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Raoul's death was a public execution on live TV': Fury of Moat's brother after six-hour stand-off ended in suicide

By Paul Sims
Last updated at 12:42 AM on 12th July 2010



atching 'a public execution'.
'I think I'm probably the only person who's ever watched his brother die on national television in the UK, which is obviously horrific,' said 39-year-old Angus Moat.


He criticised officers for twice using a 50,000-volt Taser gun and said the shock of it could have produced an ' involuntary' movement which led to his younger brother pulling the trigger of the sawn-off shotgun wedged under his chin.





Horrified: Angus Moat (left) has likened his brother Raoul's (right) death to a 'public execution'
'I'm thinking - you discharge a Taser on a man who is soaked to the skin in a rainstorm, who has got a gun pointed at his head, with his finger on the trigger?


'He's going to go into muscle spasm. He's going to have an involuntary reaction and pull the trigger, and he's going to die and he might not necessarily have ever wanted to. There is just something not right about all this.'


Mr Moat, a Newcastle tax inspector who had drifted apart from his brother when they were in their 20s, described him as a 'friendly, generous soul' who was 'a loyal and lovely guy'.


They had both endured a 'fairly dysfunctional' family. Both men did not know their real fathers - who were not named on their birth certificates - and were largely brought up by their grandmother.


During the stand-off, Moat's deteriorating mental state became apparent when he said: 'I have no dad and nobody cares about me.'
Angus (left) and Raoul Moat aged 4. Angus described his brother as a 'friendly, generous soul' who was 'a loyal and lovely guy'




Mr Moat said the image of his 37-year-old brother being a 'Terminator, Rambo character, a psycho' could not be further from the truth. He said he wanted to go to Rothbury after police had cornered his brother but they told him this could inflame the situation. He refused to believe that and insisted he could have talked Moat into giving himself up.


'Since then I've seen footage of him in his last hours and he was a broken man, he's crying about his lack of family, that he's got no father, that nobody loves him,' he said.


'If the police are so keen to get this defused and they want to talk him down and negotiate and his family are figuring so prominently in what he is saying, then why didn't they go for that option?'
Police officers hold evidence bags containing an orange and blue t-shirt which were recovered near to a make shift campsite used by Raoul Moat




Mr Moat was left to watch the events unfold on television - until the moment a gunshot was fired at 1.15am on Saturday.
He said he felt 'powerless' as broadcasters relayed blow-by-blow accounts of the six-hour stand-off.


'You've got this constant round-the- clock rolling news,' he said. 'It's like they're working up to what could be a public execution in modern Britain of my little brother.'

Whilst admitting that Moat's actions had been 'horrendous', he said he loved his brother dearly.


'He's obviously under a lot of stress, psychological pressure. You know, this is my brother who's not a psycho killer like some of the press have been suggesting. He was a person, he's a brother, he's a son, he's a father.'







CCTV still (left) of Raoul Moat in a Newcastle shop during his time on the run wearing the orange t-shirt which was discovered close to the campsite



Mr Moat said that when he heard a shot he hoped a police sniper had injured his brother and that he would be sedated and taken to hospital.


He was still hoping that to be the case until paramedics wheeled the stretcher from the ambulance and he could see a blanket covering his face.


'I'm thinking, they don't cover a live person with a blanket, especially one who maybe has serious head injuries or something.


'I was just devastated.'

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Mr Moat, a Newcastle tax inspector who had drifted apart from his brother when they were in their 20s,

he said he loved his brother dearly.

so where was the grief stricken brother, during rambos lost and lonely years, when some family contact might have been useful.

You know, this is my brother who's not a psycho killer like some of the press have been suggesting. He was a person, he's a brother, he's a son, he's a father.'

.....and whatsmore hes a musclebound meathead who has beaten up a child, shot 3 people and threatened to shoot more.

Exactly, no love lost for this fella.

Originally Posted by FarangRed

He was a person, he's a brother, he's a son, he's a father.

They always are when their dead, of course when they are alive they are just a c*n* which is probably why his own family avoided him for years.

Police on both sides of the Atlantic have become far too flippant about using these tazer guns on people. They are, and should be classified and restricted as deadly force. I hope he sues the police and the manufacturer of this dangerous device.

Everyone has a story to tell, and we should try and listen to that story.

But if, after attempting to murder both your Ex and her guy (and succeeding) immediately after being released from Jail, you go on the run and announce to the public that you are going to try your best to kill police officers, well what do you expect?

Game over. Just another dead dude.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I believe, in this case, we should have an full inquiry into police actions.
All the coppers concerned should be given leave and robustly interrogated using truth drugs.
I suggest this should take place at the red lion using best bitter to get at the truth.

Party on dudes, you deserve it for getting rid of the bastard.

There are TWO inquiries into this incident, one on the handling of prison service information, and the other into the police handing of the apprehension.

You can disregard Angus Moat's pathetic blubbering, I'm glad he's so proud of his "love" for his brother that he's willing to pocket blood-stained banknotes from Murdoch to come out with whatever b*llocks they asked of him.

Originally Posted by BobR

I hope he sues the police and the manufacturer of this dangerous device.

Bit difficult being a corpse but try all the same...

Originally Posted by sabang

Everyone has a story to tell, and we should try and listen to that story. But if, after attempting to murder both your Ex and her guy (and succeeding) immediately after being released from Jail, you go on the run and announce to the public that you are going to try your best to kill police officers, well what do you expect? Game over. Just another dead dude.

I like your frank style....tried to green ya...but I luuuuuuuuurrrrrve ya too much as it is..

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I believe, in this case, we should have an full inquiry into police actions. All the coppers concerned should be given leave and robustly interrogated using truth drugs. I suggest this should take place at the red lion using best bitter to get at the truth. Party on dudes, you deserve it for getting rid of the bastard.

Indeed Mr Fred. First rounds on me....

The official autopsy report doesnt mention any taser wounds on the body. Which is why the family are calling for a second independent autopsy. The official police media release says that 2 tasers were discharged, but doesnt state if Moat was actually tasered. If in fact the second autopsy indicates that he was tasered and it can be proved that he was tasered while holding a gun to his head with his finger on the trigger, it could lead to a charge of murder against the police. But I suspect the first autopsy would not miss such a relevant detail.

Re: the photos in this (and related) thread

what is it with the way these people look???
Are all people in northern England so inbred looking???

Jesus Christ!! Even the look of those kids will give ne nightmares!!Talk about being belted with the ugly stick!!

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Originally Posted by FarangRed

He was a person, he's a brother, he's a son, he's a father.

They always are when their dead, of course when they are alive they are just a c*n* which is probably why his own family avoided him for years.

Spot on Bobby, The sooner people accept that part of the human race is deficient in every way and need the be exterminated the sooner we as a species can move forward.

I mean the bleeding foking hearts and do gooders absolutely shit me, its only natural that a certain percentage of the human race should of never been born and the only sensible thing to do is foking off them.

I generally like people but at the same time love to see bad bastards get there come up-pence.

Thank you very much.

Boss of supply firm for Raoul Moat shooting taser 'commits suicide' after losing licence
A former policeman, Peter Boatman, whose firm supplied the controversial long range tasers which were fired at gunman Raoul Moat has died in a suspected suicide.

By Andrew Hough
Published: 6:15PM BST 01 Oct 2010
The director of operations of the Pro-Tect Systems, which supplied four experimental X-12 tasers used during the police stand-off, was found dead on Friday morning.
It is understood he had killed himself. Police did not confirm how he died but said a taser was not involved.
The 57 year-old worked as an inspector for Northamptonshire Police before leaving the force in 2002 to become a 50 per cent partner in Pro-Tect Systems.
His company gained a lucrative Government contract making him the only legal supplier of tasers in Britain. His company sold more than 4,000 stun-guns to police and military forces.
But earlier this week, the Home Office revoked Pro-Tect's licence to import and sell Tasers after the firm breached its terms by supplying the tasers directly to police involved in the Moat manhunt.
Five police vans were seen attending the father-of-two's home in Kingsthorpe, Northampton.
Officers arrived at his house at lunchtime on Friday before cordoning off the area.
He is believed to have lived at the property with his wife Stephanie, also a director of Pro-Tect Systems, daughter Chloe, 30, and son Kiel. Police officers were said to be comforting his family at the large detached four-bedroomed home.
Four vehicles with personalised numberplates containing the letters TSR, short for taser, were outside the property.
Kevin Coles, the company's managing director, said he and his colleagues were "devastated" by the news.
"After recent events he wasn't the man he was. We're all just dreadfully sorry for (his wife) Steph and the family," he said.
Mr Coles, who was a family friend as well as a business partner to Mr Boatman, said later there was "no doubt" that his apparent suicide was linked to the recent furore.
"He was a proud man and he felt ashamed at recent developments," he said.
"He spent all his life involved in officer safety and what happened was a result of him being worried about the welfare of officers.
"He knew there was something there that would offer the officers protection and that was what his motive was.
He added: "The furore over it destroyed him." The former police officer had a "lovely wife", children and young grandchildren, he added.
"He's not a person you imagine would ever do that," he said.
A spokesman for the Daventry-based Pro-Tect Systems added that Mr Boatman's death was "an incredibly sad loss".
The firm paid tribute to Mr Boatman who had showed "incredible passion in bringing a friendly and committed outlook to all he met".
"It is with great regret we announce the tragic death of our colleague and great friend Peter Boatman today," the spokesman said.
"At this point, it is inappropriate to comment on this terrible news apart from saying we are devastated and are sharing a state of severe shock and grief with Peter's family.
"Since Peter has been a part of out business he has shown incredible passion in bringing a friendly and committed outlook to all he met."
He added: "His death is an incredibly sad loss and we extend out deepest condolences and thoughts to his family and friends at this very difficult time.
"We share in Peter's family request for privacy so we can all come to terms with today's awful news and we hope you can respect this."
A neighbour Rob Fisher, 45, who works as a financial advisor, disclosed how hard Mr Boatman worked.
"It's a tragic thing. Running a business like he did can be very stressful. I feel for his family," he said.
"When I heard the news a couple of nights ago I thought 'how devastating' because he had been working so hard for his company.
"He always got up at 6am in the morning and came back home very late. Peter was very welcoming and introduced us to the neighbourhood."
He added: "Earlier this afternoon an ambulance turned up and police cars came screeching around the cul-de-sac blocking the entrance. It was obvious something tragic had happened."
Another neighbour, who refused to be named, added: "He was a wonderful person, who had a great sense of humour. He will be sorely missed."
A Northamptonshire Police spokeswoman said: "Officers were called to an address in Reynard Way, Kingsthorpe, at 1.09pm this afternoon, where the body of a 57-year-old man was discovered.
"We are not treating the death as suspicious and will be preparing a report for the coroner.
"The family do not wish to be contacted and members of the press are asked to respect their privacy."
Pro-Tect was facing possible action by Northamptonshire Police over the breach of the licence.
Speaking after the Home Office revoked the firm's licence on Tuesday, Superintendent Sean Bell, the force's head of operations, said: "We are now considering whether or not to take further action against Pro-Tect in connection with breaching the conditions of their licence."
Former police officer Mr Boatman was in charge of assessing the merits of Taser as head of operational training for the force.
Home Secretary Theresa May revoked the firm's licence to import and sell Tasers following an investigation into the use of the weapons at the end of one of Britain's biggest manhunts.
Pro-Tect breached its licence by supplying the X12 Tasers and XRep ammunition, which were still being tested by the Home Office, directly to two police forces, the Home Office said.
Armed police fired two Tasers at Moat in an "effort to stop him taking his own life" in the Riverside park area in Rothbury, Northumberland, in the early hours of July 10, an inquest at Newcastle Civic Centre was told.
The Tasers can deliver up to 20 seconds of electric shock in bullet-like capsules from a standard 12-gauge shotgun or a X12 Taser.
Mrs May revoked Pro-Tect's licence after inquiries revealed it supplied the Tasers, which should have only been supplied to the Home Office Science and Development Branch (HOSDB), directly to police.
The firm also breached the rules "governing the secure transport of the devices and ammunition", the Home Office said.
There was no suggestion any blame should be attached to the officers involved and the Home Office has stressed police could use any weapon they saw fit as long as its use was "lawful, reasonable and proportionate".
The stand-off with the steroid-addicted former nightclub doorman ended the seven-day manhunt which was triggered when Moat shot his former girlfriend, Samantha Stobbart, 22, killed her new boyfriend, Chris Brown, 29, and blinded Pc David Rathband, 42.
But the precise sequence of events regarding the discharge of the XRep Tasers in relation to Moat firing his sawn-off shotgun has not been established and is under investigation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), the inquest into his death was told.
Steve Reynolds, of the IPCC, said: "The review of tactics will consider the deployment and use of the XRep Taser."
The Pro-Tect Systems spokesman said it could not comment while the IPCC investigation was going on.
Mr Boatman publicly denied claims that Tasers could be dangerous and showed his confidence of their safety by firing one at his wife, in November 2004.
She fell to the ground in agony as her husband shot the full 50,000 volts into her back but quickly recovered and stood back to her feet.
A Home Office spokesman said it could not comment while the police investigation was ongoing.
"Any such death is a tragedy," he added.Man who supplied Raoul Moat shooting taser 'commits suicide' after losing licence - Telegraph

GAZZA: I DON'T KNOW RAOUL MOAT, I WAS JUST DRUNK


ABOVE: Big-hearted Gazza turned up at the Raoul Moat stand-off with supplies for the gunman








29th September 2010
By Jerry Lawton




PAUL Gascoigne has admitted he did not know killer gunman Raoul Moat after all.

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The football legend turned up drunk at the scene of the fugitive’s stand-off with police, claiming to be his pal.



But Gazza, 43, who has been sober for three months, said: “Did I know him? No!
“I was sitting in the house and I was bored. Then I started having a few drinks and he just came on the headlines.


“I went: ‘Oh, I know him.’ But did I know him? No! I got some chicken, a fishing rod, a couple of cans and a blanket to keep him warm and got in a taxi. I remember being stopped by the police.


“I said: ‘I’m going to see me mate Moaty.’ The police were laughing their heads off.”


He added: “I remember saying: ‘I know where he is,’ and they asked where and I said: ‘The helicopter light’s on him.’ They said: ‘Paul, that’s a star.'”


Gazza, who is mulling over an offer to manage non-league Garforth Town FC, told an Irish chat show he was winning his battle to beat the booze.