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    Top Tory: 'Let B&Bs Turn Away Gay Couples'

    1:26pm UK, Sunday April 04, 2010
    Graham Fitzgerald, Sky News Online
    Bed and breakfasts run by Christians should be allowed to turn away gay couples on religious grounds, a leading Conservative has said.


    Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said hotels should not be allowed to discriminate against homosexuals.
    But, in a secret recording, he suggested individuals should have the right to decide who stays in their home.
    The comments, made at a meeting of the Centre for Policy Studies thinktank, have sparked anger among gay rights activists.
    After his remarks were published in The Observer, Mr Grayling said he was not opposed to gay rights and would not be pressing for a change in the law.
    The row comes after the owner of the Swiss B&B in Cookham, Berkshire, was reported to the police for refusing to take in a gay couple on the grounds it was against her Christian principles.
    The recording of the meeting on Wednesday shows Mr Grayling said: "I think we need to allow people to have their own consciences.


    I don't think anyone, including the Tories, wants to go back to the days where there is a sign outside saying: 'No gays, no blacks, no Irish'.
    Stonewall chief executive Ben Summerskill

    "I took the view that if it's a question of somebody who's doing a B&B in their own home, that individual should have the right to decide who does and who doesn't come into their own home."


    The couple who were refused a room by the Swiss B&B told Sky News Mr Grayling's comments were "nearly as bad as being turned away from the B&B in the first place".


    "You don't expect that sort of attitude from a public figure. You expect it from some anonymous bigot, maybe, but not from someone in his position," Michael Black said, sitting next to his partner John Morgan.


    Business Secretary Peter Mandelson told Sky News the row said a "great deal" about the Conservatives.


    I think what it shows is that the Tories haven't really changed. When the camera is on they say one thing, when the camera is off they say another," he said.

    "The law is the law and we should live within it," he added.
    Ben Summerskill, chief executive of the gay rights group Stonewall, said the comments would be "very alarming to a lot of gay people who may have been thinking of voting Conservative".


    He said allowing B&B owners to turn away gay couples would be contrary to sex equality legislation brought in in 2007 - which Mr Grayling backed.


    "The legal position is perfectly clear," Mr Summerskill told The Observer.

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    If the establishment or business is your own, you should be allowed to deal with (or not) whoever you want.

    I can't see why they have a problem with gays, but each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    If the establishment or business is your own, you should be allowed to deal with (or not) whoever you want.
    Jaysus Marmite, let's wind back the clock 50 years or so.


    I don't think anyone, including the Tories, wants to go back to the days where there is a sign outside saying: 'No gays, no blacks, no Irish'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    no Irish'.
    Quite right too.

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    And no monkeys or hirsute individuals at all at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    Jaysus Marmite, let's wind back the clock 50 years or so.
    I agree with MtD on this one.

    I think they should have the right to not do business with gays, just as a guest-house run by somebody else should be allowed to decline to do business with religious nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    Jaysus Marmite, let's wind back the clock 50 years or so.
    Why shouldn't people be free to do business with who they like? I agree that anyone who discriminates against other people (except idiots) is wrong, but I still believe they have the right to do business with whoever they like and that PCness shouldn't be forced upon them.

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    Disagree.

    If you set up a place, be it a shop or a guest house, a pub or a park, you've set it up for the public to use.

    You're looking at making money out of paying customers.

    IMHO you've then got to accept the mores of society and accommodate all and sundry.

    The Hilton would not have done this.

    The fact that it's a guest house/B&B is irrelevant.

    They opened it up to the public.

    You don't want gays, darkies, midgets, ducks or hairy people in your house?

    Don't turn your house into a "guest House".

    Accept the consequences.

    Harsh but Fair.

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    I think they're just worried about the poo be everywhere.

    Wonder if they accept men with prostitues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    refusing to take in a gay couple on the grounds it was against her Christian principles
    Yet the couple were, I think, christians.
    Just shows what a crock of shit religion is.

    Anyway I'm with MtD on this one.
    It's her house and she may have her grandchildren there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    IMHO you've then got to accept the mores of society and accommodate all and sundry.
    Like fuck you have.
    It's my business and I will choose my own customers
    Last edited by Thetyim; 05-04-2010 at 05:54 PM.

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    Like so many recent recent UK edicts put out by Labour, this one is pretty unenforcable. Whats happened to the B&B lady who turned the gay couple away - nothing. What can be done - nothing.

    Its the same with the ban on hunting with hounds, how can the Police effectively deal with it - answer - they can't, as they warned.

    We would need an even greater army of officials and Police than we currently have to enforce all the new laws that have been created. Luckily, Labour quickly dropped their recent proposal that all dog owners take out unsurance after being ridiculed. Meanwhile ASBO's (in reality, real crime known by another name) get ignored, louts still harrass eledrly folk to death and we electonically tag a Grandma for selling a goldfish.

    Madness.

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    Of course the woman should be in her rights to refuse them a room, i mean who the hell wants 2 dirty old blokes buggering each other all night in their house??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    It's my business and I will choose my own customers
    Discrimination?



    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    It's her house and she may have her grandchildren there
    She's opened it up to the public.

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    If you open your house to the public, you have to accept all and sundry, as was said

    however, if you are clever about it, no-one would know, would they?

    it reminds me of the time I was in France with a Malay girl. I went into a hotel in Burgundy and requested a room, the woman was all smiles and no problem

    when I came back later with the brown cutie in tow, her face dropped a mile and there were no more smiles

    she would have refused me the room if we had gone in together, I am sure
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    it reminds me of the time I was in France with a Malay girl. I went into a hotel in Burgundy and requested a room, the woman was all smiles and no problem when I came back later with the brown cutie in tow, her face dropped a mile and there were no more smiles
    If you were in Paris they would've given your missus the room and told you to fuck off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    Jaysus Marmite, let's wind back the clock 50 years or so.
    I agree with MtD on this one.

    I think they should have the right to not do business with gays, just as a guest-house run by somebody else should be allowed to decline to do business with religious nuts.


    Especially Catholic Priests with young boys in tow.

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    What's the law? "The management have the right to refuse"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    It's my business and I will choose my own customers
    Discrimination?



    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    It's her house and she may have her grandchildren there
    She's opened it up to the public.
    No discrimination in Thailand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    IMHO you've then got to accept the mores of society and accommodate all and sundry.
    Like fuck you have.
    It's my business and I will choose my own customers
    Me too I will choose my own punters and it wont be a couple of shirt lifters

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    I don't think anyone, including the Tories, wants to go back to the days where there is a sign outside saying: 'No gays, no blacks, no Irish'.
    They don't? I think a large segment of the UK population would be very happy with that scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    And no monkeys or hirsute individuals at all at all.
    Thailand had such laws posted on arrival at its international airports up until about 10 years ago.

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    Jeepers creepers.
    He ain't just a leading Tory for gowds sake, he is the current shadow home secretary, possible future home secretary,
    He voted for the anti-discrimination bill against his own view.
    hypocrite.
    Not a word from "did I or didn't I do drugs" cameron either.

    So much for the tories changing...same old tories

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    I don't think anyone, including the Tories, wants to go back to the days where there is a sign outside saying: 'No gays, no blacks, no Irish'.
    They don't? I think a large segment of the UK population would be very happy with that scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    And no monkeys or hirsute individuals at all at all.
    Thailand had such laws posted on arrival at its international airports up until about 10 years ago.
    Still have them laws

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    I just love living in Thailand I can be as racist as I want, love it when I listen to poo ying slagging off them Issarn monkeys

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHYTALK View Post
    So much for the tories changing...same old tories
    And just what the country needs, no more of this socialist PC bollox, if you don't want a couple of fags staying in your gaff it should be your right without fear of consequences.

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