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Old 08-11-2009, 12:01 AM   #81 (permalink)
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No group of people has immunity from mental illness that can turn violent. Be it medical doctors, Muslims or the nice white Christian bloke next door. How many of the massacres in USA have been carried out by American Muslim citizens in recent years? There have been plenty of murders carried out by Christian extremist nutters in that time though.
Yeah but how many whack as many as these Mooslims do? Recall the DC Shooter? He gunned down a dozen before they caught him.
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Most shootings in the US are carried out by white anglo saxons I thought,and maybe most bombings.
The mad christians bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors dont they.
And that timothy mcvay macvee?
Strange name for a moslem-how many did he kill again?
Werent these dead soldiers about to go off to war?
The nutter just cut out the middle man and saved them a long flight.
Seem to be rather a lot of blacks shooting each other that you forgot about as well as the Korean kid who was responsible for the largest college slaughter
No one seems to be drawing a distinction between isolated and rare cases and the default Islamic mode of rioting, killing and blowing things up. Quite a difference.
It's fairly easy to find instances of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc. going mad and killing people, but they always commit such acts to nearly universal condemnation by their co-believers. When Muslims attack, the silence is notable except for isolated cases of groups like CAIR trying to institute damage control in order to disguise their utter glee at yet another strike against the infidel. Islam is a mental illness.
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Old 08-11-2009, 12:51 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Who has blown the most things up in foreign countries recently?

Is it a world superpower conducting 'wars' that were started by a guy who said he was inspired by god or a tiny minority of fanatics in a religion that manage to make most Americans cream their pants watching FOX?
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Who has blown the most things up in foreign countries recently?

Is it a world superpower conducting 'wars' that were started by a guy who said he was inspired by god or a tiny minority of fanatics in a religion that manage to make most Americans cream their pants watching FOX?
In your view, is there any difference between the initiation of violence and retaliation? If not, then logic is not likely something that would appeal to you.
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In your view, is there any difference between the initiation of violence and retaliation? If not, then logic is not likely something that would appeal to you.
Yeah, I always hated that "turn the other cheek" thing, it's so socialisty. But then again I am not a christian so I don't really give a shit

In my view the criminals who blew up the WTC should have been prosecuted as criminals, not glorified into some sort of anti-heroic anti-freedom fighters.

When your mate Tim McVeigh blew up the OK city building which religion did you logically retaliate against? When it comes to logical thinking then religion, patriotism, xenophobia et al go out of the window.

Go back to cowering in your undisclosed location Dick, the moooooslins are going to kill you dontcha know? Or perhaps grovel before your chosen deity, safe in your comfy knowledge that you are so much better than them.
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:26 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Steady on there Slack.. since I know you appreciate so-called "GOP Talking Points", let me point something out to you!

Headline of the day from the BBC no less:

"Shooting Raises Fears For Muslims in US Army"

Oh yeah?

Right now the body count stands at...drum roll please...

Non-Muslims = 13
Muslims = 0


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Old 08-11-2009, 05:40 AM   #87 (permalink)
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WELL, It is only a matter of time untill inocent people get tired of the nutter extreamists and go rampage on all muslims if this type of thing continues !!!
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this is exactly like Vietnam, crazy veterans doing what they do best, that is killing people

you will get more stories like that unfortunately,
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Americans seem to love a bogeyman to fight against. Whether it be communists, blacks or Muslims. With so many paranoid people running around with guns in the place there's bound to be a few Muslims killed sooner or later. And no doubt many thousands of US Muslims will be persecuted in this new wave of hysterical and paranoid patriotic fervor that the Yanks are so famous for.

Yet even Bush went to pains to point out that his so called war on terror was NOT a war against Muslims. I guess he had to do that because the worlds main oil suppliers are all Muslim countries.

The lynch mob mentality of people like Jet and Booners here surely translates to several million Americans with similar twisted views. Dont worry about "reds under the beds" anymore, --- all Muslims are now a potential terrorist threat to the good American people.

The ironic thing is that it could well end up being a self fulfilling wish as persecution of minority groups can sometimes drive individuals over the edge to mental illness and result in violent reprisals. Something that appears to have cumulated in the Fort Hood massacre.
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You are suggesting that Muslims are persecuted in the USA which is making them mad enough to slaughter innocent people? seems a bit far fetched as when blacks were undoubtedly persecuted there were never mass murders committed by blacks driven insane by the injustices against them, and that persecution was 100x more than any real, or more likely imagined persecution of Muslims. It's the religion that makes them mad for blood.
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this is exactly like Vietnam, crazy veterans doing what they do best, that is killing people

you will get more stories like that unfortunately,
Except he's not a vet.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:03 AM   #92 (permalink)
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"Shooting Raises Fears For Muslims in US Army"
The Army is faced with a problem. Those of the Muslim faith and those who serve with them will lack the essential ingredient required in a military unit. 100% trust your team members will do their job. Military units cannot function if individuals decide to follow an agenda aligned with a cause, be it political, religious or whatever. So now the Army must deal with how to resolve the trust issue when they have Muslims integrated in units with non Muslims engaged in fighting Muslims.

Not the first time the Army has had to deal with similar problems. Examples; Japanese Americans serving during WW2 and racial conflict in the military in the 1960s when race riots in the US were the norm.

DoD will likely come up with cultural awareness cross training programs and the like to attempt to instill "trust" amongst the troops. Other than this, doubt DoD will do much more because the issue is not as severe as the "media" would have us believe.
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make all serving muslims swear on the Koran their first allegiance is to the country they serve. Those that won't, kick them out.
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make all serving muslims swear on the Koran their first allegiance is to the country they serve. Those that won't, kick them out.
Can't work as Islam is higher than any country . . . and if you think that western nations are the only ones having trouble with this, think again.

Here in Malaysia there is a battle between Sharia law and Constitutional law . . . so far religious law is losing out . . . but even in countries like Saudi the leaders are having trouble with Islam being above the leadership . . . and the royal family is doing its best to stay on top . . . as it were.
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^^It wouldn't work. They could change their minds later, or lie and be 'sleepers'.
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make all serving muslims swear on the Koran their first allegiance is to the country they serve. Those that won't, kick them out.
Can't work as Islam is higher than any country . .
precisely, so if they cannot swear allegiance to the country they are sworn to protect, particularly if that country is at war with countries that identify primarily with the object of the soldier first allegiance, the soldier is a danger. Do not allow muslims to serve in the U.S. or British armed forces. ( or Aus, Canada etc, you know what I mean)
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make all serving muslims swear on the Koran their first allegiance is to the country they serve. Those that won't, kick them out.
Can't work as Islam is higher than any country . .
precisely, so if they cannot swear allegiance to the country they are sworn to protect, particularly if that country is at war with countries that identify primarily with the object of the soldier first allegiance, the soldier is a danger. Do not allow muslims to serve in the U.S. or British armed forces. ( or Aus, Canada etc, you know what I mean)
Why stop at Muslims?
Ask the Christians, Jews etc.. to put their country before their God.
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make all serving muslims swear on the Koran their first allegiance is to the country they serve. Those that won't, kick them out.
Can't work as Islam is higher than any country . .
precisely, so if they cannot swear allegiance to the country they are sworn to protect, particularly if that country is at war with countries that identify primarily with the object of the soldier first allegiance, the soldier is a danger. Do not allow muslims to serve in the U.S. or British armed forces. ( or Aus, Canada etc, you know what I mean)
Why stop at Muslims?
Ask the Christians, Jews etc.. to put their country before their God.
Because Christains and Jews aren't blowing themselves and their compatriots up or murdering them in the name of their religion.
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PH is right nothing can be above their religion and it's crazy book of a schizophrenic's rantings, maybe that is why Islam is so divisive and damaging.
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It would be interesting, in a purely academic sense, so see what would happen in the US if the US were to invade and/or bomb Israel.

I doubt the Jewish population or soldiers serving in the US armed forces would simply accept that and line up to go fight and kill Jews.
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