Thread: Could we be in for 30 years of global COOLING?

I don't know about the UK problem (only what I have heard in the news) but other places on our planet are experiencing record heat waves including in Victoria, Australia last week.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

other places on our planet are experiencing record heat waves including in Victoria, Australia last week.

That will baffle the experts because heat rises

I wonder how long this thread will go on for before somebody actually thinks of looking to see what the two scientist mentioned in the Mail article really said.

Oh, what the heck, I might as well. "Mail caught in making shit up scandal again", "Gullible idiots swallow lies wholesale, again"

Leading climate scientist challenges Mail on Sunday's use of his research | Environment | guardian.co.uk
Leading climate scientist challenges Mail on Sunday's use of his research

Mojib Latif denies his research supports theory that current cold weather undermines scientific consensus on global warming

guardian.co.uk, Monday 11 January 2010 16.47 GMT




A leading scientist has hit out at misleading newspaper reports that linked his research to claims that the current cold weather undermines the scientific case for manmade global warming.

Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel University in Germany, said he "cannot understand" reports that used his research to question the scientific consensus on climate change.

He told the Guardian: "It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib Latif it would be global warming."

He added: "There is no doubt within the scientific community that we are affecting the climate, that the climate is changing and responding to our emissions of greenhouse gases."

A report in the Mail on Sunday said that Latif's results "challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy's most deeply cherished beliefs" and "undermine the standard climate computer models". Monday's Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph repeated the claims.

The reports attempted to link the Arctic weather that has enveloped the UK with research published by Latif's team in the journal Nature in 2008. The research said that natural fluctuations in ocean temperature could have a bigger impact on global temperature than expected. In particular, the study concluded that cooling in the oceans could offset global warming, with the average temperature over the decades 2000-2010 and 2005-2015 predicted to be no higher than the average for 1994-2004. Despite clarifications from the scientists at the time, who stressed that the research did not challenge the predicted long-term warming trend, the study was widely misreported as signalling a switch from global warming to global cooling.

The Mail on Sunday article said that Latif's research showed that the current cold weather heralds such "a global trend towards cooler weather".

It said: "The BBC assured viewers that the big chill was was merely short-term 'weather' that had nothing to do with 'climate', which was still warming. The work of Prof Latif and the other scientists refutes that view."

Not according to Latif. "They are not related at all," he said. "What we are experiencing now is a weather phenomenon, while we talked about the mean temperature over the next 10 years. You can't compare the two."

He said the ocean temperature effect was similar to other natural influences on global temperature, such as volcanos, which cool the planet temporarily as ash spewed into the atmosphere reflects sunlight.

"The natural variation occurs side by side with the manmade warming. Sometimes it has a cooling effect and can offset this warming and other times it can accelerate it." Other scientists have questioned the strength of the ocean effect on overall temperature and disagree that global warming will show the predicted pause.

Latif said his research suggested that up to half the warming seen over the 20th century was down to this natural ocean effect, but said that was consistent with the 2007 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. "No climate specialist would ever say that 100% of the warming we have seen is down to greenhouse gas emissions."

The recent articles are not the first to misrepresent his research, Latif said. "There are numerous newspapers, radio stations and television channels all trying to get our attention. Some overstate and some want to downplay the problem as a way to get that attention," he said. "We are trying to discuss in the media a highly complex issue. Nobody would discuss the problem of [Einstein's theory of] relativity in the media. But because we all experience the weather, we all believe that we can assess the global warming problem."

Leading climate scientist challenges Mail on Sunday's use of his research | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Why don't all the scientific mob admit they haven't got a clue really!
Stephen Hawkins has the right idea. Predict something to happen in 1 billion years or so.Then you don't get proved a liar in your own lifetime.

Gotta love the Daily Mail...one of the worst newspapers.

what did it say in The Sport

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

eminent scientists claimed yesterday.

Scientists have claimed

respected climate scientists

not a name to be seen

Forecasts of climate change are about to go seriously out of kilter. One of the world's top climate modellers said Thursday we could be about to enter one or even two decades during which temperatures cool.
"People will say this is global warming disappearing," he told more than 1500 of the world's top climate scientists gathering in Geneva at the UN's World Climate Conference.
"I am not one of the sceptics," insisted Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University, Germany. "However, we have to ask the nasty questions ourselves or other people will do it."
Few climate scientists go as far as Latif, an author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. But more and more agree that the short-term prognosis for climate change is much less certain than once thought.
Nature vs humans

This is bad timing. The UN's World Meteorological Organization called the conference in order to draft a global plan for providing "climate services" to the world: that is, to deliver climate predictions useful to everyone from farmers worried about the next rainy season to doctors trying to predict malaria epidemics and builders of dams, roads and other infrastructure who need to assess the risk of floods and droughts 30 years hence.
But some of the climate scientists gathered in Geneva to discuss how this might be done admitted that, on such timescales, natural variability is at least as important as the long-term climate changes from global warming. "In many ways we know more about what will happen in the 2050s than next year," said Vicky Pope from the UK Met Office.



World's climate could cool first, warm later - environment - 04 September 2009 - New Scientist

If the globe is cooling, i think the people should be more worried about that than warming.

Either way, whatever is the cause of the weather change, it surprising how many people are willing to bow down to the elite and pay their taxes on pure assumptions and theories.

Don't tell me, it's in preparation for the worst case scenario!

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

what did it say in The Sport

"Global Warming is caused by big breasts"

Originally Posted by crippen

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

what did it say in The Sport

"Global Warming is caused by big breasts"

Makes sense to me.

Originally Posted by kmart

Originally Posted by crippen

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

what did it say in The Sport

"Global Warming is caused by big breasts"

Makes sense to me.

Then why a hot winter in BKK? Big breasts TEE-NAI (aside from silicone sue massage/go-go)

State of the news media - disgusting.

Caught between sensationalism and the propaganda directives from their corporate masters, they turn out shit on an unprecedented scale.

Give up newspapers.
And the internet .
Think i'll buy meself an orange skirt and experience the weather first hand, Apart from those horrible nasty natural disasters. Then it's probably safer to just run away.

One of the better accepted theories re global warming is (ironically) that Brittan will experience many years of freezing weather as global warming takes hold.
The reasoning being that it will disrupt the "Gulf Stream conveyor belt" which keeps Brittan unusually warm despite its latitude. The Gulf Stream is a body of warm water that flows up from the Gulf of Mexico past Britain and ends up near Greenland where the melting icewater pushes it down into the ocean depths and it subsequently flows back down south by the force of some mysterious ocean currents. So, warm water going north to keep Brittan warm and then going south again when it reaches the Arctic. Its a well known and well documented phenomenon. Garbage and debris from Mexico and Florida often ends up in Cornwall and Wales.

The theory goes that if the Greenland ice sheet melts fast enough it will disrupt the Gulf Stream conveyor belt current and result in quite dramatic drops in temperature for Brittan. Ironically, global warming could result in UK being virtually frozen over. Lots of info on the net about it.

Michael Winship: Global Cooling? Tell It to the Jellyfish | BuzzFlash.org

....as was pointed out by Steve Benen on Washington Monthly magazine's "Political Animal" blog: "First, the National Snow and Ice Data Center said no such thing.

The director of the NSIDC said, 'This is completely false. NSIDC has never made such a statement and we were never contacted by anyone from the Daily Mail.'" (Subsequently, both Fox and the Mail removed the reference to the NSIDC in their articles.)

Second, as proof of global cooling, both stories cited research conducted by Mojib Latif, a prominent climate modeler with the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Latif's response to their reporting? "I don't know what to do," he said. "They just make these things up."

Latif's work on climatology is complex and often difficult to understand, which is why the Fox and Daily Mail reporters may have his story mixed up -- it wouldn't be the first time journalists have been confused by his findings. But as cogently interpreted by the physicist and climate expert Dr. Joseph Romm of the liberal Center for American Progress, "Latif has NOT predicted a cooling trend -- or a 'decades-long deep freeze' -- but rather a short-time span where human-caused warming might be partly offset by ocean cycles, staying at current record levels, but then followed by 'accelerated' warming where you catch up to the long-term human-caused trend. He does NOT forecast 2 or 3 decades of cooling."

In fact, as Latif told the British newspaper the Guardian, "I believe in man-made global warming... There is no doubt within the scientific community that we are affecting the climate, that the climate is changing and responding to our emissions of greenhouse gases."

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

The world has entered a 'cold mode' which is likely to bring a global dip in temperatures which will last for 20 to 30 years, they say. Summers and winters will all be cooler than in recent years, and the changes will mean that global warming will be 'paused' or even reversed, it was claimed.

Is that there way of saying get ready for the ice age???? Brrrrrr nippy ain't it..

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Too many of those less intellectually endowed are incapable of understanding when the gulf stream is disrupted, many areas will experience vast changes in weather. CHANGES is the operative word here and stems from warming of the poles resulting in massive ice melting at an unprecedented rate.

I suggest most of these warming naysayers are ignorant of the difference between climate and weather and furthermore have no clue as to how climate works.

Coming from a hit-n-run unsubstantiating spammer such as yourself, that statement means nothing.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Too many of those less intellectually endowed are incapable of understanding when the gulf stream is disrupted, many areas will experience vast changes in weather. CHANGES is the operative word here and stems from warming of the poles resulting in massive ice melting at an unprecedented rate.

I suggest most of these warming naysayers are ignorant of the difference between climate and weather and furthermore have no clue as to how climate works.

Coming from a hit-n-run unsubstantiating spammer such as yourself, that statement means nothing.

You might want to see post # 20 , both Fox and DMail have retracted the statements falsely attributed to the NSIDC
Here's refresher ;


The director of the NSIDC said, 'This is completely false. NSIDC has never made such a statement and we were never contacted by anyone from the Daily Mail.'" (Subsequently, both Fox and the Mail removed the reference to the NSIDC in their articles.)

OK here's a link supporting the fact that ICE IS MELTING from the very same folks that Fox and Daily Mail are lying about (or were..)

. Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis: Questions about Arctic sea ice

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Is Arctic sea ice really declining?

Yes, the data show that Arctic sea ice really is in a state of ongoing decline. The reason we know this is because satellites offer us a long-term record. As of September 2007, the September rate of sea ice decline since 1979 was approximately -10 percent per decade, or 72,000 square kilometers (28,000 square miles) per year. Although the 2009 sea ice minimum was larger than the past two years, the rate of decline since 1979 increased to -11.2 percent per decade. September is the month that Arctic sea ice melts back to its lowest point, known as the annual minimum, and is an important indicator of overall ice conditions. However, sea ice in the Arctic is in decline in all months and the decline is greater and the rate faster than natural causes could account for. For more on the basics of sea ice, read Quick Facts on Arctic Sea Ice.
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Doesn't sound like cooling to me...