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    Japan set to defend whaling in court

    Japan set to defend whaling in court
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    A whale is captured by the Yushin Maru a Japanese Whaling Vessle in the Great Southern Ocean, February 2008.

    Japan has described an Australian Government decision to take it to court over its whaling program as "disappointing" and "regrettable", saying it will strongly defend its so-called scientific whaling program.

    The Federal Government announced it will begin legal action next week in the International Court of Justice in the Hague, months ahead of the November deadline it set Tokyo to agree to stop whaling in the Antarctic.

    Each year Japan kills hundreds of mainly minke whales in the Southern Ocean.

    While Japan says it kills whales for science, its critics say it is a purely commercial venture aimed at providing whale meat to Japanese restaurants.

    Japanese foreign ministry spokesman Hidenobu Sobashima has told ABC's PM program that it wants to resolve this dispute with Australia diplomatically.

    "We hoped Australia would continue to engage in the negotiations as long as possible, either multilaterally or bilaterally, because we think it's important first to make every effort to resolve this issue diplomatically," he said.

    "We regret Australia has decided to bring the issue of whaling to the International Court of Justice, when we are having negotiation in the ICC [International Criminal Court]."

    Mr Sobashima says whaling may be a sticking point between the two allies, but Japan's relationship with Australia is not likely to be affected.

    "As my foreign minister said, and the Australian minister also said, we feel the disagreement on the whaling issue shouldn't negatively affect the overall cordial and good relationship between the two countries."

    However he says if Australia decides to bring the issue to the International Court of Justice, then Japan will be prepared to respond.

    Federal Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith says the Government is confident it has made the right decision in taking Japan to court.

    "In a court case there can be no guarantees," he said.

    "But we are confident the decision we have made is an appropriate one to seek to achieve our objective, which is to end Japanese whaling in the Southern Ocean."

    Meanwhile, New Zealand is holding back from immediately supporting Australia's legal challenge.

    The New Zealand government says it believes there is still room to make diplomatic progress before the International Whaling Commission meeting in Morocco next month.

    It says it will decide in the next few weeks whether it will also file a legal case.

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    I'd like to wish the Australian government the very best of luck. I'm very impressed that they are doing this.

    Imho, whale hunting is a barbaric practice.

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    Why 3 counties still are allowed and willing to kill whales for whatever reason is beyond my understanding...

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    I abhor the killing of whales for any purpose, and do not accept the reserch arguement.
    I also question the commercial side of this in Japans case. I have friends in Japan, none of which eat whale meat because they dont like it and stopped eating it after leaving school where it is on the childrens lunch menus.

    Is this just a Japanese 'Dont tell us what to do' thing ?

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    The Australian Government are complete asses for what they've done with censorship and nanny state laws in their own country, now they're trying to tell other countries what to do. I hope Japan tells them to take a flying whale f*ck. That type of manic intrusiveness makes them sound as silly as the American Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    The Australian Government are complete asses for what they've done with censorship and nanny state laws in their own country, now they're trying to tell other countries what to do. I hope Japan tells them to take a flying whale f*ck. That type of manic intrusiveness makes them sound as silly as the American Government.
    What the hell does censorship have to do with Japan using a law which allows for killing for research, to hunt commercially. Yes sometimes other nations need to intervene when one nation is breaking the law. Japan has shown a total disregard for the fish/mammal population in the seas for many years. If left alone they would fish and hunt till the seas were barren. This was long over due.

    These seas they are hunting in are not part of Japan's hegenomy. They are in the antartic.

    You are the clueless f*ck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    I'd like to wish the Australian government the very best of luck. I'm very impressed that they are doing this.

    Imho, whale hunting is a barbaric practice.
    Couldn't agree more , should have been done years ago - what's holding the Kiwis back , they've usually got more guts than to hold back on something like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    The Australian Government are complete asses for what they've done with censorship and nanny state laws in their own country, now they're trying to tell other countries what to do. I hope Japan tells them to take a flying whale f*ck. That type of manic intrusiveness makes them sound as silly as the American Government.
    Not a good idea to shoot your mouth off without adequate research.
    The school kids won't eat it and it was only pushed into schools as a last resort when it couldn't be sold to restaurants , approx 85% of Japanese in a newspaper survey ( Japanese) stated they had never tried whale meat.
    English investigation showed Japan was also converting unsold surplus into pet food!
    If you would like more proof I will repost my research from a previous discussion on here.

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    In what why are whales more special than cows? All this western bleeding heart over whales is rather Sanctimonious

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    Hardly, they are not bred commercially and have been driven to near extinction by over fishing.

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    that I agree with

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Wilson View Post
    In what why are whales more special than cows? All this western bleeding heart over whales is rather Sanctimonious
    Clueless post number 2 today.

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    Over-fishing affects nearly all food fish species these days. Population growth on land has put massive strains on the fertile eco-systems of oceans. Much of which we still know very little about.
    Whaling may be very much a part of Japanese and Norwegian culture. Then again, bear-baiting used to be part of ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Over-fishing affects nearly all food fish species these days. Population growth on land has put massive strains on the fertile eco-systems of oceans. Much of which we still know very little about.
    Whaling may be very much a part of Japanese and Norwegian culture. Then again, bear-baiting used to be part of ours.
    Very true. At the present time there is the technology to have fish farms for the smaller fish, but not the larger ones.

    There are many things which were culturally accepted 50 or 100 years ago which have been shown to be wrong.

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    Japan admits whale meat scam
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    Japan's Fisheries Agency has reprimanded five officials for taking thousands of dollars worth of meat.
    (Getty Images: Koichi Kamoshida)

    Japan's Fisheries Agency has admitted its officials accepted gifts of whale meat from the body that runs the country's so-called scientific whaling program.

    Six months ago the ABC broadcast allegations by two whaling crew members that officials and crew were illegally taking thousands of dollars worth of whale cuts.

    At the time the Fisheries Agency denied the allegations, but it has now reprimanded five of its officials for taking more than $3,000 worth of whale meat.

    Agency spokesman Toyohiko Ota has publicly apologised for the scandal.

    "I deeply apologise for this act in which officials took whale meat," he said.

    "It's an act for which we will lose credibility. We will take prevention measures so it will never happen again," he added, with a deep bow of apology.

    The original allegations, broadcast on ABC TV's Foreign Correspondent program, undermined Japan's claim that its whaling program was purely for science.

    "One crew member would take home 500 to 600 kilograms of whale meat as if it was normal," one of the whistleblowers said.

    "That's a little too much to eat at home. Some people give it to their neighbours, others are obviously selling it. I heard a story that one crewman built a house from selling whale meat."

    At the time the allegations were dismissed by the Institute for Cetacean Research, which helps run Japan's whaling program. The Fisheries Agency also denied that officials or crew took whale meat for personal consumption or profit.

    Although the agency now admits that more than $3,000 worth of meat was taken, Greenpeace and the two whistleblowers believe that is just a fraction of the amount that has been embezzled.

    And today's admission is a massive boost for the two Japanese Greenpeace activists known as the Tokyo Two.

    Four months ago, Toru Suzuki and Junichi Sato were given suspended jail sentences for theft.

    Their crime was to track and then intercept a box of whale meat taken by a crew member.

    They later handed the box over to prosecutors.

    But instead of the crewman being charged, Suzuki and Sato ended up in the dock and with a criminal conviction.

    Sato spoke to the ABC outside the court after his conviction in September.

    "It's outrageous that the court actually recognised that there is some ambiguous handlings of whale meat in the whaling industry," he said.

    "Even so, they are trying to punish us [with] one year in prison and three years in suspended. It is outrageous, and if this is a democratic country, this shouldn't be happening."

    The Tokyo Two have now challenged that conviction, and this admission from the Japanese Fisheries Agency is certain to be a key plank of their appeal.

    Greenpeace Australia's Stephen Campbell says the agency's admission shows there is no such thing as scientific whaling.

    "We know in fact that the Japanese whalers toss whale meat overboard as well," he told ABC News 24.

    "All of this activity in the Southern Ocean is really largely for show and to keep the Japanese Fisheries Agency alive and to feather the nests of the few officials."

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Hardly, they are not bred commercially and have been driven to near extinction by over fishing.

    What about Tuna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sccrhound View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    The Australian Government are complete asses for what they've done with censorship and nanny state laws in their own country, now they're trying to tell other countries what to do. I hope Japan tells them to take a flying whale f*ck. That type of manic intrusiveness makes them sound as silly as the American Government.
    What the hell does censorship have to do with Japan using a law which allows for killing for research, to hunt commercially. Yes sometimes other nations need to intervene when one nation is breaking the law. Japan has shown a total disregard for the fish/mammal population in the seas for many years. If left alone they would fish and hunt till the seas were barren. This was long over due.

    These seas they are hunting in are not part of Japan's hegenomy. They are in the antartic.

    You are the clueless f*ck.

    The clueless f*ck is the one who cannot understand this comment had nothing to do with whaling, it has to do with the rights of a nation to do what it pleases on the high seas and certain other governments minding their own business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oky View Post
    Why 3 counties still are allowed and willing to kill whales for whatever reason is beyond my understanding...
    what do you know that you didn't get from the greenie propaganda fraud ?

    there are probably allot more whales out there then the fraud tells you.

    go on and hunt the big ugly useless pieces of shit.

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    The fact of the matter is that Japan has lied about its whaling industry. The claim of research has been a cover to kill the whales. The japanese do not hunt the whales in their waters but instead invade other areas. It is not about maintaining a culture, but is a continuation of an aggressive imperialistic view of the world that saw Japan occupy and rape the resources of SE Asia. Japan has no moral right to enter into the waters in the environmentally sensitive Antartica and off of Australia and New Zealand to engage in its looting of the seas. The other big hypocrites in this are the Norwegians. Norway with it billions of petrodollars that consistently lectures the world about moral responsibility also needlessly hunts whales. There is no justification for the Norwegian whale hunt save for the fact that Norway makes money from it selling the whales to Japan.
    The big issue here is that there a few fishing fleets from various nations that destroy fish populations wherever they go. The Russians did this off the coast of Canada and the USA with their factory ships that sucked up all marine life. The Spanish did this in the Grand Banks of Canada taking fish that were too small to be legally fished. The Chinese do this in SE Asia and the Thais and Chinese do this off the coast of Somalia taking the fish away from the locals. If Australia doesn't stand up to Japan now, it will be China and others grabbing fish off the coast of Australia and leaving nothing behind.

    It seems that the Australians are the last of the nations that has a pair of functioning balls. Go Australia, and fight the good fight to ensure that the poor nations of the world have fish in their seas and that bully states cannot come and loot resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    go on and hunt the big ugly useless pieces of shit.
    Speaking of "ugly pieces of shit" yet another clueless post from you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    go on and hunt the big ugly useless pieces of shit.
    Speaking of "ugly pieces of shit" yet another clueless post from you!
    So you, one of the coldest hardest assholes on this board feels sorry for the whales too ?

    Did you get a little tear in your eye when you seen that picture ?

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    Its not just about feeling sorry fr the whales, its in the main trying to take care of the Eco Balance, I know its a complex subject for a intellectually challenged individual as your self but systems need balance, eliminating one species has repercussions on many others, until we know definitively what these repercussions are, leave it alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
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    Its not just about feeling sorry fr the whales, its in the main trying to take care of the Eco Balance, I know its a complex subject for a intellectually challenged individual as your self but systems need balance, eliminating one species has repercussions on many others, until we know definitively what these repercussions are, leave it alone.
    why do you believe the numbers that the eco fraudsters tell you ? There are probably allot more of them down there then they are telling you.

    These greenies have an axe to grind, dont believe everything they tell you.

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    I have an admission to make, I do actually like whales, never met one that I didn't like and I have made the acquaintance of quite a few during my surfing and sailing days.
    They are not aggressive, do no harm to their fellow ocean dwellers (unless you are krill) and are in general magnificent and agreeable creatures.
    I used to spend a lot of my youth in a place by the name of Kaikoura In NZ.

    Quite often during the migration season we spent some time sitting on our Surf boards amongst pods of whales. It always amazed me that theses beautiful big harmless creatures never sought to attack or threaten us despite being almost hunted to extinction by humans.

    I don't believe in killing anything unless it threatens me or serves a purpose as being a sustainable source and is farmed for food.

    A couple of years back I took my kids to see whales in their habitat, the wonder of seeing such big sea mammals in close proximity to them still is a subject of conversion and gives them special status amongst their peers at school.

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    I wish the Aussies would torpedo a few of these japanese whalers.

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