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    Clegg ahead after first UK televised debate

    Verdict: The Polls
    Telegraph: Clegg: 40 per cent, Brown: 16 per cent, Cameron: 44 per cent.
    Sky: Clegg: 37 per cent, Brown: 32 per cent, Cameron: 31 per cent.
    ITV: Clegg: 43 per cent, Brown: 20 per cent, Cameron: 26 per cent.



    Unfortunatly I missed the live debate due to work; been looking forward to it so much all day too.


    Just got home and found out that the live votes after the 90 minute spectacle Nicholas clegg has came out in front; in regards to the new programme of broadcasting the first ever TV debates.


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    It may not have quite lived up to the hype that preceded it, but last night's televised debate between the three party leaders made for a more interesting spectacle than many had feared. The format, though rigidly regulated, encouraged the sort of political cut and thrust that has been noticeably absent during the campaign. Even the absence of applause, which seemed an odd rule, meant that the participants did not try to play to the gallery. It was a seminal night for British politics to see the three leaders together, and while the structure of the event tended to prevent any drama, it nevertheless gave a much-needed lift to what has so far been a lacklustre campaign.


    As to who won, the arguments will doubtless continue for days as the party spinners (who were in operation even before the debate started) try to turn opinion in favour of their candidate. It was not a disaster for any of them – but nor was it an unmitigated triumph. No knockout blow was landed. There are two rounds to go, and after last night's opening they should be worth watching.


    David Cameron came across as the relatively young, energetic and articulate individual that we know him to be; Gordon Brown tended towards waffle and repetition, often seeking refuge in reams of statistics; and Nick Clegg sought to appear relaxed, confident and the voice of sweet reason, playing the other two against each other – with some success, it must be said.


    In terms of policy, we learned little that we did not know already. Mr Brown was weak on immigration, unconvincing on crime and perversely thinks he has a strong hand to play on the economy, despite presiding over the country's worst ever deficit.

    Mr Clegg had the advantage of leading a party that has not been in government for 80 years, so could not be blamed for the mistakes of the past. Mr Cameron was on top of his brief, and effectively drove home the Tory intention to stop the planned rise in National Insurance contributions.


    A majority of people watching last night were probably eager to get the measure of Mr Cameron most of all. They already know Mr Brown and, judging by the opinion polls, do not much care for him. Mr Clegg will not be prime minister, however much he wishes to be, even if he might have a say in who is.

    But even though Mr Cameron does have a realistic chance of entering No 10 in three weeks' time, he remains an unknown quantity to many voters. He
    did well, especially with his peroration, and will be keen to use the two further debates to reinforce his claim for the job. But he knows now, if he did not know it before, that a significant obstacle to that ambition is Mr Clegg.
    Now that is the Telegraph view In which their readers thought the Cons came out better.


    The press tomorrow will be interesting - My standing recentley is that fuck Labour and Tories if Britian wants real change lets use the other alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Brown View Post
    My standind recentley is that fuck Labour and Tories if Britian wants real change lets use the other alternative.

    Im increasingly sharing the same sentiment.

    It all seemed too stage managed for me, and didnt really answer any real questions in detail. There just seemed to be a string of sound bites that barely scratched the surface of the issues that faces us all at the moment.

    It may improve over the coming weeks. Lets see
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    It was stage managed as far as audience involvement.

    The Lib Dems won't have a chance of getting in power but I hope they could become the opposistion. If more people vote for retarded parties they have more chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Brown
    Mr Clegg will not be prime minister, however much he wishes to be, even if he might have a say in who is.
    Why won't he become Prime minister? Looking at the votes he's a sure winner, must be missing something.





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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Brown
    Mr Clegg will not be prime minister, however much he wishes to be, even if he might have a say in who is.
    Why won't he become Prime minister? Looking at the votes he's a sure winner, must be missing something.




    What you are missing is that the poll is about who did well on the programme; that has no correlation on how people will vote for their mp at the election

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    So.? thread titles good.. throw a UK weather banner underneath its all good

    Seriously I really hope the Lib Dems can make some ground; I don't earn over 25,000 a year yet. tax regs are in my favour

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    Lib Dems seem a bit too liberal on immigration IMO (not that I'm a raving racist, you understand).
    The problem would be if enough people voted for Lib Dems and that there would then be a hung Parliament or if Labour scrapes an unworkably small majority. He would then have to compromise with the Libs and I dont really think a "LibLab" compromise alliance would be that great.
    A small Tory victory which needs Lib support might work though.

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    ^^^ tribal voting

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    What a wonderful day it would be to be rid of the Labour and Conservative party.

    If the Libs stood a chance, I'd get on a plane and fly back to vote!

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    British politics seem just as desperate and pitiful as American politics; the Conservatives are destroying the Country so lets bring in the liberals. Will they be any better? Probably not, but there is no other choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    British politics seem just as desperate and pitiful as American politics; the Conservatives are destroying the Country so lets bring in the liberals. Will they be any better? Probably not, but there is no other choice.
    You've got it a bit wrong Bob. The UK has had a (nominally) left wing govt since '97.

    The Liberal Democrats are the centrist party in UK politics.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7
    A small Tory victory which needs Lib support might work though.
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    If the Libs stood a chance, I'd get on a plane and fly back to vote!
    I could never bring myself to hope for even a small Tory victory, but I'd certainly like to see the Lib Dems gain some real influence. That Clegg guy seems like a sharp cookie.
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    I would like to see Vince Cable as chancellor but I am a bit wary of the libs winning outright

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    Clegg? Wasn't he one of the old guys on the last of the summer wine

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    Did anybody here get to watch it yet? From what I can find on the intertubes it basically boiled down to this:

    Brown: "I haven't f*cked it up that badly!"
    Cameron: "We haven't f*cked it up in thirteen years, give us a chance!"
    Clegg: "We've never even had a chance to f*ck it up! Vote for us!"

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    Yep, that about sums it up.

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    A lot of people for some unbeknown reason seem unaware that the LibDems are on the loony left of the British political spectrum, so why any disgruntled Tory would ever consider voting for them is beyond me, if somehow the unthinkable happens and Clegg became PM he would fok Britain up beyond repair, although it is arguable it is already, all hope would be lost forever should he take up residence at No.10. Cameron is still the best hope for Britain given the choices, shows how desperate we are though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7 View Post
    I would like to see Vince Cable as chancellor but I am a bit wary of the libs winning outright
    The Libs do not have a chance of becoming the next Government,they havent been out of power for eighty years for nothing.
    Clegg is very credible and certainly won the debate last night. His main problem is he is Leader of a lousy party that forever change their mind,and introduce wooly minded Policies and sit on the fence ideas according to whats best for the Party,and what grabs votes!, most of the electorate saw through this tactic years ago.


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    As long as Labour are soundly and utterly destroyed, I don't care who gets in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Brown
    Mr Clegg will not be prime minister, however much he wishes to be, even if he might have a say in who is.
    Why won't he become Prime minister? Looking at the votes he's a sure winner, must be missing something.




    I do not think the whole of the UK voted in this pole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    As long as Labour are soundly and utterly destroyed, I don't care who gets in.
    Ditto, bunch of tards !

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    Clegg belongs on a reality TV show, seems more suited to Jeremy Khyle than to a PM.

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    I thought Clegg came across very well, he had nothing to lose as a lot of people have no idea who he is. He looked compsed, confident and was certainly not intimidated.

    Brown i thought did ok. It was always going to be difficult for the incumbent PM.

    Cameron, the usual patronising tory cknt, with a bunch of hooray henrys behind him.

    I think we will see a hung parliament with a Lib Lab pact that includes Cable in number 11. Most people i have spoken to in the UK agree its been a global problem, it will be sorted, many, many people in the UK have not suffered at all so far, the biggest threat now is inflation follwed by increased interest rates. Weak is good for the UK, hardly a hotel room left for this summer here, fully booked with European tourists.
    We dont want the huge unemplyment that has always come with a conservative goverment,and its selfish policies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower
    with a bunch of hooray henrys behind him.
    Bollocks, just an image dreamed up by the left to anger the voters, 'who do they think they are, spending all their money that they worked hard for'.

    Give me a break, the quicker this country is run by the con's the better.

    I went to boarding school and I don't know anyone called Henry.
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    You went to boarding school, well good for you, its a shame you did not have parents that wanted you at home with them.

    These conservatives are Thatchers bloody children, lets go back to 3 million unemployed and 15% interest rates, so the rich can sit back and watch their invested money grow and grow at the expense of the great unwashed.

    Thank God they were not in power during this financial crisis, Norman Lamont, visibly soiled his pants, panicked, errr........ ERM........... eer ................eer interst rates 5% make it 8% buy more stirling............eer 10% interest rates, sorry, make that 15%......buy more stirling or shall we leave the the club?

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