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    Canada, BC; Grizzlies Starve as Salmon Disappear

    Grizzlies starve as salmon disappear - The Globe and Mail
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    Vancouver — From Wednesday's Globe and Mail Last updated on Wednesday, Sep. 09, 2009 03:17AM EDT

    First the salmon vanished, now the bears may be gone too.
    Reports from conservationists, salmon-stream walkers and ecotourism guides all along British Columbia's wild central coast indicate a collapse of salmon runs has triggered widespread death from starvation of black and grizzly bears. Those guides are on the front lines of what they say is an unfolding ecological disaster that is so new that it has not been documented by biologists.
    “I've never experienced anything like this. There has been a huge drop in the number of bears we see,” said Doug Neasloss, a bear-viewing guide with the Kitasoo-Xaixais tribes in Klemtu, about 180 kilometres south of Kitimat.
    Mr. Neasloss said in recent weeks that he and other guides have visited 16 rivers where they usually encounter groups of bears feeding on spawning salmon.
    “I've been doing this for 11 years and this is the worst I've seen it,” he said. “Last year on the Mussel River, I saw 27 bears. This year it's six. That's an indication of what it's like everywhere.”
    He said on another river last fall, he saw 12 black bears and three spirit bears, rare black bears with white fur.
    “This year, there are three black bears and no white bears,” he said.
    Mr. Neasloss said for several years salmon runs have been in decline in the area, but last year was particularly bad.
    “I've never seen bears hungry in the fall before, but last year, they were starving,” he said. “I noticed in the spring there weren't as many bears coming out, but I felt it was premature to jump to any conclusions. … but now there just aren't any bears. It's scary,” he said.
    “I think a lot are dead. I think they died in their dens [last winter],” he said.
    Ian McAllister, Conservation Director of Pacific Wild, a non-profit conservation group on Denny Island, near Bella Bella, said he's heard similar reports.
    “I've talked to stream walkers [who monitor salmon runs] who have been out for a month and have yet to see any bears,” he said. “There are just no bears showing up. I hear that from every stream walker on the coast.”
    Mr. McAllister said it used to be easy to visit salmon streams in the Great Bear Rainforest, a large area of protected forest on the central coast, and see 20 to 30 bears a day feasting on salmon.
    “Now you go out there and there are zero bears. The reports are coming in from Terrace to Cape Caution … the bears are gone,” he said.
    “And we haven't seen any cubs with mothers. That's the most alarming part of this,” Mr. McAllister said.
    He said the problem is that chum salmon runs in the area have collapsed.
    While there are strong runs of pink salmon into rivers on the central coast, chum, which are much bigger fish that spawn later in the year, are the key food item for bears preparing for hibernation.
    Without an adequate supply of big salmon late in the year, said Mr. McAllister, bears do not have enough fat to survive the winter in their dens.
    “The lack of salmon last fall, coupled with a long, cold winter, is what's at the root of this,” he said.
    “River systems that in the past had 50,000 to 60,000 chum have now got 10 fish,” he said. “The chum runs have been fished out. We've seen the biological extinction of a [salmon] species, and now we're seeing the impact on bears.”
    Fred Seiler, with Silvertip Ecotours, in Terrace, said the Department of Fisheries and Oceans should not allow salmon to be commercially harvested in areas where stocks are in trouble.
    “This should be a huge red flag for DFO … but they continue to manage British Columbia's salmon fishery in a total state of denial,” he said. “Even as we speak, they are still considering more [salmon fishing] openings when not enough fish have returned to the rivers.
    In a joint statement, Mr. McAllister, Mr. Seiler and Mr. Neasloss called on the government to close all chum-salmon fisheries and cancel the fall grizzly-bear hunt.
    The worst salmon disaster this year has been on the Fraser River, on the south coast, where 10.6 million sockeye were expected, but only about 1.6 million returned.
    “The collapse of the Fraser sockeye and now the north-coast chum salmon runs is leading to ecological collapse of our coast ecosystems,” said Mr. McAllister.



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    even less life for those nasty canuks to club to death then.

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    Terrible news, wonder how much the price of tinned salmon will reach

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    over fishing greedy people

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    It probably means the seal population will explode and they'll be clubbing those in record numbers.

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    Whats wrong with the bears eating the seals, seems 2 problems solved in one, no need for the clubbing to death and bears get a nice meaty dinner, and more importantly, we get more tinned salmon

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    It's worse than I thought, in Canada men are fighting against the bears for the salmon


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    Sad that government departments charged with protecting such fisheries are the root cause of over exploitation, negligence and gross environmental vandalism. Same thing is happening the world over. One would at least expect more in developed countries, but it seems that greed outweighs common sense.


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    Difficult to get anything done against people's will. Panda, I despair of people in general. I can often go for days without witnessing an unselfish act.

    When I was studying nearly 25 years ago I could see the future. It depressed me enormously.

    I honestly can't imagine a political answer.

    I remember being fascinated to learn about cultures who were interdependent on nature. Not just economically, but spiritually.

    What happened to that ideal? For me , science destroyed any hope of some divine intervention. It's now left to us as people.

    The most disturbing aspect: I am capable of being as selfish as everyone else, knowing, consciously, that I am being selfish. I can even say it out loud.

    we, as people , are as selfish as a bacterium, a flower, a mushroom, an ant, a bird, cat, dog, gorilla.......

    I remember being asked if I thought that there was a solution. I said I didn't believe there was.

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    What a load of crock. Sockeye is low but there are plenty of pink, coho and other fish out there, and grizzlies are adept at getting food from other natural sources.
    The reason the bears are hungry and trashing garbage cans in urban areas is because the chinks are razing natural habitats on the mountainsides for housing developments. We have a mama black bear and her two cubs prowling our neighbourhood for garbage, fruit and whatever berries are left coz they need extra bulk for winter hibernation. Why? Read above.
    Fek off, musty. You put up sh*t you know nothing about. "Oh, but it was in the newspaper and the libbie tree-huggers says it is so." Tell ya what, musty, lets kill the immigrants who are taking the bears' natural habitat away. Whaddya say?

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    Steady on JG. Where have the bears gone? To the city. And what happens to them? they are shot or transported to........

    And why are people allowed to encroach on the wilderness?

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    I said " This Tiger is worth one thousand of you!"

    How wrong I was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    What a load of crock. Sockeye is low but there are plenty of pink, coho and other fish out there, and grizzlies are adept at getting food from other natural sources.
    The reason the bears are hungry and trashing garbage cans in urban areas is because the chinks are razing natural habitats on the mountainsides for housing developments. We have a mama black bear and her two cubs prowling our neighbourhood for garbage, fruit and whatever berries are left coz they need extra bulk for winter hibernation. Why? Read above.
    Fek off, musty. You put up sh*t you know nothing about. "Oh, but it was in the newspaper and the libbie tree-huggers says it is so." Tell ya what, musty, lets kill the immigrants who are taking the bears' natural habitat away. Whaddya say?

    I say " this post proves JetGorgon is BlackGang," what a relief, there is only one of them. whewww

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    ^ Oops, no answer, huh, mustymound? Typical of you. Spout crap you read from lefties on the Net. When are you going to grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeden View Post
    over fishing greedy people
    Mindless consuption is the bottom line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Terrible news, wonder how much the price of tinned salmon will reach
    Don't panic DD. Tinned salmon comes primarily from farmed salmon. Expect to see some grisly bears shopping at the local super though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Terrible news, wonder how much the price of tinned salmon will reach
    Don't panic DD. Tinned salmon comes primarily from farmed salmon. Expect to see some grisly bears shopping at the local super though.

    BlackGang/JetGorgon
    Sometimes I access TD and since I'm not signed in I see your absolutely ridiculous, utter troll posts as the ignore feature isn't on.

    But I'sa signed in now. .

    Yeah, farmed salmon living in its own shite, it has to pumped with antibiotics which then bleed off into the water systems.
    People who buy that crap and other factory-poison products.. still eating meat, are harming us all with their selfish dietary habits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MustavaMond View Post
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    People...still eating meat, are harming us all with their selfish dietary habits.
    You give me hours of free entertainment, musty. So, we are selfish coz we eat meat?
    Or is that coz you can't afford a good steak? C'mon, I'll get my Alberta rancher pals to slaughter a triple A grade cow for ya. Caesar salad, garlic toast, baked spud loaded with butter, sour cream, chives and pig bits, and a sizzling tenderloin steak. Rare, of course. Free for you musty, coz you need some protein to get your brain going, baby.

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    Steady with the chives please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MustavaMond
    with Silvertip Ecotours, in Terrace, said the Department of Fisheries and Oceans should not allow salmon to be commercially harvested in areas where stocks are in trouble. “This should be a huge red flag for DFO … but they continue to manage British Columbia's salmon fishery in a total state of denial,” he said. “Even as we speak, they are still considering more [salmon fishing] openings when not enough fish have returned to the rivers
    Well Mustyclit, Run up 100 Miles offshore from Mexico to Canada in the fall some time and what do you see,,Russian and Jap Trawlers and long liners along with gill nets on the high seas, scooping up the salmon before they ever have a shot at fresh water or Salmon trolling boats that are only allowed to use hook and line at sea.


    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    Sad that government departments charged with protecting such fisheries are the root cause of over exploitation, negligence and gross environmental vandalism. Same thing is happening the world over. One would at least expect more in developed countries, but it seems that greed outweighs common sense.
    Read what is said to Musty, it also goes for you Pandy, talking shit you have never seen or done, I have fished salmon off and on since back in the early 40s when my stepdad could not hire fishermen because they were fighting a war and I went and helped on the boat out of Humboldt bay at Eureka Calif. and I also owned 2 charter salmon fishing boats out of Ilwaco Washington state, so I do know what I am talking about and it is illegal foreign fishermen that are doing most of the damage to American fish stocks, Undersize web and illegal practices, but nothing ever done about it.


    Quote Originally Posted by MustavaMond
    Yeah, farmed salmon living in its own shite, it has to pumped with antibiotics which then bleed off into the water systems. People who buy that crap and other factory-poison products.. still eating meat, are harming us all with their selfish dietary habits
    But a lot of farm pens are hundreds of miles off shore and in miles deep water so most of what you posted is bullshit,

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    ^You'll never hear from her agin, BG. She just spouts copies of the libbie news.
    We're having thick salmon steaks for din tonight from a 20 pounder my friends caught off Port Alberni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    The reason the bears are hungry and trashing garbage cans in urban areas is because the chinks are razing natural habitats on the mountainsides for housing developments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    lets kill the immigrants who are taking the bears' natural habitat away.
    I seem to recall very few "chinks" and "immigrants" in North Vancouver when I lived there. In fact it was mostly white folks. "Chinks" and "immigrants" were more likely to be found in the sea flats of Richmond and Surrey.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    libbie
    *Yawn*

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    ^ I was talking about Coquitlam Westwood Plateau and Burnaby Mountain areas, never mind the many developments in the Okanagan.
    There are many Asians in North and West Van now, unlike when I lived there years ago. Better go take a look. Asians outnumber whiteys by a big margin in the GVRD now.

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    It's the fault of the Canadian government for granting (selling) residence visas to Chinese when the UK lease ran out on HK in 1997 and reverted back to the PRC... Vancouver grew so rapidly that the infrastructure couldn't keep up... The number of ethnic Chinese in BC doubled in 5 years...

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    VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- Raymond Chan, waging a hot race to win back his seat in Parliament, called a news conference here recently and invited only the four newspapers, three radio stations and two television stations that operate in Chinese. The English-language news media were left to scurry after one of the best political stories in town -- a former Cabinet minister, an immigrant from Hong Kong, in a race for the Liberal Party nomination for the national House of Commons against a non-Chinese competitor.

    At the news conference, the Chinese-language reporters bowed politely after each challenging question. Did Chan really support same-sex marriage, as supporters of his competitor had told socially conservative readers of the Chinese media? Did he really favor legislation to oblige immigrants to report offshore assets to the tax authorities?

    "It has been difficult, but I have friends, lots of friends," Chan said in Mandarin, smiling into the cameras of Fairchild television and Channel M, two Chinese stations. Then, easily switching to Cantonese, he denied his opponents' assertions.

    Leaving the mainstream media out of the political dialogue is not unusual anymore in a city whose Chinese population has exploded from a tiny minority to 30 percent of all residents in just one generation. By making his pitch directly to the 40 percent of his district's voters who are ethnic Chinese, Chan was giving a nod to Vancouver's parallel worlds.

    The Chinese population in Canada has doubled in the past two decades to 1.1 million, or more than 3 percent of all residents. But nowhere is its presence felt more than in this metropolitan area of 1.8 million, of which 342,665, or 19 percent, are ethnic Chinese, according to the 2001 census.

    The rise in the ethnic Chinese population has stimulated meteoric growth in the Chinese media and made them an influential player on the Canadian political landscape. Their influence is even beginning to be felt back in Asia, particularly after their aggressive reporting on the SARS epidemic, which reached into Canada last year.

    Just as there are shiny new malls here that operate entirely in Cantonese and Mandarin, there is a commerce of ideas, news and entertainment in the local media that is beyond the comprehension of a shrinking majority.

    "The Vancouver Sun doesn't cover what we cover," noted Jane Zhang, the 40-year-old president of Global Chinese Press, a newspaper that began publishing twice weekly in 2000 and already has a reported circulation of 60,000. "Immigrants need to survive first, and that's what we keep in mind," she said.

    The paper is full of useful tidbits for the new mainland Chinese population -- how to write a résumé, for instance, start a business or join a political party -- and cultural items such as a recent article explaining why Canadians observe St. Patrick's Day.

    Much emphasis is given to counseling parents on what they may expect from their teenage children growing up in a society with far looser mores than back home.

    A Chinese radio station, CHMB AM 1320, which began in 1973 with one hour of leased broadcast time a day, is now ranked third in advertising revenue among all radio stations in Vancouver. Ming Pao, the largest circulation Chinese daily, reported an increase in circulation to 115,000 in 2000 from 83,000 in 1995, and its numbers keep growing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    There are many Asians in North and West Van now, unlike when I lived there years ago. Better go take a look.
    Was there last year.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Asians outnumber whiteys by a big margin in the GVRD now.
    Are you saying skin color has something to do with bears starving?

    There is a lot of them there but outnumbering whitey is not a fact. Got a link?

    And what does that have to do with starving bears and low salmon stocks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
    It's the fault of the Canadian government for granting (selling) residence visas to Chinese when the UK lease ran out on HK in 1997 and reverted back to the PRC... Vancouver grew so rapidly that the infrastructure couldn't keep up... The number of ethnic Chinese in BC doubled in 5 years...
    That is true. But it's got nothing to do with starving grizzlies and low salmon stocks.
    Also, it was very rare to find a grizzly near Vancouvers city limits before that happened, when whitey dominated the population. They are mostly found in unpopulated areas.

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