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    China: cracks in Three Gorges Dam, 300,000 people can wave goodbye to their homes

    By Tim Collard World Last updated: June 7th, 2010
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    The Three Gorges Dam: impressive from a distance

    In China, cracks are appearing – in the neighbourhood of the massive Three Gorges Dam, the country’s great prestige project, and also in the Great Internet Firewall of China, enabling the ominous news to leak out. Three years ago stories were already emerging in the Chinese media about landslides, ecological deterioration and accumulation of algae further down the river. And less and less effort seems to be made to plug the leaks.
    Recent media reports tell of a series of landslips, minor earthquakes and cracks appearing in roads and buildings along the central section of the Yangtse, between the dam and the city of Chongqing. Almost 10,000 “dangerous sites” have been identified, but many of the people living near them cannot be relocated for lack of money. Two years ago thousands of children died in Sichuan Province because their schools were not resistant to the earthquake which hit the area; in the town of Badong near Chongqing children are attending school in buildings which have been recognised as far more vulnerable. What else can they do? The local authorities can’t afford a new one.
    Like many such megaprojects, the Three Gorges was always driven as much by politics as by economics. Its rationale covered irrigation and flood control in the lower Yangtse plain, hydroelectric power generation, which sounds sensible: but objections were bulldozed in the tense political atmosphere of the late 1980s, when the final decisions were made. The dam was the pet project of then prime minister Li Peng, who was involved in the party split which led to the 1989 Tiananmen massacre, in which he was the triumphant prime mover. In this context he was not going to back down on the dam, and the debate was closed down.
    So the construction was forced through without even what passes in China for proper debate. The number of local people who had to be relocated came to 1.4 million – equivalent to the obliteration of Birmingham. Now it looks like another 300,000 will have to be shifted – add Coventry to that. This, in China, means getting a few weeks’ notice to quit and putting up with wherever the authorities see fit to put you. On top of that a large number of historic sites from one of the most ancient cradles of Chinese civilisation had to go. Yes, China has vast numbers of people to feed and cannot afford sentimentality, but perhaps a bit more care might have been taken to ensure that the costs and benefits had been properly calculated.
    But even three years ago, with Li Peng and his family safely out of the way, official Chinese sources were admitting that things had gone horribly wrong. In the official media references were made to landslides, ecological deterioration and accumulation of algae. The Chinese aren’t unworldly and irresponsible greenies. When they point things like this out it’s because it’s causing real damage. Of course the authorities are careful not to promote mass panic, but so far the incidents are far enough apart to prevent collective protest; local complaints can still be suppressed without too much trouble.
    Meanwhile, at the centre, it would appear that there is no great enthusiasm to see this all hushed up. The current supremo Hu Jintao has always taken care not to associate himself with the project. Hu’s faction of the Communist Party is broadly opposed by the “princelings’ faction” – i.e. the rich-kid offspring of the post-Mao leadership – and appears disinclined to pull Li Peng’s chestnuts out of the fire.

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    China: cracks in the Three Gorges Dam, so 300,000 people can wave goodbye to their homes – Telegraph Blogs

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    well, not unexpected, everything the Chinese do is shit, so why is it even surprising ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    The number of local people who had to be relocated came to 1.4 million – equivalent to the obliteration of Birmingham.
    Doesn't seem too bad an idea, pretty sure if it was put to the vote it would be a winner.

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    Probably just sour grapes mixed in with conspiracy theories in the end, these hippies have been yapping about dams for years. That dam is equivalent to 10 to 20 nuclear power plants, plus it has other benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordechai View Post
    Probably just sour grapes mixed in with conspiracy theories in the end, these hippies have been yapping about dams for years. That dam is equivalent to 10 to 20 nuclear power plants, plus it has other benefits.
    Is the number 1 benefit, population control when the dam breaks and the populations downstream are drowned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    obliteration of Birmingham
    Excellent news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordechai View Post
    Probably just sour grapes mixed in with conspiracy theories in the end, these hippies have been yapping about dams for years. That dam is equivalent to 10 to 20 nuclear power plants, plus it has other benefits.
    These aren't hippies yapping you moron, this is serious shit.
    There was very little research done on the impact to the environment before this was built, by which I mean what effect such a large volumn and thereby weight of water would have on the terrain.
    It turns out a very destabilizing effect is what. This has been predicted from the start and unfortunately I fear this will end in disaster.
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    Unfortunately that seems to be the Chinese way. Nothing must get in the way of 'development' and 'progress' - Image is all important. Under the (very convincing) veneer the serious shortcomings expose just how far they still have to come. Never mind, at least they believe their own bullshit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug
    These aren't hippies yapping you moron, this is serious shit.
    Who is it then? From this 'report', I can't see any names being mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug
    These aren't hippies yapping you moron, this is serious shit.
    Who is it then? From this 'report', I can't see any names being mentioned.
    The point of the article (link in line 4) is that reports of problems are now showing up in state media, suggesting that they have to be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    There was very little research done on the impact to the environment before this was built, by which I mean what effect such a large volumn and thereby weight of water would have on the terrain.
    It turns out a very destabilizing effect is what. This has been predicted from the start and unfortunately I fear this will end in disaster.
    What did you expect? This is China -- they have taken the concept of Buddhist impermanence to the top level.

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    Dam the darn dam. Dam it. The dam thing falling apart would send China into financial damnation and might just help the dam US in some way. A massive flow of water would do wonders for the lower river. It'd be the world's largest enema.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordechai View Post
    Probably just sour grapes mixed in with conspiracy theories in the end, these hippies have been yapping about dams for years. That dam is equivalent to 10 to 20 nuclear power plants, plus it has other benefits.
    These aren't hippies yapping you moron, this is serious shit.
    There was very little research done on the impact to the environment before this was built, by which I mean what effect such a large volumn and thereby weight of water would have on the terrain.
    It turns out a very destabilizing effect is what. This has been predicted from the start and unfortunately I fear this will end in disaster.
    this is said about every dam that is about to be built

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    There was very little research done on the impact to the environment before this was built, by which I mean what effect such a large volumn and thereby weight of water would have on the terrain.
    It turns out a very destabilizing effect is what. This has been predicted from the start and unfortunately I fear this will end in disaster.
    What did you expect? This is China -- they have taken the concept of Buddhist impermanence to the top level.
    Yep, it seems like tomorrow is a long way off for them. The environmental impact of the damns they have built on the Mekong is making them pretty unpopular with farmers in the countries downstream as well.

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    If that thing goes it's real people that will kop for it.
    It may be true (Fair chance it is) that the government are up to loads of shits on many levels but it ain't going to them that gets it.
    I was on site while the authorities were trying to save a dam in Rotherham a few years ago. If that had gone it would have taken out one town, the M1 motorway and a massive electricity sub station.

    These guys were at it 24 hours solid before it was declared safe.



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    god dam. another crisis.

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    No one beats Chinese for quality........not! Typical cheap Chinese junk on a massive scale.

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    This is from 2007. Three Gorges Dam is a disaster in the making, China admits - Times Online

    http://www.arch.mcgill.ca/prof/sijpk...ggs/three.html

    Plenty of other references to existing Chinese dam disasters abound on a Google search too.
    Last edited by kmart; 10-06-2010 at 11:08 AM.

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    "The dam was a terrible idea" admits China..however you're never gonna get Tibet back so ner.....

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    China acknowledges Three Gorges dam 'problems'
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    The Three Gorges is the world's largest dam

    China has admitted that the Three Gorges Dam has created a range of major problems that need solving quickly.

    Top leaders say the project has led to environmental problems and issues involving relocating 1.3m people.

    The Three Gorges is the world's largest dam and could have cost up to $40bn. This appears to be the first time that central government leaders have admitted to problems with the project.

    The admission came in a statement from top government body, the State Council.

    The statement initially praised the scheme's achievements, saying it had helped alleviate flooding, improve navigation and generate electricity.

    But it went on: "There are urgent problems that need to be addressed, such as stabilising and improving living conditions for relocated people, protecting the environment, and preventing geological disasters."

    'Catastrophe' China's revolutionary leader Mao Zedong dreamed of building the Three Gorges Dam. Construction started in 1994.



    More than a million people have been affected by the construction of the dam

    The dam was completed in 2006, with the reservoir reaching its full height last year after submerging 13 cities, 140 towns and 1,350 villages.

    Local leaders and campaign groups have for some time complained about problems associated with the project.

    At a government-organised conference in 2007, local officials warned of "environmental catastrophe".

    One problem appears to have been caused by fluctuations in the water level of the vast reservoir, which stretches for 660km (360 miles). This causes frequent landslides.

    The government said more also needs to be done to help those forced to move because of the construction.

    They need more jobs, better transport facilities and improved social security benefits, said the State Council, chaired by Premier Wen Jiabao.

    Known problems

    The Three Gorges was a contentious scheme even before it was approved.

    A third of the members sitting in China's normally compliant parliament voted against the plan or abstained.

    Perhaps in a tacit acknowledgement of the problems, there were no major celebrations when the reservoir reached its full height last year.

    In this latest statement, the State Council said it knew about some of the problems even before work started 17 years ago.

    It says others arose while the dam was being built and some have happened since, because of "new demands as the social and economical situation developed".

    The task now was to begin sorting out some of these problems, said the government.

    bbc.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBunyon View Post
    Dam the darn dam. Dam it. The dam thing falling apart would send China into financial damnation and might just help the dam US in some way. A massive flow of water would do wonders for the lower river. It'd be the world's largest enema.

    if you read the article, it is about collateral damage upstream, not the dam itself

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    Just a simple point. With all the seismic activity of late, are there any fault lines close to the dam?

    I mean, the Chinese wouldn't be that irresponsible would they?

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    Is that a well known seismic area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    Is that a well known seismic area?
    It is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    the Chinese wouldn't be that irresponsible would they?
    They would.

    "The reservoir sits on two major faults: the Jiuwanxi and the Zigui–Badong."

    Probe International..

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    well, hopefully that was borne in mind when the initial structure was designed

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