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callippo

try finding a reference to Al Quadea prior to 911.

google turns this up in thirty seconds :

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/06/wo...threat.htmlU.S. Embassy In Rome Sends Staff Home After Threat By James Risen

Published: Saturday, January 6, 2001

Officials in Washington say that American intelligence recently was told of a threat made by Islamic terrorists against the interests of the United States and at least one other country represented in Rome. Other officials said the threat came from people associated with Osama bin Laden's organization, Al Qaeda.

Smithson

I got a page not found message, but I'm sure the artcile exists.

crazy dog

No it did not, the accident happened at around 12.23 A.M. she was in hospital and dead by 6 A.M

Butterfly

AQ has been known since 1993, after the first WTC bombing

it was actually a name made up by the US government to identify the organization and trial them in their absence

superman

A bit like "Jack the Ripper" ? The plot thickens.

Smithson

I think it was first used in late 2000, they were trying to convict Bin Laden and needed to show him to be the head of an organization in order to use the RICO laws, so the name Al Queda was invented.

This according to a BBC doco The Power of Nightmares which is wel worth a look, it's much more believable than Loose Change.

According to the doco:
"al-Qaeda is so weakly linked together that it is hard to say it exists apart from Osama bin Laden and a small clique of close associates. The lack of any significant numbers of convicted al-Qaeda members despite a large number of arrests on terrorism charges is cited by the documentary as a reason to doubt whether a widespread entity that meets the description of al-Qaeda exists at all. Therefore the extent and nature of al-Qaeda remains a topic of dispute."

I don't think you'll find links using the name Al Queda prior to this court case.

Rural Surin

A create U.S. entity. Historically, well maintained and underwritten. Even to this day. We so easily forget our contenporary history. Perpetual boogieman....even if we have to make one up.

pickel

I've never heard that 19 are still alive, but here is a link that says some of them are.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

teddy

I think they were patsys just like the little shit they said shot JFK. They were convinced to board those planes but they didn't know what was going to happen

Don Juan

They're a myth.

cambtek

I laways loved the demolition theory,we have all seen those programmes where they wire up buildings for demolition.
Imagine the number of workers scurrying around the twin towers at night with explosives,hundreds of kilometers of cable and drilling all those holes with hammer drills.
Wouldnt the cleaners in the building at night have seen or heard something?
How good were the demolition boys to have hidden all traces of their work by the morning,it would have taken months to set it up wouldnt it?
Anyone who believes this rubbish has to be off their trolley.

callippo

The New York Times: Search for 'al qaeda'

the earliest references in the NYT archive to Al Queda I can find is about September, 1998 - shortly after the Tanzanian and Kenyan embassy bombings.

Smithson

Your correct, there are references in 1998. It does appear that the name was first used by the US Govt in a effort to show Bin Laden as the head of an international organization so he could be included in the indictment.

So in a sense Al Quadea was invented by the US govt.

Smithson

^ Yes, as weird as the collapse looks, the scenario you presented sound doesn't seems pretty unlikely.

The British program Horizon gave an explanation of why the design led to the collapse.

I think the govt has something to hide, but that doesn't mean they planned it.

There was no grand conspiracy, everyone involved took advantage of the hand they were dealt.

On the one hand Bush and Co got to have wars, more arms spending and stamp on the constitution.

On the other hand, Bin Laden and his mates got to be considered the head of a 'massive network with tentacles reaching into all corners of the globe'. Just what he'd always wanted.

Butterfly

the trial of the first WTC bombing happened before 2000, something like 1994 or 1996, this is when the term was first coined

that name has been circulating for a while, I heard it on TV before 1998 quite a few times

Smithson

I don't think so
'The US intelligence community used the term "al-Qaeda" for the first time only after the 1998 embassy bombings'

StrontiumDog

Right...the wacky backy...explains it all.