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    Californians Use 1M Pounds Of Pot Per Year

    Californians Use 1M Pounds Of Pot Per Year
    March 9, 2010

    Staff Analysis Looks At Bill To Legalize, Tax Marijuana

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Californians use about 1 million pounds of marijuana a year or nearly a half-ounce for every person in the state, according to a staff analysis from the Board of Equalization.

    The legislative analysis considers a proposal by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D- San Francisco, to legalize pot and impose a $50 per ounce fee on retail marijuana sales in California, Sacramento television station KCRA reported.

    According to BOE estimates, if Ammiano's bill were enacted, it would bring about $1.4 billion into the state's coffers.

    Report: Californians Marijuana Use

    Among other finds, the report also estimated the street value of marijuana would decline 50 percent, consumption would increase 40 percent, and the $50 per ounce fee would reduce usage by 11 percent.

    Board of Equalization staffers estimated 22.3 million pounds of marijuana were grown in California in 2006, and the state exports about 8.6 million pounds annually.

    The BOE estimated the value of marijuana grown in California at $35.8 billion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Among other finds, the report also estimated the street value of marijuana would decline 50 percent, consumption would increase 40 percent, and the $50 per ounce fee would reduce usage by 11 percent.
    How does consumption increase by 40% while usage decreases by 11%?

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    Qualifying Remarks.

    This estimate is based on numerous assumptions, all of which come from law enforcement estimates and academic studies. The most significant ones are as follows:

    Legalization of marijuana would cause its street price to decline by 50 percent.

    This 50 percent decline in price would lead to additional consumption of 40 percent.

    The imposition of the $50/ounce tax would then lead to reduced consumption of 11 percent.

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    OK, I get it- so they're planning to introduce a bill which will (by estimates) cause a net increase of 29% in pot usage- ordinarily I would say it won't happen, but with California's desperate fiscal crisis, who knows?

    It's already a pretty simple matter to get a 'medical marijuana' card- legalization of the possession of small amounts would seem to be a logical next step.
    There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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    Yes, I say thatas exactly what Calif. needs at this point in time.
    They are already broke, to fucking many Trippers laying around stoned out of their goards and doing fuck all cept dealing and smoking dope, and y'all know how agressive and ambitious toking Tijuana tobacco makes you..

    Yes sir sure do need to stoke the heads in Calif. maybe issue USDA Food Stamps legal for buying that shit too.

    You fuckers are a real joke.

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    show me just one example of prohibition working ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Yes, I say thatas exactly what Calif. needs at this point in time.
    They are already broke, to fucking many Trippers laying around stoned out of their goards and doing fuck all cept dealing and smoking dope, and y'all know how agressive and ambitious toking Tijuana tobacco makes you..

    Yes sir sure do need to stoke the heads in Calif. maybe issue USDA Food Stamps legal for buying that shit too.

    You fuckers are a real joke.
    So, then (assuming you agree that the 'war on drugs' has done nothing to curb the behavior you describe above), wouldn't it be better for the government to tax and regulate the sale of a 'soft drug' like marijuana, rather than having 100% of the revenue go directly into the pockets of dealers?

    $1.4B is a lot of money- I pay taxes on what I earn, why shouldn't everybody else?

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    Board of Equalization staffers estimated 22.3 million pounds of marijuana were grown in California in 2006, and the state exports about 8.6 million pounds annually.

    Looks like they might be smoking more, than the quoted 1 million pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Yes, I say thatas exactly what Calif. needs at this point in time.
    They are already broke, to fucking many Trippers laying around stoned out of their goards and doing fuck all cept dealing and smoking dope, and y'all know how agressive and ambitious toking Tijuana tobacco makes you..

    Yes sir sure do need to stoke the heads in Calif. maybe issue USDA Food Stamps legal for buying that shit too.

    You fuckers are a real joke.

    More inarguable wisdom from the resident asswipe himself. Someday you'll die, old man, and the world will be a little closer to the next stage of evolution.

    Sincerely,
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    MJ usage reduces alcohol usage. One of the prime reasons it's illegal. God bless America and her system of corporate governance.

    All MJ users don't just chill and lie around. MJ doesn't make you aggressive, but it does make a significant amount of people both creative and energetic. A lot of people do their best work when stoned. I had a gf that you couldn't stop from working once she's stoned, always on a mission.

    BG sentiments are a reflection of 'them powers that be' 's brainwashing, even though he believes, as so many do, that they think for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Californians Use 1M Pounds Of Pot Per Year
    March 9, 2010

    Staff Analysis Looks At Bill To Legalize, Tax Marijuana

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Californians use about 1 million pounds of marijuana a year or nearly a half-ounce for every person in the state, according to a staff analysis from the Board of Equalization.

    The legislative analysis considers a proposal by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D- San Francisco, to legalize pot and impose a $50 per ounce fee on retail marijuana sales in California, Sacramento television station KCRA reported.

    According to BOE estimates, if Ammiano's bill were enacted, it would bring about $1.4 billion into the state's coffers.

    Report: Californians Marijuana Use

    Among other finds, the report also estimated the street value of marijuana would decline 50 percent, consumption would increase 40 percent, and the $50 per ounce fee would reduce usage by 11 percent.

    Board of Equalization staffers estimated 22.3 million pounds of marijuana were grown in California in 2006, and the state exports about 8.6 million pounds annually.

    The BOE estimated the value of marijuana grown in California at $35.8 billion.

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    Like, err, far out...

    Hey, like, err...I agree maaaaan. Was there something to agree with? I forget.

    Like cool shit bro.

    But like, err, don't bogart that joint my friend....

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Yes, I say thatas exactly what Calif. needs at this point in time.
    They are already broke, to fucking many Trippers laying around stoned out of their goards and doing fuck all cept dealing and smoking dope, and y'all know how agressive and ambitious toking Tijuana tobacco makes you..
    Cheech and Chong ought to start making movies again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree
    but it does make a significant amount of people both creative and energetic.
    In a Pigs ass, I have lived it..But I guess if you are talking about in their own minds,, then you are right,, just no muscular movements.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree
    A lot of people do their best work when stoned. I had a gf that you couldn't stop from working once she's stoned,
    Depend a lot on what her work was, but it sure the fuck don't make you energetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree
    BG sentiments are a reflection of 'them powers that be' 's brainwashing, even though he believes, as so many do, that they think for themselves.
    No dude, I have lived with it, bought it and smoked it,, never did like it as well as booze. but sometimes was a sub.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    show me just one example of prohibition working ?
    Where do you see where I said it did??

    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    wouldn't it be better for the government to tax and regulate the sale of a 'soft drug' like marijuana, rather than having 100% of the revenue go directly into the pockets of dealers?
    Seems to me that I was agreeing with this all along,, show me where I said it was not a cool idea.



    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    More inarguable wisdom from the resident asswipe himself. Someday you'll die, old man, and the world will be a little closer to the next stage of evolution. Sincerely, A Californian
    Yep, nother one of them niggers down on Railroad ave,, wheeling and dealing and doing his thing.
    Has went downhill since the coons and wetbacks took it over,,used to be a fair nice town.Now the trash live there and the better folks moved to antioc/Brentwood. or Concord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    According to BOE estimates, if Ammiano's bill were enacted, it would bring about $1.4 billion into the state's coffers.
    See, to all those out there that rant and rave about the 'Evils of DRUGS' we help the economy as well....that's a large chunk of change if you ask me and probably a lot more would be generated. Most people grow their own these days...it avoids nasty rip off dealers and you can grow 'organic' too if you like...for a better taste...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    Among other finds, the report also estimated the street value of marijuana would decline 50 percent, consumption would increase 40 percent, and the $50 per ounce fee would reduce usage by 11 percent.
    Wow, in my lifetime a positive news story regarding drugs....will wonders never cease...I'm gonna spark up right now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    Board of Equalization staffers estimated 22.3 million pounds of marijuana were grown in California in 2006, and the state exports about 8.6 million pounds annually. The BOE estimated the value of marijuana grown in California at $35.8 billion.
    Hey, you could even fund a war with that sort of cash...would that make you feel better BG????

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    They are already broke, to fucking many Trippers laying around stoned out of their goards and doing fuck all cept dealing and smoking dope, and y'all know how agressive and ambitious toking Tijuana tobacco makes you..
    Firstly, what tripper are you going on about..?? The government, the actors....who???? Can't be the old hippies, they're far too successful and rich to be doing feck all.....Just look at that waster from Apple...lazy good for nothing multi-millionaire...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    show me just one example of prohibition working ?
    Big fat ZERO on that one....

    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    More inarguable wisdom from the resident asswipe himself. Someday you'll die, old man, and the world will be a little closer to the next stage of evolution.
    Hey, don't be too mean...everyone's got their own opinion, that's what makes the world go round...
    However misguided that person is...Sorry BG but I don't agree with you either..
    There are no strangers here, just friends you haven't met yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart
    Cheech and Chong ought to start making movies again.
    Please no they were CRAP!!!!! Also helped to make people that toke...look bad or stupid... mildly humourous...then again I liked Reefer madness...That shit was funny...

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    In a Pigs ass, I have lived it..
    Really, you should be more of a mellow fellow...even if I feel some of you posts are there to get a reaction rather than actually your true feelings...I may be wrong on that???

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    But I guess if you are talking about in their own minds,, then you are right,, just no muscular movements.
    Dude, you must've been caning that shit.....BG is a pothead....I knew it...

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    it sure the fuck don't make you energetic.
    Don't know I used to snowboard on it and alsorts of other shit...including working etc etc...

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    I have lived with it, bought it and smoked it,, never did like it as well as booze. but sometimes was a sub.
    The opposite for me I like a good beer or a good wine....but a good joint for me beats that anyday....because then the food tastes that much better....Munchies...!!!! Not just any food will do either...as long as the supply's there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    The opposite for me I like a good beer or a good wine....but a good joint for me beats that anyday....because then the food tastes that much better....Munchies...!!!! Not just any food will do either...as long as the supply's there.
    Yea, I know what you are talking about,, don't really care how it gets there,, just so your head is up your ass is all that counts... yea man,, I dig ya.

    But you dopers and heads are just looking at the positives side,, they is a neg over the hill,, but you do not know about that do ya?

    I could care less what others do, as long as it does not effect me in any way.
    If people want it legal, then vote it legal and be done with it, Obama promised you change, now make him put up,
    I do not live in the USA and never will again so what you do there has no effect on my life here, and I do not associate with people that smoke dope or drink liquor, so do what ever you want.
    This is a US issue and should be settled by them and has nothing to do with any other country and is none of their business anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    But you dopers and heads are just looking at the positives side
    There's a negative one????
    In over 25yrs of consuming said product, I've yet to find one...maybe for you dude, but not for me...
    Made me a more aware and compassionate bloke....not that you can tell from some of my posts...

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    they is a neg over the hill,, but you do not know about that do ya?
    Oh yeah, like living in Thailand and not getting any for frickin ages, and then when you do get some it's shit...Considering having my own herb garden...small of course..Bonsai pot.

    The only reason I would go back to England, apart from the free health care by some one that isn't a complete quack!!!

    Go to the hospital for one thing, come out with a suitcase worth of pills....What a crock.

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    There's a negative one????
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    Research Report Series - Marijuana Abuse NIDA - Research Report Series - Marijuana Abuse





    How does marijuana use
    affect school, work,
    and social life?


    Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their nonsmoking peers.20,45,46,47
    Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely than their coworkers to have problems on the job. Several studies have associated workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover. A study among postal workers found that employees who tested positive for marijuana on a pre-employment urine drug test had 55 percent more industrial accidents, 85 percent more injuries, and a 75 percent increase in absenteeism compared with those who tested negative for marijuana use.48
    Depression18, anxiety18, and personality disturbances50 are all associated with marijuana use. Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana use has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. In one study of cognition, adults were matched on the basis of their performance in the 4th grade on the Iowa Test of Basic Skills. They were evaluated on a number of cognitive measures including the 12th-grade version of the Iowa Test. Those who were heavy marijuana smokers scored significantly lower on mathematical skills and verbal expression than nonsmokers.9
    Moreover, research has shown that marijuana's adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.9,51 For example, a study of 129 college students found that among heavy users of marijuana - those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the preceding 30 days - critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired, even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours.33 The heavy marijuana users in the study had more trouble sustaining and shifting their attention and in registering, organizing, and using information than did the study participants who had used marijuana no more than 3 of the previous 30 days. As a result, someone who smokes marijuana once daily may be functioning at a reduced intellectual level all of the time. More recently, the same researchers showed that a group of long-term heavy marijuana users' ability to recall words from a list was impaired 1 week following cessation of marijuana use, but returned to normal by 4 weeks.51 An implication of this finding is that even after long-term heavy marijuana use, if an individual quits marijuana use, some cognitive abilities may be recovered.
    Another study produced additional evidence that marijuana's effects on the brain can cause cumulative deterioration of critical life skills in the long run. Researchers gave students a battery of tests measuring problem-solving and emotional skills in 8th grade and again in 12th grade.52 The results showed that the students who were already drinking alcohol plus smoking marijuana in 8th grade started off slightly behind their peers, but that the distance separating these two groups grew significantly by their senior year in high school. The analysis linked marijuana use, independently of alcohol use, to reduced capacity for self-reinforcement, a group of psychological skills that enable individuals to maintain confidence and persevere in the pursuit of goals.
    Marijuana users themselves report poor outcomes on a variety of measures of life satisfaction and achievement. A recent study compared current and former long-term heavy users of marijuana with a control group who reported smoking cannabis at least once in their lives, but not more than 50 times. Despite similar education and incomes in their families of origin, significant differences were found on educational attainment and income between heavy users and the control group: fewer of the cannabis users completed college and more had household incomes of less than $30,000. When asked how marijuana affected their cognitive abilities, career achievements, social lives, and physical and mental health, the overwhelming majority of heavy cannabis users reported the drug's deleterious effect on all of these measures.53
    The Body's Natural THC-Like ChemicalsTHC owes many of its effects to its similarity to a family of chemicals called the endogenous cannabinoids, which are natural Cannabis-like chemicals. Because a THC molecule is shaped like these endogenous cannabinoids, it interacts with the same receptors on nerve cells, the cannabinoid receptors, that endogenous cannabinoids do, and it influences many of the same processes. Research has shown that the endogenous cannabinoids help control a wide array of mental and physical processes in the brain and throughout the body, including memory and perception, fine motor coordination, pain sensations,70 immunity to disease, and reproduction.71
    When someone smokes marijuana, THC overstimulates the cannabinoid receptors, leading to a disruption of the endogenous cannabinoids' normal function. This overstimulation produces the intoxication experienced by marijuana smokers. Over time, it may alter the function of cannabinoid receptors, which, along with other changes in the brain, can lead to withdrawal symptoms and addiction.60,72,73


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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    Research Report Series - Marijuana Abuse
    Bummer, man. That's a bummer..

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    The results showed that the students who were already drinking alcohol plus smoking marijuana in 8th grade started off slightly behind their peers, but that the distance separating these two groups grew significantly by their senior year in high school.

    The analysis linked marijuana use, independently of alcohol use, to reduced capacity for self-reinforcement, a group of psychological skills that enable individuals to maintain confidence and persevere in the pursuit of goals.


    words ..........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    Oh yeah, like living in Thailand and not getting any for frickin ages, and then when you do get some it's shit...Considering having my own herb garden...small of course..Bonsai pot. The only reason I would go back to England, apart from the free health care by some one that isn't a complete quack!!!
    Where do you live now asshole, In US or here?
    I do not understand from your post, but it makes no diff to me as I use no mind altering chemicals at all and have not for 30 years.

    Everyone thinks it will fix the debt with a lot of incoming taxes, which is bullshit, it will cost more to regulate and admin than it will bring in so you still be neg. gain.

    But there is more on the down side than you know about and you , being a pot head, think that you know everything as all of you, and I when I smoked it, thought I was a real clever fuckup.

    And like I said, makes me no never mind as I will not live there again.

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    ^^^^^^Give me a fuc*ing break where did you get this shit from...Right here goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills.

    Or, it's the fact that you realise that working your bollocks off for the rest of your miserable life to get to 65 (if your lucky) and die a few years later is a complete waste...the good of the country an all that shit...Many intellectuals smoke or consume cannabis...so that argument falls flat on it's face.

    In one study of cognition, adults were matched on the basis of their performance in the 4th grade on the Iowa Test of Basic Skills. They were evaluated on a number of cognitive measures including the 12th-grade version of the Iowa Test. Those who were heavy marijuana smokers scored significantly lower on mathematical skills and verbal expression than nonsmokers
    Key point here....Dude...IOWA????? WTF, FFS base you argument on something with some merit.. Americans aren't exactly the best people to base verbal skills on....eg- Color, favorite....need I go on.... Sure look purdy to me...

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    A study among postal workers found that employees who tested positive for marijuana on a pre-employment urine drug test had 55 percent more industrial accidents, 85 percent more injuries, and a 75 percent increase in absenteeism compared with those who tested negative for marijuana use
    There you go again...fuc*ing 'postal workers'
    (not exactly known for their mental skills, how hard is it to put a letter in a box????)...
    Where do you get this shit...boy, oh boy this has got to be THE worst apparent study ever conducted...Do you actually believe this shit....

    Next you'll be saying that Reefer Madness is an accurate portrayal of marijuana use!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely than their coworkers to have problems on the job. Several studies have associated workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.
    Probably just trying to get away from their boring ass job to go home a smoke a fatty....Don't blame them...I rather be stoned sometimes than be teaching...hang on I'd always rather be stoned and doing stuff with my family than teaching....life's hard, get stoned and enjoy at least some of it...

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    For example, a study of 129 college students found that among heavy users of marijuana - those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the preceding 30 days - critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired, even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours. The heavy marijuana users in the study had more trouble sustaining and shifting their attention and in registering, organizing, and using information than did the study participants who had used marijuana no more than 3 of the previous 30 days. As a result, someone who smokes marijuana once daily may be functioning at a reduced intellectual level all of the time.

    So, when I was smoking 10+ heavy joints a day and working in a tough job and then doing a web design course when I was young my brain was totally asleep....please...this is totally laughable. Maybe they were just stupid kids....

    I read more when stoned and don't vege' out in front of the tv like I do after a beer or two...I play with my kid and dog more....

    More recently, the same researchers showed that a group of long-term heavy marijuana users' ability to recall words from a list was impaired 1 week following cessation of marijuana use, but returned to normal by 4 weeks.51 An implication of this finding is that even after long-term heavy marijuana use, if an individual quits marijuana use, some cognitive abilities may be recovered.
    So your trying to tell me that people that smoke or consume vast quantities of weed...are walking zombies....what about Arthur Ashe...the famous tennis player who was still playing in his 70's...and winning??? Massive pot head..

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    The Body's Natural THC-Like ChemicalsTHC owes many of its effects to its similarity to a family of chemicals called the endogenous cannabinoids, which are natural Cannabis-like chemicals. Because a THC molecule is shaped like these endogenous cannabinoids, it interacts with the same receptors on nerve cells, the cannabinoid receptors, that endogenous cannabinoids do, and it influences many of the same processes. Research has shown that the endogenous cannabinoids help control a wide array of mental and physical processes in the brain and throughout the body, including memory and perception, fine motor coordination, pain sensations,70 immunity to disease, and reproduction.71 When someone smokes marijuana, THC overstimulates the cannabinoid receptors, leading to a disruption of the endogenous cannabinoids' normal function. This overstimulation produces the intoxication experienced by marijuana smokers. Over time, it may alter the function of cannabinoid receptors, which, along with other changes in the brain, can lead to withdrawal symptoms and addiction.
    The bodies natural THC....

    Doesn't that bother you that we actually have a natural form of THC in our heads / body that produces THC like substance???


    We have a THC receptor in our heads to deal specifically with THC...and produce it's own... So either you and your fantastic team of 'experts' are saying that evolution has messed up or if your religious..'GOD' made a mistake????? Which one is it...


    I won't even start on the health benefits of eating marijuana...cancer, AIDS, etc etc etc.....MS, forgot about that one..glaucoma Oh and it's the best stress reliever and muscle relaxant and strongest natural fibre known to man...

    NEXT.....
    Last edited by Mr R Sole; 10-03-2010 at 01:35 PM.

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