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    Fat cop tasers teen baseball fan!

    The kid is lucky he wasn't gunned down . . . and then beaten up.


    Cop who zapped fan with stun gun gets chief's blessing
    May 5, 2010 - 2:09PM

    A Philadelphia police officer who used a stun gun to subdue a teenager who ran onto the field during a Phillies baseball game has the backing of his chief.

    But the department is reviewing whether officers should be involved in such on-field confrontations in the future.

    Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey reviewed video of the arrest and felt the officer acted within department guidelines, which allow officers to use stun guns to arrest fleeing suspects, police spokesman Lieutenant Frank Vanore said.


    Down he goes ... the teenage fan lies prone after being zapped with the stun gun. Photo: AP
    The department's internal affairs unit is investigating, Lieutenant Vanore said.

    The teen jumped on to the field at the top of the eighth inning during Monday night's game against St Louis. He ran around in circles in the outfield, waving a white towel and dodged two security officers.

    The police officer chased him for about 30 seconds before the stun-gun probe hit the teenager, who stumbled forward, slid face-first on the grass and stayed down for about 30 seconds before standing up and walking off the field.

    "From the preliminary look at it, it appears that the officer was within the policy," said Lieutenant Vanore, adding that he did not know what might have transpired before the video started.

    "He was attempting to make an arrest and the male was attempting to flee."

    Police said the teen was charged with defiant trespass, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. His name was not being released because of his age.

    The police department was reviewing whether its officers should be on the field wrangling fans who aren't threatening anyone, Lieutenant Vanore said.

    The team said the department was discussing with the Phillies whether using the stun gun was appropriate.

    Lieutenant Vanore said it was the first time he knew of that a Philadelphia officer had used a stun gun on a fan on the field. There have been instances in other cities of police using stun guns on unruly fans in the stands, including last year at an A's game in Oakland, California.

    Pat Courtney, a spokesman for Major League Baseball, said security issues were dealt with at the team level.

    An expert on police accountability said he could not comment on the Philadelphia case, but said the general rule was that officers should only use stun guns on people who are posing a threat of "imminent harm."

    Merrick Bobb, executive director of a Los Angeles-based nonprofit police oversight group called the Police Assessment Resource Centre, said mild resistance usually doesn't justify the use of a stun gun.

    "Usually the resistance has to threaten some harm to the officer in order to justify the use of a Taser," Mr Bobb said.

    Mary Catherine Roper, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union in Philadelphia, said she did not understand why the officer had to use a stun gun.

    "How long can he really run around out there?" Ms Roper said of the fan. "In this situation, he's not dangerous, he's not getting away."

    Amnesty International says more than 350 people in the US died after they were shocked with stun guns and that in 50 of those cases, medical examiners cited a link between stun gun shocks and death.
    Little girls, pimply sports fans . . . Amazing. Simply amazing.

    Oh, here's a nice photo of the criminal . . . the cop shot him because he is a fat, unfit fu[at]ker who couldn't catch an adolescent.


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    Take the guy who ran on the pitch to court, find him guilty and hang him - see who is so happy and carefree to cause trouble next time.

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    geez, why dont they just let the cops shoot the fan with real bullets, he wont do it again, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    geez, why dont they just let the cops shoot the fan with real bullets, he wont do it again, eh?
    Can you imagine if the guy was a black pimply teenager? They would have blown him away, Clint Eastwood style. (After beating him up)

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    Not likely. The black ones are out in the parking lot, breaking into your car.

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    and the crowd would have erupted into cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    Not likely. The black ones are out in the parking lot, breaking into your car.
    Naught, naughty . . . lots of black fans at Wrigley Field in my time there

    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    and the crowd would have erupted into cheers!
    . . . and thrown coins, like in the Roman days. Bread and games.

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    Allowed to taser a fleeing suspect according to departmental guidelines. A bit open ended with no consideration for the magnitude of the crime or threat to the safety of others. These things can kill. Hundreds of people have died already due to being tasered. Tasers should not become a replacement for fat unfit cops incapable of carrying out their duty due to physical disability.

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    ^Got to agree with that, he needs to go on a fitness course, can't go round tasering people that are not a threat to anyone.




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    The officer is caught in a rather elegant pose considering he comes across as a triple cheesburger sort of guy.

    Great concentration and what a shot eh! Gets his suspect in one, achieves his goal and without any subsequent ill effects to the teenager. Job done!

    Think the photo is likely to take pride of place on his bedroom wall for a while at least.

    I believe that officers can volunteer to be tasered themselves during weapon training so the more inquisitive know what the effects are prior to using the gun on the streets.

    Probably correct that this lad could have been restrained in a more moderate manner but the lad is a bit of a dope after all. Running onto a pitch to disrupt a public event and then trying to avoid capture. An attention seeker who will probably think twice before attempting same.

    I would also mention that if this weapon was so lethal as amnesty international would have us believe then it wouldn't be in use as an alternative to live ammunition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    I would also mention that if this weapon was so lethal as amnesty international would have us believe then it wouldn't be in use as an alternative to live ammunition.
    It is, read the data

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    The officer is caught in a rather elegant pose considering he comes across as a triple cheesburger sort of guy.

    Great concentration and what a shot eh! Gets his suspect in one, achieves his goal and without any subsequent ill effects to the teenager. Job done!

    Think the photo is likely to take pride of place on his bedroom wall for a while at least.

    I believe that officers can volunteer to be tasered themselves during weapon training so the more inquisitive know what the effects are prior to using the gun on the streets.

    Probably correct that this lad could have been restrained in a more moderate manner but the lad is a bit of a dope after all. Running onto a pitch to disrupt a public event and then trying to avoid capture. An attention seeker who will probably think twice before attempting same.

    I would also mention that if this weapon was so lethal as amnesty international would have us believe then it wouldn't be in use as an alternative to live ammunition.
    A coherent post until the last paragraph.

    Are you suggesting the alternative to tasering this guy would have been shooting him in the back? You are putting things way out of context with this situation there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    I would also mention that if this weapon was so lethal as amnesty international would have us believe then it wouldn't be in use as an alternative to live ammunition.
    It is, read the data

    The data is from a news report yes, not from Amnesty themselves.

    I would also question what the figure 350 deaths in the US, if accurate, as a result of having been tasered actually relates to. e.g. does this mean that citizens have fallen off buildings, been involved in motor crashes etc:as a result of having been tasered or have died maybe a year or even 5 years after the event. It all seems a wee bit ambiguous.

    50 deaths linked directly to being tasered. If this figure can be confirmed as accurate then firstly it needs to be brought into context. We would need to know the figure in the US of how many incidents occurred involving tasers and what medical conditons the suspect was suffering from at the time of the incident. Did they die instantly etc:?

    Also, it is important to mention that in the vast majority of incidents officers/citizens are being threatened and what the loss of life would likely to be had an officer not utilised the weapon.
    Unfortunately officers are not in a position to ask the suspect if he suffers from any medical condition prior to operating the non lethal weapon.

    The figures quoted in the news report, if accurate, fail to give a clear picture although i would add that any loss of life, whatever the circumstances is truly tragic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    The officer is caught in a rather elegant pose considering he comes across as a triple cheesburger sort of guy.

    Great concentration and what a shot eh! Gets his suspect in one, achieves his goal and without any subsequent ill effects to the teenager. Job done!

    Think the photo is likely to take pride of place on his bedroom wall for a while at least.

    I believe that officers can volunteer to be tasered themselves during weapon training so the more inquisitive know what the effects are prior to using the gun on the streets.

    Probably correct that this lad could have been restrained in a more moderate manner but the lad is a bit of a dope after all. Running onto a pitch to disrupt a public event and then trying to avoid capture. An attention seeker who will probably think twice before attempting same.

    I would also mention that if this weapon was so lethal as amnesty international would have us believe then it wouldn't be in use as an alternative to live ammunition.
    A coherent post until the last paragraph.

    Are you suggesting the alternative to tasering this guy would have been shooting him in the back? You are putting things way out of context with this situation there.
    No Panda, i am merely stating that the taser is a non-lethal weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    black fans at Wrigley Field in my time there
    blacks WITH fans keeping the whities cool at Wrigley Field.

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    Here's the video. Nice face plant!

    Video: Teen baseball fan Tasered by cops at game Video

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    I think ever since Monica Seles was stabbed in the back at a tournament, there has been a lot less tolerance for idiots running on the field/involving themselves in the game and causing disruptions.

    Yeah, the cop's actions seemed a bit excessive, but maybe the intention of the perpetrator was to do harm to one of the athletes and make a name for himself.

    The stadium isn't public property- the rules of conduct are listed on the back of the ticket (though, perhaps, not the penalties for breaking those rules...)

    Here's a word of advice for the next person who's thinking of trying something like this- stay off the friggin' field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    I would also question what the figure 350 deaths in the US, if accurate, as a result of having been tasered actually relates
    Why would you questions that? Many sources cite up tp 270 deaths directly linked to the taser in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    It all seems a wee bit ambiguous.
    Not at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    Did they die instantly etc:?
    Irrelevant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    Also, it is important to mention that in the vast majority of incidents officers/citizens are being threatened and what the loss of life would likely to be had an officer not utilised the weapon.
    Also irrelevant as the case discussed is the OP, not any other case

    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    Here's a word of advice for the next person who's thinking of trying something like this- stay off the friggin' field

    Indeed . . . you will get brought down and arrested. In he US you will be tasered because the whole society has become so scared and paranoid that even a streaker would be gunned down by some low=brow semi-Neanderthal thug with a badge.

    One of my very best friends is a cop in Phoenix, but one of the things I like least about the US is and always has been the attitude of police

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    triggger happy. bit over the top . cop should have got a bollockin and told to lose weight. $500 fine would keep em off the pitch.

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    The cop would just plead the Twinkie defense and walk. Or the Dunkin' defense in his case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid
    $500 fine would keep em off the pitch.
    That would work and be real simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Allowed to taser a fleeing suspect according to departmental guidelines. A bit open ended with no consideration for the magnitude of the crime or threat to the safety of others. These things can kill. Hundreds of people have died already due to being tasered. Tasers should not become a replacement for fat unfit cops incapable of carrying out their duty due to physical disability.
    Americans are eating this shit up. Apparently they like seeing a kid tortured.

    If he were black somebody might at least give a shit about his civil rights.

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    Must have been something about that night. This happened in England at the same time.


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