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    EU bans old-fashioned light bulbs

    EU bans old-fashioned light bulbs





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    A European Union ban on the manufacture and import of 100-watt and frosted incandescent light bulbs, in use since the 19th century, has come into force.

    They are being phased out to encourage the switch to more energy-efficient fluorescent or halogen lamps, which use up to 80% less electricity.

    Critics say the new bulbs are gloomy, and can trigger headaches and rashes in people with light sensitive disorders.

    The ban is one of a series of measures in the EU to tackle climate change.

    The less powerful clear bulbs will be progressively banned until all traditional bulbs disappear from shops across Europe in 2012.

    The new rules follow an agreement reached by the 27 EU governments last year.

    Some consumers have been stockpiling the old-style versions over concerns about the higher cost of the long-life bulbs, or for medical and sentimental reasons.

    Several nations including Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada and the Philippines have also announced plans to phase out traditional bulbs.


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    They should be outlawed everywhere if there really is a shortage of energy or global warming. They're obsolete and inefficient.

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    Is that why there is a rush to hoard them? read in the newspaper somebody bought a fifteen years supply to stash away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    They should be outlawed everywhere if there really is a shortage of energy or global warming. They're obsolete and inefficient.
    Many would say that this new law has been `dropped` on people rather too quickly leaving confusion and anger amongst certain classes especially the elderly and people with sight deficiency as this new generation of bulb does not give the brightness that one can expect from the old traditional bulbs.

    It is said that some of these new light bulbs take quite a while to reach their maximum light thus negating any saving in energy or emissions when the light is only needed for a few seconds or so, and only certain ones can be used when a dimmer switch is in operation.

    Then there is the argument that there does not as yet seem to be alternatives to the tungsten ones such as those used in ovens and manufacturing.

    It is also said that these bulbs last longer than traditional light bulbs. I have used the new bulbs and I have found that this is not the case. Some infact last less than the old type.

    The new bulbs cost much more than the old bulbs and extra care apparently has to be taken when disposing of them as it is said that nasty emissions can be given off when they are broken.

    Add to the above the fact that there are eminent scientists who feel that the hype about global warming has been very much overdone as there have always been changes in the Earth`s temperature long before man came onto the scene and produced the so called greenhouse gasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgit View Post
    Is that why there is a rush to hoard them? read in the newspaper somebody bought a fifteen years supply to stash away.
    It's cause the new ones have government implanted spy cameras in them!

    You heard it here first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bretby
    It is also said that these bulbs last longer than traditional light bulbs. I have used the new bulbs and I have found that this is not the case. Some infact last less than the old type.
    In Thailand and I assume other 3rd world countries they last at least 10 times longer, but this is due to the voltage fluctuations on 3rd world electric supplies, the new style absorb the fluctuations, the old style bulbs just blew.

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    I have bought a 10 year supply from HomePro and Tesco

    staff thought I was mental

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    The old ones supply a much more comforting type of light. I hate these new super bright halogen type bulbs. How they can say that the old style ones cause health problems is beyond me. Seems like the usual shit from the retards in the Eurozone (obviously French).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    The old ones supply a much more comforting type of light. I hate these new super bright halogen type bulbs.
    They do mention halogen but what people in general use for replacement is the compact flueroscent (sp?) lamp. You can buy them in colour tone warm white which is not a sore for the eye.



    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    How they can say that the old style ones cause health problems is beyond me.
    I'm reading, and reading again but can't see them saying that the old ones causes health problems.
    Critics of the new ones claim that those causes health problems..

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    I have both the white and warm tone bulbs in this room, the white is too harsh and the warm too warm, don't particulary like them, but hell, it saves me buying new bulbs every poxy week which is what I used to have to do using ordinary bulbs, even went as far as fitting ordinary flourescents in the hallways due to having 6 floors and at least a couple of bulbs blown all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    I have both the white and warm tone bulbs in this room, the white is too harsh and the warm too warm, don't particulary like them, but hell, it saves me buying new bulbs every poxy week which is what I used to have to do using ordinary bulbs, even went as far as fitting ordinary flourescents in the hallways due to having 6 floors and at least a couple of bulbs blown all the time.

    I haven't had to change the screw-in type fluor bulbs either, 4 years in Thailand but I find the light annoying.
    Something about the frequency of it, is unnatural? Like it's out of phase.

    Can anyone confirm my impression that leaving oft used fluorescent lights on continuously- instead of turning on and off constantly- saves energy and wear ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by MustavaMond View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    I have both the white and warm tone bulbs in this room, the white is too harsh and the warm too warm, don't particulary like them, but hell, it saves me buying new bulbs every poxy week which is what I used to have to do using ordinary bulbs, even went as far as fitting ordinary flourescents in the hallways due to having 6 floors and at least a couple of bulbs blown all the time.

    I haven't had to change the screw-in type fluor bulbs either, 4 years in Thailand but I find the light annoying.
    Something about the frequency of it, is unnatural? Like it's out of phase.

    Can anyone confirm my impression that leaving oft used fluorescent lights on continuously- instead of turning on and off constantly- saves energy and wear ?
    A lot of the 'wear' on a fluorescent bulb occurs in the start up mode.You have to work out the cost of electricity versus the cost of changing the bulb. They say 2000 starts should be available .Work it out yourself-best of luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    I'm reading, and reading again but can't see them saying that the old ones causes health problems.
    Nor can I now, but I'm not half cut at the moment.

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    I was sure i read somewhere about the materials used and manufacturing process for the new lamps are not environmentlly friendly.
    Must have been a dream cos ican't find it anywhere.

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    No doubt someone will invent 99 watt bulbs,and what about the smaller ones----the world will just get warmer ,if climate change is to be tackled we will have to get a lot more serious than this.
    Light is light loads of rubbish talked about the old bulbs--no doubt some felt the same about the old gas lights

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    I was sure i read somewhere about the materials used and manufacturing process for the new lamps are not environmentlly friendly.
    Must have been a dream cos ican't find it anywhere.
    Wikepedia :- Mercury emissions
    Main article: Mercury poisoning


    Coal-Powered Mercury use of compact fluorescent lamp vs. incandescent lamp, if powered by electricity generated completely from coal, though coal accounts for about half of the power production in the United States.This graph does not apply in areas that use hydro, nuclear,solar, wind sources
    CFLs, like all fluorescent lamps, contain small amounts of mercury[41][42] as vapor inside the glass tubing. Most CFLs contain 3 5 mg per bulb, with some brands containing as little as 1 mg.[43][44] Even these small amounts are a concern for landfills and waste incinerators where the mercury from lamps may be released and contribute to air and water pollution. In the U.S., lighting manufacturer members of the National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) have voluntarily capped the amount of mercury used in CFLs.[45] In the EU the same cap is required by the RoHS law.
    In areas with coal-fired power stations, the use of CFLs saves on mercury emissions when compared to the use of incandescent bulbs. This is due to the reduced electrical power demand, reducing in turn the amount of mercury released by coal as it is burned.[46][47].
    In the United States, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimated that if all 270 million compact fluorescent lamps sold in 2007 were sent to landfill sites, that this would represent around 0.13 tons, or 0.1% of all U.S. emissions of mercury (around 104 tons) that year.[48]
    Compact fluorescent lamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen
    U.S. emissions of mercury (around 104 tons) that year
    Thanks Crippen. Not sure if that was the same stuff i had read but 104 tons per year of such such a noxious substance sounds like rather a lot of dead fish for future amricans.
    Then again this is wikipedia?

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    great move, they should have done that a while back.

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    Loophole lights the way for 'specialist' 100-watt bulbs

    Loophole lights the way for 'specialist' 100-watt bulbs
    By DAVID DERBYSHIRE
    Last updated at 11:33 PM on 01st September 2009
    Householders eager to defy the ban on old-fashioned light bulbs will still be able to buy them from specialist retailers under a loophole in the law, it emerged today.
    This week, the EU banned shops from stocking up on traditional 100-watt bulbs and any type of frosted bulb in a bid to slash Britain's greenhouse gas emissions.
    However, the legislation refers only to 'household bulbs' and does not cover the near-identical traditional bulbs intended for 'industrial use'.

    Still glowing brightly: Industrial-use 100-watt bulbs continue to be on sale in specialist shops

    Ugly sister: Sales are improving but many complain about their poor-quality light
    These heavy-duty bulbs look exactly the same as an old-fashioned bulb but are designed to withstand the battering of a building site, mine or factory.
    Although they are not available from supermarkets or high-street DIY chains, they can be bought from specialist shops and internet retailers for about 1 each.
    They are sold as 'rough-service bulbs' and come in screw and bayonet fittings.
    Patrick Hudgell, managing director of internet shop Light bulbs Direct, said he was continuing to stock rough service bulbs.
    'There's no problem with them - they are not covered by the ban,' he said. 'There isn't a great variety of them. They are only available as standard 60- and 100-watt but they are reinforced so if you shake them they don't break. I use them in my garage door where a normal bulb would break each time I opened it.'
    To be exempt from the ban the bulbs must come in a box stating they are not intended for household use.
    From today it became illegal for anyone to import household frosted and 100-watt bulbs into the EU, or for a manufacturer to supply them to a shop. Stocks are expect to run out within a few months.
    Major retailers introduced a voluntary ban on 100-watt bulbs in January.
    The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs says a typical home will save 37 a year on their electricity bill by fitting low-energy fluorescent and halogen bulbs.
    But independent retailers and critics say the change was rushed, badly advertised and that many of the low-energy alternatives are ugly, expensive and produce poor-quality light.
    And doctors have warned that compact fluorescent lights may trigger rashes in light-sensitive patients.
    A spokesman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, confirmed that heavy-duty industrial light bulbs were exempt from the ban.
    'They are for use in cold temperatures and areas such as mines, factories or garages.
    'The legislation cannot prescribe what bulbs can be used for and you will be able to get them from specialist retailers - they are not on sale in Tesco and Asda,' he said.
    'But they are more expensive that ordinary incandescent light and they will not save any money in energy.'
    The Government wants people to replace their conventional bulbs with one of two low-energy alternatives.
    The most economical to run are CFLs (compact fluorescent lights). They cost about 2 to 3 each, use a fifth of the energy of a conventional incandescent bulb and are designed to fit every type of socket. Dimmable CFL bulbs are available but cost about 15.
    Manufacturers have also created a range of low-energy 'halogen' light bulbs that look just like traditional incandescent ones and cost about 2. These work with dimmer switches, have a warmer light but save 30 per cent of energy.
    Europe plans to phase out 60-watt clear lamps from September 2011

    Read more: Loophole lights the way for 'specialist' 100-watt bulbs | Mail Online .

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    Thank god for that now we can all have a good nights sleep

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    Yes, and don't forget to turn off the lamps.

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    Fluorescent bulbs == lower wattage, but containing mercury and several other highly toxic materials that escape quickly when these CFL bulbs are thrown away and break -- while the regular light bulbs is easily recyclable.

    Furthermore, the carbon footprint of manufacturing a CFL is tremendously higher than of the regular lightbulb.

    Typical shortsighted politician thinking CFLs actually hurt the environment far more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bretby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    They should be outlawed everywhere if there really is a shortage of energy or global warming. They're obsolete and inefficient.
    Many would say that this new law has been `dropped` on people rather too quickly leaving confusion and anger amongst certain classes especially the elderly and people with sight deficiency as this new generation of bulb does not give the brightness that one can expect from the old traditional bulbs.

    It is said that some of these new light bulbs take quite a while to reach their maximum light thus negating any saving in energy or emissions when the light is only needed for a few seconds or so, and only certain ones can be used when a dimmer switch is in operation.

    Then there is the argument that there does not as yet seem to be alternatives to the tungsten ones such as those used in ovens and manufacturing.

    It is also said that these bulbs last longer than traditional light bulbs. I have used the new bulbs and I have found that this is not the case. Some infact last less than the old type.

    The new bulbs cost much more than the old bulbs and extra care apparently has to be taken when disposing of them as it is said that nasty emissions can be given off when they are broken.

    Add to the above the fact that there are eminent scientists who feel that the hype about global warming has been very much overdone as there have always been changes in the Earth`s temperature long before man came onto the scene and produced the so called greenhouse gasses.

    bretby.
    'It is said' is talking bollocks. They start up just as quickly as incandescent lamps. They emit just as much light for a far lower consumption of energy. They are available in different colour temperatures to generate different 'warmths' of light. My local supermarket has them on offer at 5 for 50 pence. As usual Chicken Little is writing the headlines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    Fluorescent bulbs == lower wattage, but containing mercury and several other highly toxic materials that escape quickly when these CFL bulbs are thrown away and break -- while the regular light bulbs is easily recyclable.

    Furthermore, the carbon footprint of manufacturing a CFL is tremendously higher than of the regular lightbulb.

    Typical shortsighted politician thinking CFLs actually hurt the environment far more.
    Do you have any links for this. It is pretty much what i said earlier, but i could not find any links to support it?

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