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    French citizenship denied to man with veiled wife

    French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said the Moroccan man, who had married a French woman, failed to respect the “values of the [French] republic” by forcing his wife to wear a burqa.



    President Nicolas Sarkozy's administration today took another shot at the burqa, scoring populist points ahead of France’s March elections, say analysts.

    France’s immigration minister said he is refusing citizenship to a Muslim man who called his wife “an inferior being,” and forced her to wear a full veil in public, an announcement that plays well with French public support for a burqa ban.

    “He has no place in our country,” Prime Minister Francois Fillon told Europe 1 radio, in a decision that comes a week after a French parliamentary commission recommended a partial ban on any veils that cover the face. The ban still needs to be voted on, but it would apply in hospitals and on public transport. France already has bans for wearing headscarves in state schools.

    Fillon said the Moroccan man, who had married a French woman, failed to respect the “values of the [French] republic.”

    “This case is about a religious radical: he imposes the burqa, he imposes the separation of men and women in his own home, and he refuses to shake the hands of women,” Fillon said.

    The recent acts reflect Sarkozy’s efforts to capitalize on anti-burqa sentiment ahead of March’s regional election, Arthur Goldhammer, chair the seminar for visiting scholars at Harvard University’s Center for European Studies, said in an interview Wednesday.

    “Sarokozy is certainly agitating this issue with the upcoming regional election in mind,” says Goldhammer, who also maintains the blog French Politics and is on the editorial board of the journal French Politics, Culture, and Society. “He has lost support in the polls from people who formerly voted for him and pledged their allegiance to him because of fairly strong statements he made on illegal immigration.”

    In a June 2009 address to both houses of parliament at Versailles, Sarkozy called the burqa “a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement.”

    In France, the argument against the burqa is presented not as an attack on Islam but a defense of women, Goldhammer says. Politicians label it a ‘walking prison for women.’

    A complete ban could possibly be overturned by the European Court as a infringement on human rights. But with current support from 57 percent of French people for a ban on the burqa, Goldhammer says Sarkozy “looses nothing by [the recent actions] and he potentially gains the votes of people who have been drifting away.”

    Some political observers say Sarkozy’s efforts are misplaced.

    Writing for Forbes, columnist Emre Deliveli says the burqa ban will backfire.

    “According to Interior Ministry figures and expert testimonies to the parliamentary commission, 1,900, or fewer than one in a thousand, Muslim women in France wear a burqa," Deliveli writes.

    “As for curbing radical Islam, there is the risk that the law will lead to more proselytizing, not less, by stigmatizing Muslims. The converts among the burqa-wearers have already been boldly telling the French media how disappointed they are with the ban, and how they intend not to obey it.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    1,900, or fewer than one in a thousand, Muslim women in France wear a burqa," Deliveli writes.
    Ah but the political mileage

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    ban it.
    can someone make a TD poll to see how everyone feels on this issue?

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    With increased number of burqa wearing women concealing leathal weapons or explosives seems reasonable to support a world ban of the burqa.

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    I say ban it...I want to see how attractive these ladies really are...or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    With increased number of burqa wearing women concealing leathal weapons or explosives seems reasonable to support a world ban of the burqa.
    Can you get some numbers on that please, thanks.

    I will also go on to say that about 10 million times more deadly crimes have been committed by people carrying guns or other deadly weapons under their jackets, t-shirts, in their jeans etc etc.

    Ban all clothes Mr. Earl... It's the only way.

    Fok me there are some dumb fuks about eh.

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    another classic thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    I say ban it...I want to see how attractive these ladies really are...or not...
    Book a flight with a stopover in Saudi Arabia. You can see some black columns entering the plane. They then disappear into the toilet and some gorgeous women come out. Some not so gorgeous as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    I say ban it...I want to see how attractive these ladies really are...or not...
    Book a flight with a stopover in Saudi Arabia. You can see some black columns entering the plane. They then disappear into the toilet and some gorgeous women come out. Some not so gorgeous as well.
    Why don't they wear it on the 'plane?
    Are you saying as soon as they get the chance they ditch it? that they'd rather not wear it if given the choice?
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    Got it it one ..... and this is not a recent phenomenom, it was happening back in the early 80's too.

    Not all the women on a flight, but the vast majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole View Post


    I say ban it...I want to see how attractive these ladies really are...or not...
    I'm sure some of them are attractive, but many of them are very inbread, especially those in western nations, the restrictive nature of courtship and marriage has left little variation in the gene pool, a very similar look, quite masculine and facial hair is common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug
    Are you saying as soon as they get the chance they ditch it? that they'd rather not wear it if given the choice?
    Yes of course. With a bit of luck you can see them inside the country as well. At a brunch in some international Hotel. Those are a bit like exterritorial. At least that was my experience in the mid 80s.

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    gotta keep the cooties under control

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    This is why I believe the ban would be a good thing. The men then cannot force the women to wear it. So there is a balance between women who can not be forced any more and some women who genuinely prefer to wear it. But I don't necessarily believe a woman if she says she wants it because it is not unlikely she says that because it is demanded of her.

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