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    Muslim police say Islam not to blame for terror attacks

    U.K. Muslim police officers have rebelled openly against the Government’s anti-terrorism strategy, warning that it is an “affront to British values” which threatens to trigger ethnic unrest.

    By By Robert Winnett, Deputy Political Editor
    Published: 10:32PM GMT 20 Jan 2010
    The National Association of Muslim Police (NAMP) claimed that ministers were wrong to blame Islam for being the “driver” behind recent terrorist attacks.
    Far-Right extremists were a more dangerous threat to national security, it said.
    The officers told MPs that Muslims were being “stigmatised” by the Government’s attempts to tackle terrorism, which was adding to “hatred” against entire communities.
    In the official intervention, the association said the Government’s anti-terrorism policies could not “continue unchecked”.
    The comments, made in a seven-page memorandum to a parliamentary committee investigating extremism, are embarrassing for Gordon Brown. They indicated that Muslim officers may be reluctant to take part in “hearts and minds” anti-terrorism campaigns.
    The organisation, which represents more than 2,000 officers, was previously publicly backed by Mr Brown. The Prime Minister said the association was crucial to bridge the historic divide between Muslims and the police.
    There have been growing concerns about the radicalisation of Muslims in Britain. The failed Detroit bombing on Christmas Day was carried out by an al-Qaeda-inspired extremist who had studied in London.
    The Daily Telegraph disclosed last week that American intelligence agencies believed that Britain had the greatest number of Islamic extremists of any Western country.
    It is thought to be the first time that the Muslim association, which was founded in 2007, has criticised government policy.
    In an analysis of the Prevent strategy, which is a set of policies designed to stop radicalisation, the organisation claimed: “The strategies of Prevent were historically focused on so-called Islamist extremism.
    “This has subjected the biggest black and ethnic minority community, and second biggest faith group, in an unprecedented manner, stigmatising them in the process.
    “Never before has a community been mapped in [such] a manner . . . it is frustrating to see this in a country that is a real pillar and example of freedom of expression and choice.
    “Our British system is a model for the world to follow, yet we have embarked on a journey that has put this very core of British values under real threat.”
    The association warned there were “echoes” of the racism of the 1970s and 1980s which led to inner city riots. “We appear to have ignored the lessons learnt from these dark days,” the officers said.
    There is growing criticism among Muslim groups of the government strategy, which was welcomed by mainstream police organisations.
    The policies are aimed at stopping Muslims from becoming radicalised through measures such as sponsoring moderate community groups.
    Ministers insisted that the strategy, which costs more than £140 million a year, had “real successes”. More than 200 people were convicted of terrorist offences in the past eight years.
    But the NAMP claimed the policies had led to “hatred against Muslims” which “has grown to a level that defies all logic and is an affront to British values”.
    The organisation said Prevent should focus on confronting far-Right extremists such as the BNP.
    The memorandum warned that Muslims were subjected to “daily abuse” due to the strategy. “We must not diminish our British values further by continuing to allow such behaviour and polices to continue unchecked,” it added.
    The Muslim officers believe the Government is wrong to blame Islam as the main driver of terrorist activity.
    Research by “those convicted of terrorism acts shows Islam was not, and is not, a real driver but all our strategy seem to focus on is this un-evidenced view of Islam being the driver,” they said. The Government said that confronting Islamic terrorism was one of the key priorities of the anti-radicalisation strategy. Last night, the Foreign Office admitted that funding for counter-terrorism policies in Pakistan had been cut.
    A spokesman from the Department of Communities and Local Government said: “The idea that we only focus on Muslims on terror issues is completely false.
    “Muslims, like other faith groups, engage with government departments right across Whitehall, from health to education to work and pensions, to culture, media and sport. They rightly play a full role in our society, and across public and civic life.”Muslim police say Islam not to blame for terror attacks - Telegraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    American intelligence agencies believed that Britain had the greatest number of Islamic extremists of any Western country.
    Disgraceful stereotyping which will only radicalize the vast majority of law abiding Muslims. Everyone knows all of the 'Islamic' terror attacks and many more planned ones in the UK over recent years were really Jews or Christians attemptimg to whip up discontent against innocent islam which actually has been promoting social cohesion, inter faith understanding and integration, ha ha ha

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    What a surprise, Muslims say Muslims not at fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    “affront to British values”
    What the hell, do 'this lot' know about 'British values' seriously come on. I'm not bashing muslims here. I have lived and worked in muslim areas of Britain and have found very few to none hold any love for the country that they reside in and I have many muslim mates back home.
    (muslim my arse, only when it suits, or they have to be seen to be muslim. Parnetal pressure etc)

    Most of the communities I worked in, the majority of the women couldn't speak English which annoyed me when I found out that their kids could as they had been born here and went to school here.
    Their mothers and fathers (mostly mothers) couldn't speak a word after many years living here. So absolutely no integration what so ever with the British people.
    (This maybe due to the fact that the poor woman is a 2nd class citizen in her own family!!!)

    So the majority of people I meet had no idea that we believed that she has the same rights as any other human being on the planet and should be educated and get to know the country that her family has decided to live in. Thus causing more fear and hatred on both sides of the divide.

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    Far-Right extremists were a more dangerous threat to national security,
    Maybe, maybe not..BNP/NF/Combat 18, wouldn't exist if our country and the people in it, actually got to know each other instead of fearing and avoiding each other...that's how we make friends and break down barriers....

    Don't remember many bombings by the far-right extremist groups in my years in blighty...anyone????????? Stupid marches and wankers coming round trying to sneekily get you to think like a racist moron..

    Gotta love this quote.."I fuc*in hate paki's, so you coming for a curry after the pub tonight or what???" RETARDS..

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    The officers told MPs that Muslims were being “stigmatised” by the Government’s attempts to tackle terrorism, which was adding to “hatred” against entire communities.
    No, sorry don't agree. I feel that some of my points above on integration answer this question. Along with the insane rhetoric coming from a minority of the muslim community, so called mullahs that preach hatred and shariah law in Britain...where are you British values there!!! Shariah law....piss off. Honour killings...British values...come off it...

    Many Muslims are totally peace loving...but I'm sorry that ain't what the press has picked up on....Start having marches to rid Islam of it's own tarnished reputation as an insane bunch of extremists...that'd get people onside straight away.
    Start talking about proper community spirit rather that complete crap and damning British and non-muslims to hell as infidels!!!!

    I don't see many christians or jewish people marching on the streets of london demanding the heads of all muslims that don't convert....DO YOU?

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    They indicated that Muslim officers may be reluctant to take part in “hearts and minds” anti-terrorism campaigns.
    So face the sack then....get on the dole..actually.....feck we're trapped!!!!! Oh well let's all get our mat's out then..

    Welcome to England...enjoy the scran our kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    It is thought to be the first time that the Muslim association, which was founded in 2007, has criticised government policy.
    Only 2yrs old..give em' time..they only just started out and don't wanna seem to extreme YET!

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    “This has subjected the biggest black and ethnic minority community, and second biggest faith group, in an unprecedented manner, stigmatising them in the process. “Never before has a community been mapped in [such] a manner . . . it is frustrating to see this in a country that is a real pillar and example of freedom of expression and choice.
    Well, you can express your hatred for the 'British' way of life and condemn our action around the globe and at home. However Allah/God forbid anyone says anything against you or your beliefs...then we are branded racists, facists or islamaphobes!!!!!!! Equality my arse...Blighty's foooooked

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    “Our British system is a model for the world to follow, yet we have embarked on a journey that has put this very core of British values under real threat.”
    Our British system...then what to you think about the rallies that were wanted to be held against the Dead British troops (agree or not with the Irag/Afganistan wars..I don't) coming home....!!!! They are British aren't they, they had values didn't they...get a life...join up for Britain..

    Hey that's an idea , anyone that wants to come to live in Britain MUST sign up for a minimum of 2yrs serving in her majesty's armed forces...immigration would drop over night... That's a splendid idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    The association warned there were “echoes” of the racism of the 1970s and 1980s which led to inner city riots. “We appear to have ignored the lessons learnt from these dark days,” the officers said.
    Racism yes...religious persecution no...Sorry. British people generally got past that racist crap and moved on to integrate and enjoy the diversity of other people..
    This is far different...extremists are demanding that Britain becomes a muslim state!!!!!! How is that anywhere near similar????? It ain't.

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    The policies are aimed at stopping Muslims from becoming radicalised through measures such as sponsoring moderate community groups.
    Sounds like a good idea...

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    Ministers insisted that the strategy, which costs more than £140 million a year, had “real successes”. More than 200 people were convicted of terrorist offences in the past eight years.
    Ah, 140mil!!!!! that ain't a good idea. How about spending some of that cash on community programs and family days inviting all aspects of our communities to have a food and music day to celebrate cutural diversity???? Better or not???? you decide...

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    But the NAMP claimed the policies had led to “hatred against Muslims” which “has grown to a level that defies all logic and is an affront to British values”.
    Well sort out your own house before throwing stones at others...might be a start.

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    The organisation said Prevent should focus on confronting far-Right extremists such as the BNP.
    BNP etc are muppets, and have only grown stronger due to what the 'average UK citizen' has seen occur in the last 10+yrs in the UK...this includes all ethnic groups threatend by islamic fundamentalism..sikhs, jews, etc etc etc...many are worried..of course those groups can't join the BNP cos they ain't he right colour either!!!!! Many are concerned including many muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    The Muslim officers believe the Government is wrong to blame Islam as the main driver of terrorist activity. Research by “those convicted of terrorism acts shows Islam was not, and is not, a real driver but all our strategy seem to focus on is this un-evidenced view of Islam being the driver,”
    Prove otherwise then..perception is everything. sorry but it's true...

    A sorry state of affairs for the world...2010..sorry Buddhists...and we are still fighting each other like spolied brats a school....
    WHEN WILL WE GROW THE FU*K UP. there are far more important issues to be faced...like world hunger, medicine and water shortages!!!!!

    religion is retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    http://www.sussiebell.com/images/Food/Ploughmanslunchwithbeergall.jpg
    ^Welcome to England

    Without offense I think you should read this thread: http://teakdoor.com/how-to-use-stuff...with-pics.html (KM's Pic Posting Tutorial - with pics!)

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    Maybe Mr R Sole is demonstrating how far to the right you can get

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallalai
    Without offense I think you should read this thread: http://teakdoor.com/how-to-use-stuff...with-pics.html (KM's Pic Posting Tutorial - with pics!)
    Rectified for you in glossy colour. Using mozilla's thai version!!!!
    I was lost in translation!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    Maybe Mr R Sole is demonstrating how far to the right you can get
    Hey Crippen did you read my post???? What did you miss..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    Gotta love this quote.."I fuc*in hate paki's, so you coming for a curry after the pub tonight or what???" RETARDS..
    Not liking racist people and hypocrites of the first order...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    Ah, 140mil!!!!! that ain't a good idea. How about spending some of that cash on community programs and family days inviting all aspects of our communities to have a food and music day to celebrate cutural diversity???? Better or not???? you decide...
    Getting communites together to get to know each other and celebrate each other's differences...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    BNP etc are muppets, and have only grown stronger due to what the 'average UK citizen' has seen occur in the last 10+yrs in the UK...this includes all ethnic groups threatend by islamic fundamentalism..sikhs, jews, etc etc etc...many are worried..of course those groups can't join the BNP cos they ain't he right colour either!!!!! Many are concerned including many muslims.
    BNP etc are muppets!!!...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    A sorry state of affairs for the world...2010..sorry Buddhists...and we are still fightingeach other like spolied brats a school.... WHEN WILL WE GROW THE FU*K UP. there are far more important issues to be faced...like world hunger, medicine and water shortages!!!!!
    Advocating peace on the planet and helping everyman woman and child to have a happy and disease free life as best as we can imagine....

    I'm lost mate...how are my views verging on the right??????

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    Hey Crippen did you read my post???? What did you miss


    On my 'puter, your original post was about 3 foot wide!!! Now corrected thanks.

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    Islam's the modell T Ford of religion, they get on with everyone so long as you're Muslim.

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    Your local bobby, ready to serve and protect.
    Just don't giggle otherwise he will get upset and go.
    In all seriousness this muslim thing is out of hand, they are represented in all levels of government, and institutions, to all intents and purpose they seem to want to change the british way of life to suit them, without embracing what we have, [ had ]

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    Sorry, can anyone think of a right wing extremist terror attack in England?
    Can think of some Mussy ones though.

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    The last right wing attack on the British Isles was the Blitz.

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    Oh yes, Semptember 5th 1940.

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    They bombed our chippy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt View Post
    They bombed our chippy.
    Hitler hated carpenters, well known fact. He'd planned to wipe them all out once he'd finished with the Jews and the gyppos.

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    It's quite serious, Police Officers must be seen to follow the line laid down from the top, they are public servants (said very bluntly, they are paid not to have any public personal opinions as Police officers) and no one should ever be able raise doubts about their loyalty to the Country in which they serve or the present law, likewise should their colleges never have cause for the same concerns while at work.

    To be quite frank, in my view the ones behind this initiative should be fired on the spot, and any members of their organisation that openly or otherwise have shown support, should be transferred to admin. posts with no contact to the public, until their future status can be determined.

    At the same time the Politicians should consider to outlaw religious and political employee organisations within the force (not including their civil servant union/organisation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post

    At the same time the Politicians should consider to outlaw religious and political employee organisations within the force (not including their civil servant union)

    Including the Black police assoc?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post

    At the same time the Politicians should consider to outlaw religious and political employee organisations within the force (not including their civil servant union)

    Including the Black police assoc?????
    If they have one absolutely, it would be a political group by it's very nature, Police Officers must be one homogeneous group, and not a number of different special interest groups with possibly colliding agendas that spill over in the way they preform their duties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt View Post
    They bombed our chippy.
    Bladdy Fockkers

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    If they have one absolutely
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    They might as well say that shoplifters and burglars have nothing to do with crime. Over 200 convicted of terrorist comvictions but no mention of what percent were mulims, don't want to go demonising any groups I expect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen View Post
    If they have one absolutely
    www.nbpa.co.uk
    The Armed forces and the Police are the power "arms" of the peoples Government in a democracy, and in a democracy bears a special responsibility to be unwavering loyal to the elected Government first and formost.
    (there could be very very special circumstances where that not counts, if the Government betrays the people under an invasion for instance)
    Imagine that the Northern English Police are loyal to the opposition in Parliament, the central Police-force are loyal to the ethnic members of Parliament, what do we have then-

    England-Thailand= same chaos, a banana republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt View Post
    They bombed our chippy.
    Hitler hated carpenters, well known fact. He'd planned to wipe them all out once he'd finished with the Jews and the gyppos.
    Brickies don't like plasterers, plasterers don't like plumbers and painters don't like chippys.

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    It's abit like having The Sheite association and The Sunni association in the Iraqi army.
    Police officers can not hold views outwardly. And to be honest a true policeman who is 100% dedicated should not have views inwardly either.
    Firstly he is a copper. Secondly he is a copper. He serves the will of the elected government. End of story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    On my 'puter, your original post was about 3 foot wide!!! Now corrected thanks.
    Have no idea why but thanks for that. Crippen

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