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    Bulger Mother's Fury Over Adviser's 'Insult'

    10:57pm UK, Saturday March 13, 2010
    Alison Chung and Tom Bonnett, Sky News Online
    The mother of James Bulger has called for a senior government adviser to be sacked after she described the toddler's killing as "exceptionally unpleasant".

    Bulger Mother's Fury Over Adviser's 'Insult'


    10:57pm UK, Saturday March 13, 2010
    Alison Chung and Tom Bonnett, Sky News Online
    The mother of James Bulger has called for a senior government adviser to be sacked after she described the toddler's killing as "exceptionally unpleasant".


    Children's Commissioner for England Maggie Atkinson made the remark while explaining why she thought James's 10-year-old killers should never have been prosecuted.
    "What they did was exceptionally unpleasant and the fact that a little boy ended up dead is not something the nation can easily forget, but they shouldn't have been tried in an adult court because they were still children," she said.
    James's mother Denise Fergus demanded an apology over the comments she described as "twisted and insensitive", adding Dr Atkinson should then "resign or be sacked".
    "To describe the murder of James as 'unpleasant' is an insult to his memory, and a downright lie," she told the Mercury Press.
    "What they did to James was completely inhuman and to try to say it was 'unpleasant' is outrageous.
    "To say that James 'ended up dead' is callous and almost makes it sound like an accident. I am furious about the way she has described his murder."



    Dr Atkinson, who was appointed to the post last autumn, called for the age of criminal responsibility to be raised from 10 to 12 years old.
    A civilised society should recognise that children who commit offences should be treated differently from adult criminals, she told The Times. But the Government said the age of criminal responsibility would not be raised.
    A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: "We believe that children aged 10 and over can differentiate between bad behaviour and serious wrongdoing.
    "We do not intend to raise the age of criminal responsibility. It is not in the interests of justice, of victims, or the young people themselves, to prevent serious offending being challenged."
    Dr Atkinson's comments came after Ms Fergus met Justice Secretary Jack Straw to discuss the return to custody of her two-year-old son's killer Jon Venables.
    Mr Straw has refused to confirm the details of why Venables was returned to prison.

    Denise Fergus wants apology


    Dr Atkinson insisted Venables and Robert Thompson, who were charged in 1993 with the James's murder, needed to be in a contained environment like a youth justice facility and given programmes to help them turn their lives around.
    Venables' breaking of the terms of his "life licence" which saw him recalled to custody should actually help to force a debate on the effectiveness of the current system, she said.
    But Ms Fergus claimed Dr Atkinson was factually incorrect in saying that James's killers should have taken programmes to turn their lives around rather than being jailed.
    She said: "They never spent a day in jail. They were sent to children's homes where they were given kid glove treatment, computer games and the best of everything. They were rewarded for murder and left thinking they had got away with it.
    "I also believe in the possibility of rehabilitation. But for it to have a chance of working the offender first needs to face proper punishment for the crime and that is exactly what Thompson and Venables never had.
    "The fact that Venables has been accused of breaching his parole shows that all the programmes he was put on did not change him inside. He should have been punished and perhaps now that will happen."

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    "I also believe in the possibility of rehabilitation. But for it to have a chance of working the offender first needs to face proper punishment for the crime and that is exactly what Thompson and Venables never had.
    "The fact that Venables has been accused of breaching his parole shows that all the programmes he was put on did not change him inside. He should have been punished and perhaps now that will happen."
    shes absolutely right.

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    ^Totally agree. 'Extremely unpleasant' describes unusually bad weather, not the brutal murder of a child. The lady should be sacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    But for it to have a chance of working the offender first needs to face proper punishment for the crime and that is exactly what Thompson and Venables never had.
    well if they had been hanged?

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    Maybe if this stupid bit*h had been watching her child the murder never would have happened. She looks like a poster child for why older men leave Britain and move to Pattaya.
    Last edited by BobR; 14-03-2010 at 11:50 AM. Reason: spelling

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    ^ you are fucking nuts, are parents supposed to lock their kids up in their bedroom 24/7 to protect them from crazy preditors

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    ^The 'kid' was two years old.

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    abducted from a shopping mall
    mother's attention distracted for a short period
    child gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnwadrick View Post
    ^ you are fucking nuts, are parents supposed to lock their kids up in their bedroom 24/7 to protect them from crazy preditors
    No I agree it was a tragedy, but she is using it to milk extra time out of her 15 minutes of fame. Since it was her distraction that allowed it to happen, her insistence on still playing the "outraged victim" role is quite spurious.

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    I would have thought it is still a living nightmare for her

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    Maybe if this stupid bit*h had been watching her child the murder never would have happened. She looks like a poster child for why older men leave Britain and move to Pattaya.
    Bob thats a bit harsh

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    She will live through that nightmare till the day she dies

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    Bob i sincerly hope that you never have to go through the expirence of having a child of yours (if you have any that is ) abducted and murdered,and i request that you show some compasion for her, as other posters have remarked that poor Woman must re-live that moment of lack of concentration every day and will continue to do so for the rest of her life. It's not about 15 minutes of fame, it's about justice for her Son, if thats possible in the UK, one of the scumbags that murdered her Son has just apparantly been left off a Child porn case ..
    The saying no smoke without fire springs very much to mind here.
    Travel lightly ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Carnwadrick View Post
    ^ you are fucking nuts, are parents supposed to lock their kids up in their bedroom 24/7 to protect them from crazy preditors
    No I agree it was a tragedy, but she is using it to milk extra time out of her 15 minutes of fame. Since it was her distraction that allowed it to happen, her insistence on still playing the "outraged victim" role is quite spurious.

    That calls for my first ever red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    Maybe if this stupid bit*h had been watching her child the murder never would have happened
    obvious
    but she wasn't
    so who do you blame?
    The evil little bastards or the distracted mum?
    The mum did not torture and murder the little child
    get your priorities right

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    What the Children's Commissioner said was ""What [Venables and Thompson] did was exceptionally unpleasant and the fact that a little boy ended up dead..."

    "exceptionally unpleasant" "ended up dead"

    shame on her. i'm glad she has found no backing for her comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Carnwadrick View Post
    ^ you are fucking nuts, are parents supposed to lock their kids up in their bedroom 24/7 to protect them from crazy preditors
    No I agree it was a tragedy, but she is using it to milk extra time out of her 15 minutes of fame. Since it was her distraction that allowed it to happen, her insistence on still playing the "outraged victim" role is quite spurious.

    That calls for my first ever red.
    And one of the very few I have given.

    Way way out of order there BobR. The "outraged victim" as you put it had her two-year-old child tortured and slaughtered by these evil fcuks. Her momentary distraction is going to haunt her until her dying day.

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    presumably she is a labour govt appointee?
    If so they are handing the nation to the Torries on a silver platter

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    The murder

    CCTV evidence from the New Strand Shopping Centre in Bootle taken on 12 February 1993 showed Thompson and Venables casually observing children, selecting a target. The boys were truant from school.[3] Throughout the day, Thompson and Venables were seen stealing various items including sweets, a troll doll, some batteries and a can of blue paint,[4] some of which were found at the murder scene.[5] It was later revealed by one of the boys that they were planning to find a child to abduct, lead it to the busy road alongside the mall, and push it into car traffic.[6]



    That same afternoon, James Bulger (often mentioned as "Jamie Bulger" in press reports, although never called "Jamie" by his family)[7], from nearby Kirkby, went with his mother Denise to the New Strand Shopping Centre. While inside a butcher's shop at around 3:40pm, Denise realised that her son had disappeared.[8] He had wandered out of the shop on his own and was spotted by the two boys. They approached him and spoke to him, before taking him by the hand and leading him out of the precinct.[9] This moment was captured on a CCTV camera recording timestamped at 3:42pm.[10]
    The boys took Bulger on a 2.5-mile (4.0 km) walk across Liverpool, leading him to a canal where he sustained injuries to his head and face.[3] During the walk, the boys were seen by 38 people.[11] Bulger was clearly distressed, but most bystanders did nothing to intervene, assuming that he was a younger brother.[3] Two people challenged the older boys, but they claimed that Bulger was a younger brother or that he was lost and they were taking him to the local police station.[12] Eventually the boys led Bulger to a railway line near the disused Walton & Anfield railway station, close to Walton Lane police station and Anfield Cemetery, where they attacked him.[3]
    Murder of James Bulger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    She will live through that nightmare till the day she dies
    Hopefully it's taught a few other parents not to be negligent.

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    And what of the killers parents? Why wasn't they brought to call? They raised them. They should also be responsible seeing as young children always emulate their parents.

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    I suppose kids will be kids, I know when I was a kid although I dont remmeber being that age, I was a little twat I would be off on the fields or the park maybe the sense of adventure, freedom whatever you want to call it I used to get some bollickings

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    What they did wasn't brought on by nurture but by their severely fucked up nature..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopskimoet View Post
    And what of the killers parents? Why wasn't they brought to call? They raised them. They should also be responsible seeing as young children always emulate their parents.
    I think in Thailand maybe a law about that parents being responsible for their children, but you are right

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    I suppose kids will be kids,
    evil murderers?

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