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    chaos, dutch Memorial Day

    At the dutch memorial day, some guy starts to shout and panic breaks out, people running every where trying to flee the scene!!?? They obviously had 9-11 on their minds. Many people ( notably kids) where crying afterwards . The news is just a few minutes old so i don't know if anybody has been injured by the mild stampede, i did hear something about a heart attack..?

    This is going too far, everybody seems to be scared out of their minds. While the risk of a terrorist act, untill know, has proven to be extremely small ( much smaller than all the other dangers i can think of) I am worried that the coverage these things get, will encourage people who are instable or have any other reason to commit such a act, to get ideas and try to get attention.

    For years dutch tv had a add about "terrorism, what can you do to stop it ". I wonder if that is a good idea for the society? it obviously works well for politicians, all over the world. a lot of countries in the world ( including asian and african countries) are using al qaeda's threat to justify their policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aras View Post
    At the dutch memorial day, some guy starts to shout and panic breaks out, people running every where trying to flee the scene!!?? They obviously had 9-11 on their minds. Many people ( notably kids) where crying afterwards . The news is just a few minutes old so i don't know if anybody has been injured by the mild stampede, i did hear something about a heart attack..?

    This is going too far, everybody seems to be scared out of their minds. While the risk of a terrorist act, untill know, has proven to be extremely small ( much smaller than all the other dangers i can think of) I am worried that the coverage these things get, will encourage people who are instable or have any other reason to commit such a act, to get ideas and try to get attention.

    For years dutch tv had a add about "terrorism, what can you do to stop it ". I wonder if that is a good idea for the society? it obviously works well for politicians, all over the world. a lot of countries in the world ( including asian and african countries) are using al qaeda's threat to justify their policies.

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    A timely observation, Aras. Two semi-quotations come to mind:

    ' If people lose faith in their leaders, they're easier to influence and to control'.
    {from the children's story, Chicken Little ("The sky is falling!")}

    And,

    'All you have to do is tell the people that their country is being attacked and that if they don't defend it, they're being UNPATRIOTIC. It works every time!'
    {from SS General Goebels of the infamous Third Reich}

    One-hundred years from now, our history shall have been re-written and re-published to suit the mandates of corporate feudalism.

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    Dutch courage seems to be an apt description . . .

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    You can't blame the reaction of those people. I'm sure most of us here would react in the same way.

    This new age of terror that has dawned on the world has unleashed a mistrust, an over-reaction and an acceptance of our own governments' tighter grip on our personal rights and freedoms.

    Just the whisper of Al-Qaeda, is enough to bring a gathering of this nature to its knees.

    I really can't see a positive ending to this . All I can see for the future is a further split in the now fragile relationship the west has with the Middle East. In the name of Crude, Mohammed, Jesus and democracy, no one is right and no one is wrong!

    With the thirst for oil only going to increase, maybe new alliances will emerge. Where will that leave the West and Israel, who knows?

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    where did all this happen ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    where did all this happen ?
    Dutch Remembrance Day. Amsterdam, Holland.

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    Cheeseheads . . . one guy starts shouting and the whole lot of them panic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathstardan
    You can't blame the reaction of those people. I'm sure most of us here would react in the same way. This new age of terror that has dawned on the world has unleashed a mistrust, an over-reaction and an acceptance of our own governments' tighter grip on our personal rights and freedoms. Just the whisper of Al-Qaeda, is enough to bring a gathering of this nature to its knees.
    I don't know what country you are from, but I doubt you would get this reaction in the UK. People in the UK have grown-up with terrorism on the door step. It's nothing new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    I don't know what country you are from, but I doubt you would get this reaction in the UK. People in the UK have grown-up with terrorism on the door step. It's nothing new.
    Shit, agree with EN again

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by deathstardan
    You can't blame the reaction of those people. I'm sure most of us here would react in the same way. This new age of terror that has dawned on the world has unleashed a mistrust, an over-reaction and an acceptance of our own governments' tighter grip on our personal rights and freedoms. Just the whisper of Al-Qaeda, is enough to bring a gathering of this nature to its knees.
    I don't know what country you are from, but I doubt you would get this reaction in the UK. People in the UK have grown-up with terrorism on the door step. It's nothing new.
    From England.

    Next Remembrance Sunday, at the Epitaph, make some kind of noise/distraction and see what happens.

    Or go to the subway in London and jump a barrier...No over-reaction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathstardan
    Next Remembrance Sunday, at the Epitaph, make some kind of noise/distraction and see what happens.
    Why on earth would I do that?

    Quote Originally Posted by deathstardan
    Or go to the subway in London and jump a barrier...No over-reaction?
    Completely different. That was part of an operation being carried out by the Met. police were hunting four men believed to be involved in the failed bombing the day before. Intelligence had linked the men to the same building as Jean Charles de Menezes lived. The communal entrance under surveillance and when Menezes left, he was placed under surveillance also, and so it went from there. That has nothing to do with how the UK public would respond under the circumstances in the OP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by deathstardan
    Next Remembrance Sunday, at the Epitaph, make some kind of noise/distraction and see what happens.
    Why on earth would I do that?

    Quote Originally Posted by deathstardan
    Or go to the subway in London and jump a barrier...No over-reaction?
    Completely different. That was part of an operation being carried out by the Met. police were hunting four men believed to be involved in the failed bombing the day before. Intelligence had linked the men to the same building as Jean Charles de Menezes lived. The communal entrance under surveillance and when Menezes left, he was placed under surveillance also, and so it went from there. That has nothing to do with how the UK public would respond under the circumstances in the OP.
    I want you to make a noise to see what the reaction would be...

    To gauge the temperament of the English under a perceived terrorist threat at a public event...Cool as a cucumber...OK....I believe you.

    And regarding Menezes.

    It has nothing to do with the public's reaction but it shows what can happen in the UK when there is once again, a perceived threat!

    Your judging of the Dutch is because of you being a UK citizen, living under the threat of the IRA/INLA etc for many years and now the threat of Muslim extremists. Maybe for the Dutch they are not so used to living under such conditions and to some, this event could have been terrifying to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathstardan
    Maybe for the Dutch they are not so used to living under such conditions and to some, this event could have been terrifying to say the least.
    How could it be . . . their food culture is enough to scare away even the most ardent terrorist

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    AMSTERDAM: A panic broke out at a Dutch war memorial service in central Amsterdam, setting off a stampede that injured at least 30 people and prompted bodyguards to evacuate the royal family.

    The incident came just over one year after an assassination attempt against Queen Beatrix.

    A man began to yell during a moment of silence during the annual service to memorialise the nation's war dead. Someone then reportedly discovered a suspicious suitcase, and several people were trampled in the resulting panic. Two people have been arrested in conjunction with the incident, police said.

    The royal family later returned to the scene, and the ceremony was completed without further incident.

    Queen Beatrix, Crown Prince Willem-Alexander and his wife, Princess Maxima, later visited some of the injured.

    During a celebration of Queen's Day April 30, 2009, a 38-year-old man drove his vehicle into a procession, aiming at the bus in which the royal family were riding. He died after crashing his car into a monument near the bus.

    The scare prompted tightened security at public events involving the royal family.

    Stampede at Dutch war memorial service - Rest of World - World - The Times of India

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    I got to agree with noodles in that I don't think that sort of panic would happen in the UK, but it does show how scared the world is getting though, Bush has done a good job on that one.


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