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    Terrorist Spit in New York . . .

    . . . ok, not quite deadly, but bad enough to take some serious time off:



    When Passengers Spit, Bus Drivers Take Months Off
    By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM
    Published: May 24, 2010

    It could be the cutbacks to the city’s transportation system, or a general decline in urban civility. Perhaps people are just in a collective bad mood.

    What else could explain why New Yorkers — notoriously hardened to the slings and arrows of everyday life here — are spitting on bus drivers?

    Of all the assaults that prompted a bus operator to take paid leave in 2009, a third of them, 51 in total, “involved a spat upon,” according to statistics the Metropolitan Transportation Authority released on Monday.

    No weapon was involved in these episodes. “Strictly spitting,” said Charles Seaton, a New York City Transit spokesman.

    And the encounters, while distressing, appeared to take a surprisingly severe toll: the 51 drivers who went on paid leave after a spitting incident took, on average, 64 days off work — the equivalent of three months with pay. One driver, who was not identified by the authority, spent 191 days on paid leave.

    Transit officials, facing a budget shortfall of $400 million, called the numbers troubling. “We have to see what we’re going to do with that,” said Joseph Smith, who oversees bus operations for New York City Transit.

    Spitting falls under the category of assault in the drivers’ contract with the authority. And officials at Transport Workers Union Local 100, which represents city bus operators, said the extended absences were justified.

    “Being spat upon — having a passenger spit in your face, spit in your mouth, spit in your eye — is a physically and psychologically traumatic experience,” said John Samuelsen, the union’s president. “If transit workers are assaulted, they are going to take off whatever amount of time they are going to take off to recuperate.”

    Sensitivities have been heightened since 2008, when Edwin Thomas, a bus driver in Brooklyn, was stabbed to death by a passenger after an argument over the fare.

    In response, the authority offered classes to drivers on defusing tense situations. Plastic partitions for drivers have been tested, but a design has not been set.

    Yet spitting assaults have grown. More than 80 drivers reported being spat upon in the last year, the authority said.

    Enforcement may be an issue. Almost no arrests have been reported for spitting on a driver, said Mr. Smith, who noted that a police officer “must witness the spat upon to give a summons.”

    London and other cities have found a novel solution: collecting the DNA of the offending spitters.

    Bus drivers interviewed Monday said they frequently heard about episodes involving spit.

    Passengers “get angry at the MetroCard not working, they get very irate over the schedules and having to wait a certain period and the bus being late,” said Richard Davis, a union official in Manhattan.

    “A lot of people are worried about diseases, and they go to the hospital to get checked,” Mr. Davis said, referring to the drivers.

    Raul Morales, 52, has been driving city buses for five years, but his first encounter with spit came early.

    “A guy wanted to get on the bus; I told him the fare; he didn’t want to pay it,” Mr. Morales said. “So, he spat at me.”

    The spittle landed on his shirt and glasses. He stopped at a nearby McDonald’s to clean himself off, then finished his shift. “I just kept on going.” (An ice slushie was once thrown at him for the same reason.)

    Mr. Morales said it did not occur to him to take an extended absence to recover. “Everybody has their own tolerance to these things,” he said.

    Alan E. Pisarski, the author of “Commuting in America,” calls it “aisle rage”: a resentment toward declining mass transit. “It could be that the combination of declining service and increasing costs is a tough burden for people to accept,” Mr. Pisarski said.

    Come June in New York City, that burden will grow. Dozens of local and express bus lines will be eliminated, taking the brunt of an austere slate of service cuts by the authority. (Fewer riders on the subway will be affected.)

    Gene Russianoff, staff lawyer for the Straphangers’ Campaign, the riders’ group, said the cuts could make riders less patient. “On a train,” Mr. Russianoff said, “you really can’t get at the train operator in most cases. If you’re late, or they missed your stop, you’re pretty mad. On the bus, the driver is the flashpoint.”

    Nancy Shevell, the chairwoman of the authority’s bus committee, said she did not envy those spat upon. But she wondered whether three months’ time off was excessive.

    “You have to wonder if you can go home and shower off, take a nap, take off the rest of the day and maybe the next day,” she said. “When it gets strung out for months, you start to wonder.”

    Emily Hager contributed reporting.

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    I would rather be punched than spat on. It is one of the most disgusting things to do in my opinion. Does it warrant the time off? I don't think so. To many opportunists these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    London and other cities have found a novel solution: collecting the DNA of the offending spitters.
    Aye, stick the offenders on the dna database and fine them 1000 quid, deductable from their dole payments or garnished from employer. Sorted.

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    America.

    What a filthy shithole.

    Such a lovely society. So much human respect for each other.

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    being spat at... that would be a real shock for just doing your job . especially if it's in the face. used to be that one would spit at a low- life ,,like a child rapist or murderer .

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    In the beginning of the nineteen-eighties when the HIV thing really started to roll on, every time we got spat on the Justice-department sent us off for blood-test's a couple of times in a period of 6 month's. (insurance reasons mostly ) but any sick-leave was definitely never in the cards for a bit of snot.

    We would arrive at the hospital and sit waiting in a line in this hall with glass-walls into the lab, people in front would go in and get their test for whatever, when we went in and handed over our HIV test request they would first then put on the plastic-gloves, protective glasses and face-masks and find vacuum tubes, we used to laugh at that talking about how they possibly could know if any of all the people waiting in line for other blood-tests did not have HIV it was first later they started to use same protective procedure for everybody.

    It really is disgusting to be spat on, but when angry/crazy persons are in armlocks, handcuff's or held down, thats often the next thing they think of doing, your own hands would mostly be busy too so you just had to take it on the chin so to speak Aaarghh , sometimes you could understand the panic, anger or frustration, but other than those special circumstances, it did piss me off
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    3 months recuperation on full pay, sounds like a great job



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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    3 months recuperation on full pay, sounds like a great job
    Those were the hard workers . . . then there are the experts:

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    191 days on paid leave.

    I thought this only happened in the Socialist Republic of Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid View Post
    being spat at... that would be a real shock for just doing your job . especially if it's in the face. used to be that one would spit at a low- life ,,like a child rapist or murderer .
    Unless your job included being a punk rock musician, I would agree. I remember seeing a lot of early punk bands like the Clash and the Damned being covered in gob at gigs. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Master Cool View Post
    America.

    What a filthy shithole.

    Such a lovely society. So much human respect for each other.
    NO tmc, it was NYC. All of the Great Country of America is not like NYC....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    3 months recuperation on full pay, sounds like a great job
    Agreed. Get a mate to board the bus and flob on you twice a year, sorted. Result...

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