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    Japan : Whalers sink Sea Shepherd boat

    Whalers sink Sea Shepherd boat
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    The Ady Gil was at a standstill in Australian waters mwhen the Japanese whaling ship rammed into it
    (ABC News: Jayne Landsberg)

    The anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd says one of its boats has sunk in the Southern Ocean after being hit by a Japanese vessel.

    The group says the Ady Gil was at a standstill in Australian waters off Commonwealth Bay when the Japanese whaling ship Shonan Maru 2 deliberately rammed into it.

    Sea Shepherd spokesman Chris Aultman, a helicopter pilot for the group, says no crew members were injured in the incident, but the ship has been destroyed.

    "The vessel was dead in the water. It was completely and absolutely a wilful act," he said.

    "Luckily no one was in the bow of the vessel at the time of the collision or they certainly would have been killed instantly."

    Lacky Maclean, the first mate of the Sea Shepherd's ship, the Steve Irwin, says the bow of the Ady Gil was cut off in the attack.

    "There's a big difference between throwing stink bombs and sinking a vessel," he said.

    A spokesman for Japan's Fisheries Agency, which oversees the country's whaling program, says it is investigating the incident.

    The Federal Government has repeated its call for restraint by all parties in the Southern Ocean.

    Earlier in the day the Ady Gil clashed with a different Japanese whaling boat.

    Sea Shepherd unveiled the Ady Gil in October last year, describing it as "a fast, futuristic-looking trimaran that recently set the world record for global circumnavigation".

    The ship, which can reach up to 50 knots, was used to intercept and block harpoon ships from killing whales.

    Captain Paul Watson, the president and founder of Sea Shepherd, had said the ship enabled the group's current campaign to be the "most ambitious and aggressive effort to date".

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    Looks like a wee stealth boat. Japanese will simply say they couldn't see it on radar and accidentally rammed it. I have little sympathy with the Sea Shepard tactics so if they want to play rough then shit like this is going to happen.

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    Good. It serves them right. I was surprised at the amount of restraint the Japanese has used with these clowns up to now. Too bad no one was in the boat that sank, that would be one less idiot in this World. Besides, Norton is right, if you want to play rough you have no right to whine like a little bit*h when something bad happens to you.

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    I can just imagine Paul Watson, as his lettuce munching crew scream with horror....

    "Fucking awesome, just what I wanted...."

    He strikes me as a bit of a nutter.

    A good friend of mine was on standby for this expedition, personally I pray he never gets on board, I don't trust Watson he's Dangerous By Design. That pathetic first mate he used to have (maybe still does) was a fucking dickhead of the highest order. Lead people into shit and then point the finger of blame firmly at them. He was Dangerous By Stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    I have little sympathy with the Sea Shepard tactics so if they want to play rough then shit like this is going to happen.
    I am for damn sure glad it has finally happened and it will get worse.

    No fault of the Japanese if some asshole runs his boat in front of you and violates International Rules of the Road as that bunch of loonys have been doing for ever.
    You give a fishing boat involved in fishing room and do not fuck with them, Those are whaling boats so they should be able to harpoon the fuckers if they get in the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    He strikes me as a bit of a nutter.
    Worse. A psychotic, terrorist wanna be modern day buccaneer. And this stuff only up through 1993:

    1977: Paul Watson, one of the founder members of Greenpeace, was expelled from the organisation after a campaign against sealing during which he threw the sealers’ clubs and skins into the sea. His actions temporarily cost Greenpeace their tax-exemption status in the US.

    1977: Paul Watson establishes the “Sea Shepherd” organisation.

    1979: A Sea Shepherd vessel rams the whaler “Sierra”.

    1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbour with the help of limpet mines. Sea Shepherd claims responsibility.

    1981: Sea Shepherd sinks the two whaling vessels, Ibsa I and Ibsa II, in the Spanish harbour of Viga (Sole source Sea Shepherd. This has not been confirmed by any other source)
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    1986: Sea Shepherd activists shoot at Faroese police with a line rifle and try to sink their rubber dinghies. The vessel “Sea Shepherd” was ordered to leave Faroese territorial waters after attempting to obstruct the Faroese pilot whale harvest. The vessel ignored the order, and Faroese police tried unsuccessfully to board the ship. In the police report of Oct. 7,1986, it says: “One of the rubber dinghies was attacked directly by a so called “Speed Line” line rifle. The attack is considered to have endangered the lives of the police crew members seriously ... also, signal flares containing phosphorous (a substance which both burns and cauterizes) was thrown at the police. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used so called “toads” (i.e. rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends), against the rubber dinghies .. petrol was poured over the side of the ship ... whereupon signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in a miscarried attempt to set the petrol on fire.” Sea Shepherd accused the Faroese police of having shot at them with rifles. The police emphasize in their report that they only used tear gas and gas cartridges from shotguns.

    1986: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of two whaling vessels in Reykjavik, Iceland, and for malicious damage to the whaling station not far from the town. The act was carried out by two US citizens, one of them, Rodney Corronado, is now wanted in the US for several incidents of serious animal rights terrorism.

    1988: Paul Watson arrives in Iceland demanding to be held responsible for the sinking of the whaling vessels in Reykjavik in 1986. He is arrested and held for questioning. He realizes that he can risk facing several years imprisonment. In a press release from the Icelandic Ministry of Justice it says: “At questioning Paul Watson has admitted that he has given some remarks that connect him with the sabotage, but in spite of this he now claims that he neither took part in the planning nor the execution of the sabotage.” There was no evidence incriminating Watson. He was ordered to leave the country and declared persona non grata in Iceland

    1991: Mr A. Ferreira, A US crew member on a Mexican fishing vessel, reports to his senator that Sea Shepherd rammed his vessel causing considerable damage. Some of Sea Shepherd’s crew were armed with rifles. Senator John Seymour replies: “Your situation does not fall under my jurisdiction. I have therefore forwarded your letter to the American Tunaboat Association.”

    1991: Scott Trimmingham, president of Sea Shepherd quits in protest. “We had rules about not hurting anyone, about not using weapons. I left because those rules and that philosophy seems to be changing,” he said to “Outside” magazine (Sept. 1991). Paul Watson admits that there are arms on board “Sea Shepherd”. “We confront dangerous people. As the captain, it is my responsibility to protect the lives of my crew ... Therefore, I have prepared myself for the possibility of defending my crew in a situation that could go never occur, but if it does I will use firearms to first intimidate and then to defend,” said Watson to the Los Angeles Free Weekly (April 24, 1992).
    Seattle Times columnist Alston Chase comments thus on Sea Shepherds relationship to weapons: “The business of Sea Shepherd is confrontation, whereby these sailor activists try to provoke others to attack. Crying self-defence in these circumstances is like the gunfighter who starts a quarrel to justify duelling his enemy.” (The Seattle Times, July 1, 1991).

    1992: Sea Shepherd makes unsuccessful attempts at ramming three Costa Rican fishing vessels. In a written complaint to the local authorities the fishermen report that the Sea Shepherd crew shot at them with bullets containing a red substance, hitting two of them and causing them great pain.

    1992: Sea Shepherd makes unsuccessful attempt at scuttling the combined minke whaling and fishing vessel "Nybræna" at her moorings in the Lofoten Islands. The vessel was salvaged, but the water had caused considerable damage.

    1993: Paul Watson orders the crew on board the Sea Shepherd vessel “Edward Abbey” (formerly US Navy) to open cannon fire at a Japanese fishing vessel. The following transcript stems from the 1993 Yorkshire Television documentary “Defenders of the Wild - Ocean Rider”
    Paul Watson (over the radio): We are going to ram you!
    Stand clear!

    A Taiwanese drift-netter (over the radio): “Why are you
    crushing our ship?”

    Paul Watson: “You are killing too many dolphins ..
    and you insulted us by calling us creeps.” From another confrontation with a Japanese fishing vessel: Narrator: Sea Shepherd is ready to ram again.
    Now Paul Watson wants the Edward Abbey to fire directly
    at the drift-netters.

    Watson: “Fire a couple in the stern right at the water line.
    Nobody’s there.”

    Narrator: “To the relief of many of the crew members the
    order is not carried out. The Edward Abbey fires a cannon
    shot across its bow. Still the Japanese ship does not stop." 1993: Sea Shepherd makes an unsuccesful attempt at scuttling the combined minke whaling and fishing vessel "Senet" at her moorings in Gressvik. The vessel was salvaged, but the water had caused some damage.

    1993: Sea Shepherd concludes that the organisation has sunk 8 ships and rammed and damaged a further 6.
    Dismissed from the IWC
    After the sinking of the Icelandic whaling vessels in 1986, Sea Shepherd lost its status as observer at the IWC. The organisation claims that it is merely enforcing IWC rules. In February 1994, IWC Secretary, Ray Gambell, declared to NTB (the Norwegian Telegram Agency) that the IWC and all its member states ardently condemn Sea Shepherd’s acts of terrorism.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Did anyone else watch the Discovery Channel Whale Wars?

    Rather funny when he tried to claim he'd been shot. To me it was obviously fake.

    And the way he tries to absolve himself from actually giving orders....

    Wanker

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    If it turns out to be true and the Japanese fishing vessel did intentional ram the Ady Gil it demonstrates that the Japs are more than prepared to up the anti to the point even killing people.
    I don't much care for the Japanese willingness to kill off an entire species just to feed their ridiculous lust for (so called) exotic foods and now it seems as if they are happy to kill people in the pursuit of their appetite.

    If it can be determined that the Ady Gil really was dead in the water and deliberately rammed, and as this incident happened inside Australian waters, then the captain of the Japanese Fishing vessel involved should be brought up on charges of attempted murder.


    A very nasty development and I would expect Sea shepherd to pursue this to get financially compensated and to use it as a big PR coup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit
    a big PR coup
    That's exactly what it is...... and the truth will be distorted by both sides.....

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    Agree 100%

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    The crew of the Sea Sheppeard are all muppets. I wouldn't go to sea with any of them. I have even email the ship to tell them to improve their training before someone gets killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    The crew of the Sea Sheppeard are all muppets. I wouldn't go to sea with any of them. I have even email the ship to tell them to improve their training before someone gets killed.
    Agree, I've seen the way they put launches in the water..scary stuff mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit
    If it can be determined that the Ady Gil really was dead in the water and deliberately rammed
    Assuming the captain and crew don't confess, there is no chance of proving intentional ramming. A small, black, stealth boat, dead in the water would certainly not jump out on any radar I know about. As I said, captain simply has to say "we didn't see it visually or on radar".

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    Rubbish. "All vessels at all time will maintain a proper look out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher
    Rubbish. "All vessels at all time will maintain a proper look out"
    Indeed. Therefore a large ship accidentally hitting a small boat, dead in the water can never happen. Keep in mind this was a boat designed not to be detected. The captain of the whaler would have to have a piss poor lawyer to lose this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit View Post
    If it turns out to be true and the Japanese fishing vessel did intentional ram the Ady Gil it demonstrates that the Japs are more than prepared to up the anti to the point even killing people.
    I don't much care for the Japanese willingness to kill off an entire species just to feed their ridiculous lust for (so called) exotic foods and now it seems as if they are happy to kill people in the pursuit of their appetite.
    It's not even about that, it's mostly about Japanese domestic politics and jobs. Whale meat has never been an especially popular dish, people don't really like the taste of it. The nostalgia for eating it comes mostly from it being served at school lunches after the war, because it was cheap.

    The problem with the Japanese argument that they should be allowed to whale is that the way they talk, about their traditions (which is bullshit) and their willingness to manage catches is that they seem to pretend that only they, and maybe Norway, will get to whale. Open the door to whaling and the Chinese, Russians, Koreans, and several others will be back at it in big way, and bye-bye whales.

    Nobody should be eating whale meat anyway, it is chock-a-block with mercury and other heavy metals. Even a single serving of it can contain a toxic dose of mercury.
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    The rule goes on to say by all and any means. ie, if you hit a stationary vessel then you were not maintening a "proper look out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post

    It's not even about that, it's mostly about Japanese domestic politics and jobs. Whale meat has never been an especially popular dish, people don't really like the taste of it. The nostalgia for eating it comes mostly from it being served at school lunches after the war, because it was cheap.

    The problem with the Japanese argument that they should be allowed to whale is that the way they talk, about their traditions (which is bullshit) and their willingness to manage catches is that they seem to pretend that only they, and maybe Norway, will get to whale. Open the door to whaling and the Chinese, Russians, Koreans, and several others will be back at it in big way, and bye-bye whales.

    Nobody should be eating whale meat anyway, it is chock-a-block with mercury and other heavy metals. Even a single serving of it can contain a toxic dose of mercury.
    Thanks for that robzo, always happy to read your well informed posts

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    you can clearly see in the video the boat wasn't dead in the water. look at the prop wash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    The rule goes on to say by all and any means. ie, if you hit a stationary vessel then you were not maintening a "proper look out"
    They obviously did it on purpose. I've worked on Japanese fishing boats, and some of those guys are crazy enough to do something like this, even if they are risking major damage to their own vessel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit
    I don't much care for the Japanese willingness to kill off an entire species just to feed their ridiculous lust for (so called) exotic foods and now it seems as if they are happy to kill people in the pursuit of their appetite.
    The species is in no danger of being extinct, there are more than enough to sustain the whales and in fact some species should be thinned some.
    and as far as the japs being happy to kill people, it seems to me that those people are putting themselves in harms way and some of them should be killed if thats what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit
    I don't much care for the Japanese willingness to kill off an entire species just to feed their ridiculous lust for (so called) exotic foods and now it seems as if they are happy to kill people in the pursuit of their appetite.
    The species is in no danger of being extinct
    Do you think that would be the case if there were no restrictions in place to limit what the Japs can catch.... I doubt it myself

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    Well then it depends who was the stand on vessel then. Rules also say that you can do anything to avoid a collision.

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