Pope's Bro Linked to Latest Pedophile Scandal ?

**MustavaMond** · 10-03-2010, 10:19 AM

Pope's brother linked to new claims of child abuse by clergy - Europe, World - The Independent

Pope's brother linked to new claims of child abuse by clergy

Fresh allegations emerge over Bavarian school where Georg Ratzinger led choir for 30 years
By Jerome Taylor, Religious Affairs Correspondent

Tuesday, 9 March 2010

A series of allegations in Germany and Holland have plunged the Catholic Church into a renewed crisis over how it has dealt with child abuse after it emerged that the Pope's brother ran a renowned choir at the centre of some of the latest claims.
Reports of systematic historical abuse by clergy have surfaced at three schools in the Regensburg diocese in Bavaria. One of them is the much-heralded Regensburger Domspatzen, a thousand-year-old male choir and boarding school, whose choral master for 30 years was the Pope's older brother, Georg Ratzinger.
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Monsignor Ratzinger has agreed to testify in any eventual prosecutions – but says that he knew of no abuse. And last night the German Justice Minister, Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, joined a growing chorus of politicians in Berlin to criticise the church over its attitude to the investigation, accusing Catholic institutions of a policy of secrecy.
"In many schools there was a wall of silence allowing for abuse and violence," said Ms Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, a prominent critic of the church. She pointed to a Vatican directive from 2001 which required that even the most damaging allegations should be first investigated internally and then reported to the authorities. A church spokesman called her criticisms "absurd".
A separate sex scandal has also enveloped the Catholic Church in the Netherlands after three people said they were abused at a boarding school run by priests in the 1960s. Since the allegations were published on Friday more than 200 people have come forward to a designated helpline claiming that they were also abused by monks and priests.
The new allegations are a source of major embarrassment to the Vatican, which had been hoping to draw a line under child abuse. Over the past decade the issue has enormously damaged the church's reputation and finances.
The allegations in Germany first surfaced last month when investigators began looking into a series of Jesuit schools, but the scandal broadened out over the weekend into the heart of deeply Catholic Bavaria. The allegations coming out of the Regensburg diocese are particularly awkward because the Pope and his brother spent much of their careers in senior positions there, which will inevitably raise questions as to whether they ever encountered or heard about clergy who sexually abused minors.
Throughout the 1970s Joseph Ratzinger taught theology at the University of Regensburg. His older brother Georg took over the Regensburger Domspatzen in 1964 and, over the next 30 years, helped turn the male-only choir into one of the best in the world.
But he says that he never heard of any abuse in his time with the choir. Asked by the Italian newspaper La Repubblica whether he would talk to German officials, the 86-year-old Mgr Ratzinger replied: "Obviously I'd be ready to do so, but I am not able to provide any information on any deed that could be punished, because I don't have any – I never knew anything about it."
Any abuse at the Regensburger Domspatzen, he said, occurred before he took over. He did admit that pupils at the school were subjected to a climate of "discipline and rigour" but added that this was necessary in order to reach "a high musical, artistic level".
But Franz Wittenbrink, a German composer who lived at the school until 1967, described the school as being run by "a sophisticated system of sadistic punishments in connection with sexual lust". He was also quoted by Der Spiegel as saying that it was "inexplicable" that the Pope's brother knew nothing of what was happening.
The new sex scandals have emerged just weeks after Pope Benedict XVI gave Ireland's bishops a public dressing down for failing to deal with child abuse which he described as a "heinous crime". He also called on Catholic bishops to tackle allegations with "honesty and courage". But, while the Vatican has given its backing to a full investigation of the allegations, the Pope has so far remained personally silent on the matter.
We Are Church, a prominent Christian support network for abuse victims, has now called on the Pope publicly to declare whether he knew of any abuse allegations when he was a bishop.
"He must answer the question about what he knew and what he did about it," said Christian Weisner, the group's German spokesperson.

**StrontiumDog** · 10-03-2010, 11:17 AM

I'm sure they heard of or knew about it....impossible not to. We already know the pope was involved in the child abuse investigations previously, which failed to find much evidence.

One wonders just how involved the pope and his brother were. I have had my suspicions that the popes involvement was more than we are ever likely to find out about....

**malako** · 10-03-2010, 11:40 AM

They'll be scrambling to cover this one up.

Too close to the top for comfort.

Bunch of old wierdos...

**Mid** · 10-03-2010, 11:43 AM

BERLIN — The pope's brother said in a newspaper interview published Tuesday that he slapped pupils as punishment after he took over a renowned German boys' choir in the 1960s. He also said he was aware of allegations of physical abuse at an elementary school linked to the choir but did nothing about it.

The Rev. Georg Ratzinger, 86, said he was completely unaware of allegations of sexual abuse at the Regensburger Domspatzen boys choir, part of a string of charges of sex abuse by church employees across Europe in recent days.

The Associated Press: Pope's brother: I ignored physical abuse reports

**Mid** · 10-03-2010, 11:46 AM

Pope's Bro Linked to Latest Pedophile Scandal ?

v's

Pope's brother: I ignored physical abuse reports

seems to me your guilty of what you rant against MustavaMond

**Mr R Sole** · 10-03-2010, 11:50 AM

Now three hail Mary's and off to bed with you..... I'll be in later!!!!

DIRTY BASTARDS

**MustavaMond** · 10-03-2010, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

BERLIN — The pope's brother said in a newspaper interview published Tuesday that he slapped pupils as punishment after he took over a renowned German boys' choir in the 1960s. He also said he was aware of allegations of physical abuse at an elementary school linked to the choir but did nothing about it.

The Rev. Georg Ratzinger, 86, said he was completely unaware of allegations of sexual abuse at the Regensburger Domspatzen boys choir, part of a string of charges of sex abuse by church employees across Europe in recent days.

The Associated Press: Pope's brother: I ignored physical abuse reports

This is an Independent article ...separate from your AP report link .
He is linked, worked there for 30 years and I did insert a question mark ( ? ) and how am I profiting from war and disease?

**slackula** · 10-03-2010, 01:18 PM

If you want to molest children, it's best to have Papal dispensation.

**Mid** · 10-03-2010, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Deliberately Dis-Informs in Order to Further Its Own Agenda

stick to the facts , no need for embellishment

**Happyman** · 10-03-2010, 01:42 PM

The only perhaps 'good' thing is as they were abusing boys they couldn't pass their mutant genes on !!!

**MustavaMond** · 10-03-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Deliberately Dis-Informs in Order to Further Its Own Agenda

stick to the facts , no need for embellishment

He worked there for 30 years, a clear link, not an embellishment and the article headline is ;

Pope's brother linked to new claims of child abuse by clergy - Europe, World - The Independent

I even added a question mark.

**dirtydog** · 10-03-2010, 05:57 PM

Your headline is different to the rest of the worlds....
Pope's Bro Linked to Latest Pedophile Scandal ?

**dirtydog** · 10-03-2010, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

a clear link, not an embellishment and the article headline is

He may have been to Iraq, Iran or Saudi, does that make him a terrorist?

**MustavaMond** · 11-03-2010, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Your headline is different to the rest of the worlds....
Pope's Bro Linked to Latest Pedophile Scandal ?

30 years working at the establishment named in the latest scandal, acknowledging his own physical abuse of students, and the Catholic Church's propensity for covering up allegations of pedophilia.....

no link , at all?

Pope's brother linked to new claims of child abuse by clergy - Europe, World - The Independent
is the headline from the article I copied. Note it is the Independent news in UK, not the AP story Mid linked to.

It uses the word "linked , latest and child abuse ," not pedophile, however that term is in the body of the article and the bulk of the article deals with that allegation.

BTW Some say the Ratsi family could be called a Nazi, too. Both were brown shirted youths who went around spying and turning in Jews..
Perfect candidates to lead for the most corrupted religion the planet has ever endured.

London Times | April 18, 2005

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THE wartime past of a leading German contender to succeed John Paul II may return to haunt him as cardinals begin voting in the Sistine Chapel tomorrow to choose a new leader for 1 billion Catholics.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, whose strong defence of Catholic orthodoxy has earned him a variety of sobriquets — including “the enforcer”, “the panzer cardinal” and “God’s rottweiler” — is expected to poll around 40 votes in the first ballot as conservatives rally behind him.
Although far short of the requisite two-thirds majority of the 115 votes, this would almost certainly give Ratzinger, 78 yesterday, an early lead in the voting. Liberals have yet to settle on a rival candidate who could come close to his tally.
Unknown to many members of the church, however, Ratzinger’s past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit.
Although there is no suggestion that he was involved in any atrocities, his service may be contrasted by opponents with the attitude of John Paul II, who took part in anti-Nazi theatre performances in his native Poland and in 1986 became the first pope to visit Rome’s synagogue.
“John Paul was hugely appreciated for what he did for and with the Jewish people,” said Lord Janner, head of the Holocaust Education Trust, who is due to attend ceremonies today to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.
“If they were to appoint someone who was on the other side in the war, he would start at a disadvantage, although it wouldn’t mean in the long run he wouldn’t be equally understanding of the concerns of the Jewish world.”
The son of a rural Bavarian police officer, Ratzinger was six when Hitler came to power in 1933. His father, also called Joseph, was an anti-Nazi whose attempts to rein in Hitler’s Brown Shirts forced the family to move home several times.
In 1937 Ratzinger’s father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the Führer’s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941.
He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. “Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer.
Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that protected a BMW factory making aircraft engines. The workforce included slaves from Dachau concentration camp.
Ratzinger has insisted he never took part in combat or fired a shot — adding that his gun was not even loaded — because of a badly infected finger. He was sent to Hungary, where he set up tank traps and saw Jews being herded to death camps. He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp.
He has since said that although he was opposed to the Nazi regime, any open resistance would have been futile — comments echoed this weekend by his elder brother Georg, a retired priest ordained along with the cardinal in 1951.
“Resistance was truly impossible,” Georg Ratzinger said. “Before we were conscripted, one of our teachers said we should fight and become heroic Nazis and another told us not to worry as only one soldier in a thousand was killed. But neither of us ever used a rifle against the enemy.”

Some locals in Traunstein, like Elizabeth Lohner, 84, whose brother-in-law was sent to Dachau as a conscientious objector, dismiss such suggestions. “It was possible to resist, and those people set an example for others,” she said. “The Ratzingers were young and had made a different choice.”
END

**corned dog** · 11-03-2010, 09:45 AM

Once again the link Catholics an child abuse Gerry Adams brother confessing 1 month ago !! No wonder the shout of No Surrender gets sang so loudly

**Nawty** · 11-03-2010, 09:58 AM

So the Popes gunna go to hell huh

**Another Farang** · 11-03-2010, 10:14 AM

Holy shit!

I never liked this pope, reminds me too much of the emperor in Star Wars, smelled something fishy from day one. John Paul II is a hard act to follow.

**BillyBobThai** · 11-03-2010, 10:37 AM

The one good thing about queers is that their genes are lost forever. Darwin's
theory at work.

**BobR** · 11-03-2010, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Another Farang

Holy shit!

I never liked this pope, reminds me too much of the emperor in Star Wars, smelled something fishy from day one. John Paul II is a hard act to follow.

I had some respect for John Paul II, but this clown is not fit to iron his robes. An absolute idiot.

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