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    Detroit bomber 'singing like a canary' before arrest

    President Barack Obama is under fire over claims that the Christmas Day underwear bomber was "singing like a canary" until he was treated as an ordinary criminal and advised of his right to silence.


    By Philip Sherwell in New York
    Published: 6:27PM GMT 09 Jan 2010

    Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab Photo: AP


    The chance to secure crucial information about al-Qaeda operations in Yemen was lost because the Obama administration decided to charge and prosecute Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab as an ordinary criminal, critics say. He is said to have reduced his co-operation with FBI interrogators on the advice of his government-appointed defence counsel.
    The potential significance became chillingly clear this weekend when it was reported that shortly after his detention, he boasted that 20 more young Muslim men were being prepared for similar murderous missions in the Yemen.

    Full article :Detroit bomber 'singing like a canary' before arrest - Telegraph

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    poor lad he's all alone, so it's nice to see some one is thinking of him, quiete comforting really.

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    Under both military and civilian justice systems, suspects have a right to an attorney and the right to remain silent. The inference that somehow the military justice system has more tools to use during interrogation is false.

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    Psychopath.

    Looks as though flying has become riskier again.

    Nice.

    Fuckers.

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    If someone is caught dead to rights as this guy was, as far as I'm concerned he has forfeited all his 'human' rights and is fair game to be tortured until he reveals everything he knows and then shot in the head.
    If there is any doubt someone is guilty, sure, give them a trial, if it can be determined beyond doubt that they intended to blow up the plane with all it's passengers take him out the back immediately and shoot him.
    No trial, no mitigating circumstances, nothing. Bang, dead.
    The Chinese have a saying. Kill the chicken show the monkey.
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

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    During WW2 if a German soldier was caught without a uniform they shot him on the spot. Why do are these animals get more respect? They are at war and they do not wear a uniform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Under both military and civilian justice systems, suspects have a right to an attorney and the right to remain silent. The inference that somehow the military justice system has more tools to use during interrogation is false.
    Wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    If someone is caught dead to rights as this guy was, as far as I'm concerned he has forfeited all his 'human' rights and is fair game to be tortured until he reveals everything he knows and then shot in the head.
    If there is any doubt someone is guilty, sure, give them a trial, if it can be determined beyond doubt that they intended to blow up the plane with all it's passengers take him out the back immediately and shoot him.
    No trial, no mitigating circumstances, nothing. Bang, dead.
    The Chinese have a saying. Kill the chicken show the monkey.
    Agree. Mind, he's already burned his own balls off, so kill him quick. More humane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Agree.
    Yeah, throw the rule of law, bill of rights and the constitution out of the window. Who needs 'em?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Agree.
    Yeah, throw the rule of law, bill of rights and the constitution out of the window. Who needs 'em?
    When it comes to assholes like this, yes.
    Did he take those things into consideration when he was about to blow up a plane full of innocent people on Christmas day.
    Oh heaven forbid we should deny him his 'rights'.
    Like I said. he forfeited any rights the minute he tried to blow up a plane ful of innocent people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Agree.
    Yeah, throw the rule of law, bill of rights and the constitution out of the window. Who needs 'em?
    When it comes to assholes like this, yes.
    Did he take those things into consideration when he was about to blow up a plane full of innocent people on Christmas day.
    No, he didn't. That's what makes him a terrorist, a (attempted) murderer, and a criminal. Do you think the way to fight terrorists, murderers, and criminals is to become terrorists, murderers, and criminals?

    This kind of comment makes me wonder just what people mean when they say "terrorists are trying to destroy our way of life". If that way of life involves throwing away all the things that go towards making a decent society (and, no, our way of life doesn't involve throwing away those things, despite the heartfelt wishes of the more brutish among us) then it's hardly a way of life worth defending. The beliefs of some people here share more with Richard Ramirez and Henry Lee Lucas than they do with Tom Paine or Benjamin Franklin. I can't really see much difference in quality between the beliefs shown in posts like the quoted post and what Umar Farouk believes. The only differences are surface differences, fundamentally they both seem to share the same callous disregard for life, law, liberty, and decency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Agree.
    Yeah, throw the rule of law, bill of rights and the constitution out of the window. Who needs 'em?
    When it comes to assholes like this, yes.
    Did he take those things into consideration when he was about to blow up a plane full of innocent people on Christmas day.
    No, he didn't. That's what makes him a terrorist, a (attempted) murderer, and a criminal. Do you think the way to fight terrorists, murderers, and criminals is to become terrorists, murderers, and criminals?

    This kind of comment makes me wonder just what people mean when they say "terrorists are trying to destroy our way of life". If that way of life involves throwing away all the things that go towards making a decent society (and, no, our way of life doesn't involve throwing away those things, despite the heartfelt wishes of the more brutish among us) then it's hardly a way of life worth defending. The beliefs of some people here share more with Richard Ramirez and Henry Lee Lucas than they do with Tom Paine or Benjamin Franklin. I can't really see much difference in quality between the beliefs shown in posts like the quoted post and what Umar Farouk believes. The only differences are surface differences, fundamentally they both seem to share the same callous disregard for life, law, liberty, and decency.
    The reason the U.S. is seen as so weak is is because too many people have that attitude.
    Perhaps what he needs is nice cup of tea and a chat with a social worker, a little understanding, right? maybe his mummy didn't give him enough hugs as a child.
    Wrong.
    He needs to be taken out the back and put down like the rabid dog that he is.
    Kill the chicken show the monkey.
    Can you figure out what it means?

    What do YOU suggest is done with him?

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    The silly thing is when Briton saw Irish Republicans as "Terrorist", America saw them as freedom fighters and refused to extradite them.

    [QUOTE="DrB0b"]callous disregard for life, law, liberty, and decency. /QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    The silly thing is when Briton saw Irish Republicans as "Terrorist", America saw them as freedom fighters and refused to extradite them.
    What some people wil do for votes eh

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    [quote=superman;1288558]The silly thing is when Briton saw Irish Republicans as "Terrorist", America saw them as freedom fighters and refused to extradite them.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    callous disregard for life, law, liberty, and decency. /QUOTE]
    What's that got to do with anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Looks as though flying has become riskier again.

    Nice.

    Fuckers.
    Not nearly as risky as being born poor in a country half way round the world from America that happens to have oil.

    Fuckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    The silly thing is when Briton saw Irish Republicans as "Terrorist", America saw them as freedom fighters and refused to extradite them.
    Agree. Hypocrisy and double standards. Not right at all. Mind you I don't see how that's relevant to anything on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    The silly thing is when Briton saw Irish Republicans as "Terrorist", America saw them as freedom fighters and refused to extradite them.
    Agree. Hypocrisy and double standards. Not right at all. Mind you I don't see how that's relevant to anything on this thread.
    No it's just terrible.
    But how do you suggest we deal with people who try to blow up civilian airliners as though they were a market full of women and children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug
    What do YOU suggest is done with him?
    Give him a fair trial. There is a good reason to keep it in the legal framework I want to have for me too.

    However given the circumstances of this case I don't know why that trial should lasat longer than 47 minutes. The evidence is clear enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    The silly thing is when Briton saw Irish Republicans as "Terrorist", America saw them as freedom fighters and refused to extradite them.
    Agree. Hypocrisy and double standards. Not right at all. Mind you I don't see how that's relevant to anything on this thread.
    No it's just terrible.
    But how do you suggest we deal with people who try to blow up civilian airliners as though they were a market full of women and children.
    Same way as other criminals are dealt with. The British Government found that one of the best ways to deal with Irish Terrorist prisoners was to treat them as criminals rather than putting them into a special category (which they had done for years) and to call them murderers rather than giving them a kind of legitimacy as political prisoners. Of course, in the end, that particular conflict was ended by compromise and negotiation but that only worked because the Irish terrorists were fighting for political rather than religious aims.

    As far as interrogation goes, believe it or not, one of the best ways to get info out of a prisoner is the "cup of tea and a chat" routine. "Befriending", as a technique, has worked very well against a number of terrorists, torture is not so successful. The purpose of interrogation is to gather information and not to vent your feelings by beating the crap out of the prisoner. Psychological techniques are far more efficient than techniques using violence, they're not so useful for enemy propaganda purposes either.

    BTW why should there be any difference between blowing up a plane and blowing up people in a market?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug
    No it's just terrible. But how do you suggest we deal with people who try to blow up civilian airliners as though they were a market full of women and children.
    Are you implying it is not ok to blow up a US airplane but it is ok to blow up a market in Pakistan or Irak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug
    No it's just terrible. But how do you suggest we deal with people who try to blow up civilian airliners as though they were a market full of women and children.
    Are you implying it is not ok to blow up a US airplane but it is ok to blow up a market in Pakistan or Irak?
    Absolutely not, I'm saying it is just as monstrous and they should be dealt with in the same manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Mind you I don't see how that's relevant to anything on this thread.
    He's no different to the "Irish Republican freedome fighters". He's a freedom fighter not a terrorist. He's only a terrorist because America says he is. That's the point I'm trying to make. Shall I go back to sleep ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Mind you I don't see how that's relevant to anything on this thread.
    He's no different to the "Irish Republican freedome fighters". He's a freedom fighter not a terrorist. He's only a terrorist because America says he is. That's the point I'm trying to make. Shall I go back to sleep ?
    Yemin needs freeing?

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    Only Fox News or someone ignorant enough to watch it would complain about an arrestee being given an attorney and told of his right to remain silence. Such criticism is not worth paying any attention to. If America abandons its freedom in a effort to save the country from terrorists then there will be nothing left worth saving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    Only Fox News or someone ignorant enough to watch it would complain about an arrestee being given an attorney and told of his right to remain silence.
    Give me a break, oh heaven forbid we upset the poor fellow by not following procedure.
    Take him out the back and put him down like a rabid dog.
    And I never watch fox news unless it's the only English channel on the TV in the hotel.
    If there are only 2 and the other is Al Jazera I'd rather watch that.
    You and your ilk are very small minded.

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