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    Bhopal and the US Response to BP's Gulf Blowout

    Bhopal and the US Response to BP's Gulf Blowout
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    Monday, 14 June 2010


    The wrecked Bhopal plant, Nov 2009

    A witness to the Bhopal disaster points out American hypocrisy

    I was there in Bhopal on December 7,1984, when Warren Anderson, then the chairman of Union Carbide, was whisked away from the stricken city to Delhi and back to the US – and we all knew that it was happening with the help of Rajiv Gandhi, then India's prime minister.

    Since then Anderson has been protected by the US business-political establishment from being extradited to India to answer for the appalling human and environmental damage wrought by his company's gas leak in Bhopal a few days earlier. That was one of the world's worst industrial disasters, leading to the death of over 5,000 people and continuing ill-health of over 500,000. (See my last visit and report six months ago).

    continues here : Asia Sentinel - Bhopal and the US Response to BP's Gulf Blowout

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    comparisons should be made about different disasters and the reactions,
    lets have a reaction like carbide and the lagacy they left in india, along with the american public outcry about the injustice of it all.

    No boby or country is perfect, however a tad of concistency would not go amiss now and again, what say you america ?.

    BP are commiting themselves to the clear up, so whats all the fuss about, accidents happen, you can blame and seek revenge, but what will be will be, just learn from the mistake.

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    Yes, Union Carbide sort of killed about the same number as Sadam killed Kurds.
    They strung Sadam up for that.
    Bit of double standards going on here.

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    Nothing new here dogcatcher.

    US of A(ss) is famous for their double standards

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    That was a horrible disaster 26 years ago in Bhopal, India. Union Carbide bears complete responsibility for the lives lost as a result of their negligence.
    There, are you satisfied now or is there some other way you would like the 'linkage' between these events demonstrated?

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    Nice comparison Mid. Probably far more parallels than some would like to admit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    Yes, Union Carbide sort of killed about the same number as Sadam killed Kurds.
    They strung Sadam up for that.
    Bit of double standards going on here.
    Yes you are right but but corporate manslaughter/murder committed by American companies abroad is never punished.
    The same with Piper Alpha 179 killed and the Chairman of Occidental heads back to America expressing his sorrow at the loss of life

    I for one would have locked Mr. Hammer up for perjury the day he lied to the Cullen enquiry and the nation, but thats just my point of view.
    "Don,t f*ck with the baldies*

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehighlander959
    I for one would have locked Mr. Hammer
    You cannot even know how everyone on this forum should agree with this statement......

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    The silence in here is deafening. Its only important when it affects the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    That was a horrible disaster 26 years ago in Bhopal, India. Union Carbide bears complete responsibility for the lives lost as a result of their negligence.
    There, are you satisfied now or is there some other way you would like the 'linkage' between these events demonstrated?
    I would like to see bp pay the same compensation pro rata as carbide per dead person and the 500,000 ongoing long suffering, carbide had to pay 470m dollars
    wow.
    in the report below, notice the get out clauses US companies are looking for,
    why oh why did bp not ask the us for the same damage limitation clauses, mmm



    The convictions come as India’s parliament weighs a nuclear liability bill that would cap compensation in case of an accident. US companies are reluctant to build nuclear power stations in India without legislation protecting them from large compensation claims.
    The Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata party on Monday appealed to the government to slow up the bill in the light of the misery inflicted by Bhopal.
    The bill would place a cap on compensation in case of a nuclear accident as India tries to increase its reliance on atomic power

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    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    BP are commiting themselves to the clear up, so whats all the fuss about, accidents happen, you can blame and seek revenge, but what will be will be, just learn from the mistake.
    I imagine the residents along the coastline affected by this catastrophe will be able to sleep well knowing that BP are on the case and 'committed', not to mention those in the neighbouring areas watching the largely ineffectual efforts to contain this thing as it moves ever closer to their shores.
    What "the fuss is all about" is the impact this will have on a very large number of people, their livelihoods, communities and environment for years to come, an impact that might easily have been averted had 'strict(!)' operational procedures and checks been adhered to offshore. People died on that rig explosion before a drop of oil hit the shores of America and that in itself justifies a "fuss"...
    de gustibus non est disputandum

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    Yes, Union Carbide sort of killed about the same number as Sadam killed Kurds.
    They strung Sadam up for that.
    Bit of double standards going on here.
    They strunk Sadam up for taking Euros instead of dollars for oil. The politicians are just patronizing an angry public with their threats against BP. In the end, large corporations own the American Government and have for the last 40 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graym View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    BP are commiting themselves to the clear up, so whats all the fuss about, accidents happen, you can blame and seek revenge, but what will be will be, just learn from the mistake.
    I imagine the residents along the coastline affected by this catastrophe will be able to sleep well knowing that BP are on the case and 'committed', not to mention those in the neighbouring areas watching the largely ineffectual efforts to contain this thing as it moves ever closer to their shores.
    What "the fuss is all about" is the impact this will have on a very large number of people, their livelihoods, communities and environment for years to come, an impact that might easily have been averted had 'strict(!)' operational procedures and checks been adhered to offshore. People died on that rig explosion before a drop of oil hit the shores of America and that in itself justifies a "fuss"...
    The Bhopal comparison is a good one. Maybe someone can google how many ppl died and are still suffering. What has Union Carbide done? How much compo has been paid and what to what level has the site been cleaned up.

    Would be interesting to do a survey of Americans and see how many know what happened in Bhopal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graym View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    BP are commiting themselves to the clear up, so whats all the fuss about, accidents happen, you can blame and seek revenge, but what will be will be, just learn from the mistake.
    I imagine the residents along the coastline affected by this catastrophe will be able to sleep well knowing that BP are on the case and 'committed', not to mention those in the neighbouring areas watching the largely ineffectual efforts to contain this thing as it moves ever closer to their shores.
    What "the fuss is all about" is the impact this will have on a very large number of people, their livelihoods, communities and environment for years to come, an impact that might easily have been averted had 'strict(!)' operational procedures and checks been adhered to offshore. People died on that rig explosion before a drop of oil hit the shores of America and that in itself justifies a "fuss"...
    don't fuss, your government should not be fussing and looking for blame and retribution, they should be mobilizing every recsourse available to contain the spill, and bp will pay now, unlike carbide.

    it is laughable, all the drama queens and kick ass hard liners in the US, this is a tragedy, but deal with it and get on with the job in hand, some one will be held accountable, and if the accountable person ar persons are british, could they stay in britain and avoid extradition a bit like the us management did in the carbide incident.

    double standards, no consistensy, if the US acted as it expects the rest of the globe to act, then they might just have some credibility, until that time bam bam and co will not enhance your country's image.

    Kick ass my friends, your looking good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    it is laughable, all the drama queens and kick ass hard liners in the US
    You mean brits don't you? You're the ones falling all over yourselves on this thread complaining about how unfairly you're being treated.

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    You are a nugget!!

    You know that in Bhopal you have a very serious Gas Escape that kills 2,500 people and has a life long damage estimation of over 500,000 people. Who will be forever thankful to Union Carbide for destroying their lives.

    I am getting the impression that you work for the US Democratic Oil Lobby. Your only concern is the problem in the GOM which was caused by a foreign company.

    The buck stops only in the USA when it affects American citizens.

    The buck did stop in The North Sea after the Piper Alpha incident because we barred you asses from drilling their because the Chairman and CEO of Occidental Lied to a Government Enquiry by the way 167 dead and never an apology.

    They as a company only apologized for the loss of life.

    Its a dangerous game out there in the Oil and Gas Business.. If you work out their you know the risks.
    Risk minimization by everyone is the order of the day, however some companies equate risk as a cost exercise. Drilling companies have the highest long term incident issues.
    The Wall Street Journal has a real handle on this its not a link but have alook?

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    What would be the response if say Chevron was the oil company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    it is laughable, all the drama queens and kick ass hard liners in the US
    You mean brits don't you? You're the ones falling all over yourselves on this thread complaining about how unfairly you're being treated.
    Oh come on humbert,
    We are not moaning just amazed at how the US are treating an outside company, but 39% is american owned, crazy.

    when it comes to handling disasters, have you looked in your own back yard, and still see the devastation in louisiana, and these are your own people, how many years after katrina.

    I personnaly think the US are drama queens, on sky , a US woman asked ' what has the queen got to say about this, she should answer the american people ', another ' seize all BP's assets ',
    it's a foreign company that is accountable at the moment, so blame and expect all you like but it is up to the US to clean up this mess and BP to pay. If BP shipped over a couple of thousand labourers to clean the mess up, your government would moan about taking US jobs.

    Get on with it, and ' kick ass baby '

    I hope you do a better job than you did in new orleans.

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    I am not sure that is possible the Corps of Engineers knew the problem in New Orleans although they did not address it. I am sure this is quite a familiar situation that people know well in the Southern States.

    But there again its a long way from Washington.

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