    US law does not apply in every other country around the world (except for the ones they are invading at the time). If the US didnt meet the Swiss legal requirements for extradition under their joint treaty then thats a legal matter, not a moral matter re the offence. Polanski has already admitted to the crime of paedophilia with a 13 year old girl back in USA back in 1978. But part of the plea bargain was a light sentence and he says he fled the US because he believed the judge was going to renege on the deal. It all gets a bit turbid.

    BBC News - US 'disappointed' by Swiss Polanski extradition ruling
    Maybe those plea bargain laws are a bit shaky? I mean if I enter a plea bargain, then the judge turns around and doesn't honor it, what are my options? Am I out of luck? Surely there must be something in writing, or some ways to ensure the plea bargain is upheld by the judge in the case? With what Polanski is saying - and the USA is not denying, BTW - it seems like there's nothing to guarantee the plea bargain agreement is adhered to by both sides.

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    This has nothing to do with a competition between Switzerland and the US, people should look past such rubbish, but it has all to do with protecting children against abuse and sending the signal that no matter how famous/infamous or rich we will eventually get you if you molest children.

    So sad news and nothing for Switzerland to be proud off IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    This has nothing to do with a competition between Switzerland and the US, people should look past such rubbish, but it has all to do with protecting children against abuse and sending the signal that no matter how famous/infamous or rich we will eventually get you if you molest children.

    So sad news and nothing for Switzerland to be proud off IMO.
    Actually, it has everything to do with the way extradition laws are interpreted by the courts and NOTHING to do with the crime. Its about the process of extradition not about the crime of paedophilia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    This has nothing to do with a competition between Switzerland and the US, people should look past such rubbish, but it has all to do with protecting children against abuse and sending the signal that no matter how famous/infamous or rich we will eventually get you if you molest children.

    So sad news and nothing for Switzerland to be proud off IMO.
    Actually, it has everything to do with the way extradition laws are interpreted by the courts and NOTHING to do with the crime. Its about the process of extradition not about the crime of paedophilia.
    Like America gave a f**k about the original crime. The "victim" has been saying for years "Leave me and him alone, it's over" and yet they keep raking it up. There are probably still teenage girls sniffing coke and sucking cock at parties all over LA to this day. Half of them will go on to do well in some aspect of the movie business.

    Well good on you Switzerland for telling them to f*ck off. The only victim left in this case was Polanski, and the only one doing the victimising is the good old "greatest country in the world", carrying out a witch hunt to show that "no one can hide!" (except Osama. And that other bloke. And that one from Hizbollah. And the Afghani one).

    Still, Polanski won't be leaving France again in a hurry, but at least he'll get his 4.5 million euros back.

    But really, do you have nothing better to spend taxpayers money on? Like finding out how much tax money the Bush family have personally purloined via Kellogg, Halliburton and the Carlyle Group?

    I'm sure the taxpayers would get a much better return on that one. Shame it wouldn't bring back all those American soldiers that Bush Jr. sent to their deaths while lining the family pockets.

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    Polanski the victim?

    What does the case have to do with Bush Jr. or Afghanistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    This has nothing to do with a competition between Switzerland and the US, people should look past such rubbish, but it has all to do with protecting children against abuse and sending the signal that no matter how famous/infamous or rich we will eventually get you if you molest children.

    So sad news and nothing for Switzerland to be proud off IMO.
    Actually, it has everything to do with the way extradition laws are interpreted by the courts and NOTHING to do with the crime. Its about the process of extradition not about the crime of paedophilia.
    Panda we must assume that laws are being followed, but if Countries have laws that hinder extradition to other decent democracies with good solid judiciaries there is something wrong with those laws.

    In this case the US prosecutors clearly have a solid case of a despicable crime committed.

    When a legal immaterial technicality hinders Justice it's always a loss for society, although there is no choice but to follow the law to the letter, and the Issue must be solved so it doesn't happen again.

    And regardless if the victim herself want the case or not that is not up to her to decide and quite rightly so

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    Serious case my arse, it's a publicity stunt by America and it backfired.

    Curare under his fingernails next, it will look like a heart attack.


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    Not read the full story but it sounds like the US fucked up the paperwork.
    While the kiddie fiddling bastard clearly deserves a kicking it sounds like the US justice system does too.
    As for Polanski. First class creep and I'm bloody sure that lass wasn't a one off. Makes my skin crawl.
    Be happy dudes. It's a lot more fun than crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
    Not read the full story but it sounds like the US fucked up the paperwork.
    While the kiddie fiddling bastard clearly deserves a kicking it sounds like the US justice system does too.
    As for Polanski. First class creep and I'm bloody sure that lass wasn't a one off. Makes my skin crawl.
    I don't think his films were all that, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
    I believe he's a real pedo.
    Oh well if you believe that we can send judges to a vacation and hang him to the nearest tree then

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred
    Makes my skin crawl
    and your face green of envy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    And regardless if the victim herself want the case or not that is not up to her to decide and quite rightly so
    why ? why should it be up to you ? It's her arse the one that got fucked, not yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wefearourdespot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    And regardless if the victim herself want the case or not that is not up to her to decide and quite rightly so
    why ? why should it be up to you ? It's her arse the one that got fucked, not yours.
    Because we do not let victims decide if crimes committed against them should be prosecuted or not, the reasons are obvious, victims can be intimidated not to want prosecution, could be paid off by the criminals ect ect. not only the victim herself is at stake but also the prevention of future crimes being committed, by the same perp or by others, crime prevention is a Government matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wefearourdespot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
    I believe he's a real pedo.
    Oh well if you believe that we can send judges to a vacation and hang him to the nearest tree then
    You're a bit of a moron aren't you?

    Do people need to speak real slow when they're telling you what to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post

    Actually, it has everything to do with the way extradition laws are interpreted by the courts and NOTHING to do with the crime. Its about the process of extradition not about the crime of paedophilia.
    "Panda we must assume that laws are being followed, but if Countries have laws that hinder extradition to other decent democracies with good solid judiciaries there is something wrong with those laws.

    In this case the US prosecutors clearly have a solid case of a despicable crime committed.

    When a legal immaterial technicality hinders Justice it's always a loss for society, although there is no choice but to follow the law to the letter, and the Issue must be solved so it doesn't happen again.

    And regardless if the victim herself want the case or not that is not up to her to decide and quite rightly so[/quote]"



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    Note the part of your post I have highlighted there Larv.

    Its not about Polanskis guilt. Its about the legalities of the extradition process.

    Are you trying to say that the Swiss have as you say-- "laws that hinder extradition to other decent democracies with good solid judiciaries"?
    The Swiss may disagree with you that their democracy is not as "decent" as USA or their judiciary is not as 'solid.'

    The US judicial system may be seen as the ultimate standard by citizens of USA , but by standards of other countries, it is just another country. That is of course unless it has some social/political military influence over that other country, which in Switzerland's case it does not.

    Perhaps the fault is not with the Swiss justice system, but with the way in which the Americans presented their case. You have to remember that the case for extradition is being heard in Switzerland and subject to international agreements and guidelines. Its not just a case of what the USA wants, it gets.

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    Its not just a case of what the USA wants, it gets.
    That's all this is about. It's like when that little brat vandal in Singapore was sentenced to be caned. The USA were up in arms bleating about it, when the rest of the world said "cane the little bastard and teach him a lesson".

    The United States embassy in Singapore pointed out that the graffiti damage that Fay made on the cars was not permanent, but caning would leave Fay with physical as well as long-term emotional scars.
    Indeed. Of course, the fact he was American and not Polish probably contributed.

    Well, to quote the Mexican cop in "The Falcon and The Snowman" (or David Bowie in the theme song): This is not America.

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    Excuse me there Harry. What you fail to realize is that most Americans have no idea about the rest of the world and expect the people in other countries to believe everything presented on US TV as they do. Perhaps the reason why the average American is regarded as such a
    loud mouth imbecile by most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    US law does not apply in every other country around the world (except for the ones they are invading at the time). If the US didnt meet the Swiss legal requirements for extradition under their joint treaty then thats a legal matter, not a moral matter re the offence. Polanski has already admitted to the crime of paedophilia with a 13 year old girl back in USA back in 1978. But part of the plea bargain was a light sentence and he says he fled the US because he believed the judge was going to renege on the deal. It all gets a bit turbid.

    BBC News - US 'disappointed' by Swiss Polanski extradition ruling
    I was of the understanding that the said victim {Samantha Geimer - 45} has been rather indifferent as pursuing prosecution, wanted the cased dropped, etc. She is even glad to find Polanski off the hook today. The legal intensity and obsession derives from the American prosecutors and politicians.

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    Last edited by Rural Surin; 14-07-2010 at 07:08 PM. Reason: duplicate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Excuse me there Harry. What you fail to realize is that most Americans have no idea about the rest of the world and expect the people in other countries to believe everything presented on US TV as they do. Perhaps the reason why the average American is regarded as such a
    loud mouth imbecile by most people.
    I don't know about the imbecile bit, but the loud mouth is the easiest way to tell there's one in your vicinity.

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