Hardline Islamist Groups To Be Banned

**English Noodles** · 13-01-2010, 12:58 AM

The radical islamist group that sparked outrage with its proposed march through the Wiltshire town of Wootton Bassett is to be outlawed.

Home Secretary Alan Johnson will use anti-terror powers to ban the organisation Al Muhajiroun and its latest offshoot Islam4UK.

The decision means it will be a criminal offence from Thursday to become a member of these groups, or to attend or address any meetings in their name.

Anyone found guilty of such an offence could face a maximum of 10 years in prison.

The banning of Al Muhajiroun and Islam4UK will also allow the authorities to take down websites run by the groups and makes it an offence to raise funds on their behalf.

Al Muhajiroun was founded by the controversial cleric Omar Bakri Mohammod.
However, he disbanded the group in 2004 - fearing the Government was about to outlaw it - and went into voluntary exile in Lebanon.

The group re-formed last summer, headed by its UK leader Anjem Choudary.

"Proscription is a tough but necessary power to tackle terrorism and is not a course we take lightly," Mr Johnson said.

"We are clear that an organisation should not be able to circumvent proscription by simply changing its name."

The coffins of two servicemen killed in Afghanistan pass through Wootton Bassett

An offshoot of Al Muhajiroun, Islam4UK is already well established and sparked fury when Mr Choudary announced plans for an anti-war protest in Wootton Bassett.

Crowds gather regularly in the town to honour British service personnel killed in the Afghanistan conflict.

The group said on Sunday it was cancelling the march, having achieved the publicity it wanted for its anti-war message.

Sky sources have said the move to outlaw Al Muhajiroun and Islam4UK was made well before the Wootton Bassett controversy.

Government lawyers have been monitoring the groups' websites and comments made by their spokesmen, including Mr Choudary.

Omar Bakri Mohammad: Still in touch

Even though the two organisations are to be banned, it is likely their supporters will simply re-form in another guise - as happened in 2004 when Al Muhajiroun was initially disbanded.

Then, its supporters formed two other groups, Al Ghurabaa and The Saved Sect, which were outlawed in July 2006.

From Thursday, Al Muhajiroun will also be banned under the names Call to Submission, Islam4UK, Islamic Path and London School of Sharia.

Al Muhajiroun and its supporters have never shied from controversy. After the 9/11 attacks in the US it held an event celebrating the "Magnificent 19" plane hijackers.
Although, Omar Bakri Mohammad is barred from entering the UK, he continues to preach to his followers in Britain over the internet and by phone.

Wootton Bassett: Government Bans Radical Islamist Group Al Muhajiroun And Others | UK News | Sky News

**StrontiumDog** · 13-01-2010, 01:24 AM

I'm pleased.

**Stinky** · 13-01-2010, 01:40 AM

They'll be back soon enough though, different guise but still the same shite

**Jet Gorgon** · 13-01-2010, 01:42 AM

Hope it works.

**larvidchr** · 13-01-2010, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'm pleased.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Hope it works.

Ditto

**rickda** · 13-01-2010, 02:03 AM

I agree a good move now lets ban Chowdrey from UK

**Mr Earl** · 13-01-2010, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Hope it works.

It wont work for long.

When Muslim women are popping out babies 4-8 times faster than anglo women it's only a matter of one generation till the Islamic republic of Europe comes into existence.
It's a numbers game now and they're winning hands down!
Say goodbye to the UK!

**meepho** · 13-01-2010, 02:34 AM

We now need to get them to work, then they will have less time to play thier silly games.

We have quite a diverse crowd on td, has any one come across any of these idiots in the work place. I will be sraight forward and state, apart from a couple of shops i do not see many of these type of muslims working compared to thier numbers in the UK, granted i am in construction, but i do get about a bit.

**Stinky** · 13-01-2010, 03:02 AM

They dont like building work, it's really hard

**crazy dog** · 13-01-2010, 07:49 AM

so why did it take gutless govt UK to ban these fvckers? well no they have not, only their organisation, they need to start banning the people not just their terrorist supporting gangs.

**panama hat** · 13-01-2010, 08:27 AM

I'd disagree with most of the posts above.

What good is it if the organisations are are banned if the people that set them up are not tried.

Legislating is all fine and good, but the only effective action is enforcement of existing laws

**crazy dog** · 13-01-2010, 08:54 AM

Banned bu the leader is now having 24 hour protection from the Police at enormous expense just 'in case' he is threatened by right wing groups, UK really is fvcked!!!!

**Agent_Smith** · 13-01-2010, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

I'd disagree with most of the posts above.

The UK's decision is kinda dumb on two levels. On the principal of free speech (I vehemently disagree with these groups but they have a right to express their opinion as long they don't resort to violence) and, secondly, driving these people underground only makes it tougher for law enforcement should they resort to violence. Best to let them have their little websites and rallies to keep track of who's who.

**Chairman Mao** · 13-01-2010, 09:40 AM

British authoritarian scum.

So religiously tolerant and superior.

**Whiteshiva** · 13-01-2010, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Originally Posted by panama hat

I'd disagree with most of the posts above.

The UK's decision is kinda dumb on two levels. On the principal of free speech (I vehemently disagree with these groups but they have a right to express their opinion as long they don't resort to violence) and, secondly, driving these people underground only makes it tougher for law enforcement should they resort to violence. Best to let them have their little websites and rallies to keep track of who's who.

Agree completely - as much as I dislike these fanatics, baning them from expressing their views within the limits of the law only makes them look like martyrs (the type without the 90 white raisins).*

* see thread https://teakdoor.com/issues/5499-virg...e-raisins.html

**larvidchr** · 13-01-2010, 10:16 AM

They are being banned because they are not within the law, and sure they will probably regroup, but that's not the most important issue, the issue here is for the Government to signal to others that inciting violence and hatred is not acceptable, and of-cause since the law are used all the time against alleged white racism, you cant very well allow a group of lunatic Islamist to get away with what all others are not allowed to do.

I'm personally all for completely free speech, but then it must go both ways!!. and that is not going to happen is it ?.

**DrB0b** · 13-01-2010, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

I'd disagree with most of the posts above.

What good is it if the organisations are are banned if the people that set them up are not tried.

Legislating is all fine and good, but the only effective action is enforcement of existing laws

It says in the OP that members are subject to arrest. It is an enforcement of an existing law, the "Terrorist Act 2000", which sounds like a video game.

Under UK law they have a term, "proscribed organisation". That means terrorists. It's a legal description originally created and used for groups like the IRA and the UVF. A way of dealing with members who couldn't be shown to have broken any other law. Membership alone of a proscribed organisation carries a fairly stiff jail sentence, 10 years.

Iin this case when they say "banned" they mean 'proscribed organisation" in which case all members are subject to arrest and jailing. That's stated in the OP, of course.

The law also understands that proscribed organisations may change their names so that's taken into account too. A "Proscribed Organisations (Name Change) Order" will be issued. If somebody is a member of a group that can be shown to be an alias for a proscribed organisation they can still be arrested and charged.

**panama hat** · 13-01-2010, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Iin this case when they say "banned" they mean 'proscribed organisation" in which case all members are subject to arrest and jailing. That's stated in the OP

I wasn't aware of that, thank you for pointing it out. A question, though, are a group's membership or leadership subject to arrest before a group is 'proscribed' or after it has been determined that this group should or would or will be?

We do agree on the enforcement aspect of it . . .

**Norton** · 13-01-2010, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

If somebody is a member of a group that can be shown to be an alias for a proscribed organisation they can still be arrested and charged.

Thai Democrats take note.

**DrB0b** · 13-01-2010, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Iin this case when they say "banned" they mean 'proscribed organisation" in which case all members are subject to arrest and jailing. That's stated in the OP

I wasn't aware of that, thank you for pointing it out. A question, though, are a group's membership or leadership subject to arrest before a group is 'proscribed' or after it has been determined that this group should or would or will be?

We do agree on the enforcement aspect of it . . .

After the group has been proscribed and if they're still members, they can be arrested. Before, only if they've broken some other law - which I'm sure those guys have - though it'd probably be hard to prove. I don't think criminal law in the UK can be "grandfathered".

**Mid** · 13-01-2010, 01:49 PM

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**panama hat** · 13-01-2010, 02:15 PM

Yes, it was the 'grandfather' aspect I was alluding to.

That's what I thought . . . so, they could just close one group when it has been proscribed and open another one until that one then gets proscribed etc ad infinitum

**DrB0b** · 13-01-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Yes, it was the 'grandfather' aspect I was alluding to.

That's what I thought . . . so, they could just close one group when it has been proscribed and open another one until that one then gets proscribed etc ad infinitum

No

Originally Posted by Drb0b

The law also understands that proscribed organisations may change their names so that's taken into account too. A "Proscribed Organisations (Name Change) Order" will be issued. If somebody is a member of a group that can be shown to be an alias for a proscribed organisation they can still be arrested and charged.

So if they do it once and it's shown that this new group is an alias for a proscribed organisation they can at that time be arrested for membership. Whether that will happen remains to be seen, guess it depends on whether or not the government needs a ratings boost.

**panama hat** · 13-01-2010, 02:51 PM

Got it.

Politics yet again

**bsnub** · 13-01-2010, 03:04 PM

This thread should go mkp as DrBob has fucked it all to hell. Stop censoring threads.

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