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    Tourists warned over fake goods

    Holidaymakers could be fined thousands of pounds - or even jailed - for buying fake designer goods when abroad, copyright lawyers are warning.

    Authorities in France and Italy are not just targeting those who produce and sell fakes but also those who buy them.
    In France, the maximum fine is 300,000 euro (£260,000) or three years in jail.
    The UK government has decided against criminalising consumers. Instead it has launched an information campaign aimed at people using markets and boot sales.
    Seizures of counterfeit goods on the continent more than doubled in 2008, with customs authorities seizing 178 million fake items - mostly imported from China.
    The European Commission is concerned about the growing involvement of organised international criminal gangs.
    It says: "Without doubt, one of the principal methods of dispersing counterfeits is the 'ant-like' traffic of tourists returning home from holiday, bringing back souvenirs."
    This has prompted some member states to take a harder line.
    Intellectual property lawyer Simon Tracey said anyone tempted to bring back items such as fake designer sunglasses, a football top or handbag from their holidays should beware.
    He said lots of people have already been fined thousands of Euros for owning a fake, and France seemed "a little bit harsher" than Italy.

    Dangerous fakes
    But he said it was hard to persuade people that owning a fake was "a bad thing".
    "The problem is, it is an intellectual theft, so therefore it's much harder to explain to people that it is wrong, but in reality - as a matter of social responsibility - it is just as bad as stealing.
    "We all tend to debate the fake bag, we tend not to think about the products that can cause serious harm or kill like fake pharmaceuticals," he added.

    John Tuchier, from the Trading Standards Institute, said holidaymakers can easily be caught out by things that "look like a bargain", and shoppers should consider the "safety and quality of a product".
    "Some of these counterfeit goods are so good that you might not be aware that the product is counterfeit until an expert actually looks at it and brings it to your attention," he said.
    The UK government says legitimate businesses lose an estimated £10bn a year to counterfeiters, with £9bn ending up the hands of gangs.
    It also warns that fake alcohol can cause blindness or death, copied toiletries can be harmful and that counterfeit toys or medicines will not have passed safety tests.
    Susie Winter, director general of the Alliance Against Intellectual Property Theft - a grouping of creative industry associations, said the UK's counterfeit trade centred around markets.
    "We would urge people to think about where their money is going," she said.
    "These are not cheeky chappies making an honest living on a Sunday morning, these are hardened criminals."
    Many organised criminal gangs exploit child labour, she added.

    My 2 cents:
    This is just governmentís way of getting in on the action. Fine returning tourists bringing counterfeit souvenirs even though they are not qualified to determine the authenticity of any product they purchase. Instead they should confiscate the product, refund the purchase price of the item, and every year send the tallied bill and the products to the various countries of origin. If they donít pay, raise their tariffs; adjust their trade status; encourage a boycott; sue them in the World Court. Thatís what itís for. To think that they would hold a citizen tourist responsible for the ills of the world is reprehensible. Itís comparable to doctors who attack symptoms while ignoring the cause.
    Eat more Cheezy Poofs!

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    There is something about being threatened by this greedy filthy corporate scum that makes them far more repulsive than those who sell or produce the so called counterfeit goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    Intellectual Property
    can't we just call it government sanctioned monopoly ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    The UK government says legitimate businesses lose an estimated £10bn a year to counterfeiters, with £9bn ending up the hands of gangs.
    so the UK govt is aiding and abetting international gang finance with their laws ?

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    How are they going to tell one from the other? Some of the copies are very good these days.

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    For a criminal conviction they would need to prove criminal intent, that is that the buyer knew that it was a forgery when he bought it. Unless they confessed that would be vertually impossible to do. I would just say that I bought it at MBK in good faith. They could not prove otherwise.

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    You may also add that the product was a gift and .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapilvastu
    For a criminal conviction they would need to prove criminal intent, that is that the buyer knew that it was a forgery when he bought it. Unless they confessed that would be vertually impossible to do. I would just say that I bought it at MBK in good faith. They could not prove otherwise.
    unfortunately it doesn't work that way, Customs officials in France will put you in jail before you would get to that,

    I know of a case where they destroy the goods in front of the tourist at Customs, and those goods turn out not to be fake, fucking officials were too stupid to tell the difference

    that's how bad it is now here,

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    moral of the story.

    dont go back home.

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    From what I understand it seems that if someone is spotted by the French customs carrying for example a fake LV bag then they are fined twice the amount which a real LV bag would cost. So if a real LV bag costs 2000 euros then the fine would be 4,000 euros.

    Imagine the fine on a fake Rolex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bretby View Post
    From what I understand it seems that if someone is spotted by the French customs carrying for example a fake LV bag then they are fined twice the amount which a real LV bag would cost. So if a real LV bag costs 2000 euros then the fine would be 4,000 euros.

    Imagine the fine on a fake Rolex.
    Maybe more to all stories ?

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    Hasn't the law been like this for a long time? Ten years at least.

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    Starting to learn that it's all one umbrella racket. Corporations and government.

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    It's not a racket at all. It's called property rights. If you don't know what that is, and it's importance, I suggest an Economics course or two.

    My problem is with the enforcement. Are they going to have experts waiting at the airport? Some of the fake goods are very close to the real thing. I used to laugh at the football jerseys but some of them are so good now I can't tell the difference. The LV bags can be distinguished but only if you know what to look for.

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    oh well they will move on to e b -ay and join all the other pirates

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    A little off subject, but I see you've quoted Bill Hicks. Like many comedians his brilliance received less appreciation than it deserved. I loved his work along with other geniuses like Sam Kinnison, George Carlin and Richard Pryor. May they rest in peace.

    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    "Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To hear what it's all about, perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once? 'Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration — that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.'" --Bill Hicks

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut View Post
    This is just governmentís way of getting in on the action. Fine returning tourists bringing counterfeit souvenirs even though they are not qualified to determine the authenticity of any product they purchase. Instead they should confiscate the product, refund the purchase price of the item, and every year send the tallied bill and the products to the various countries of origin.
    Pretty dumb suggestion -- why refund the purchase price? Once you start doing that, you are opening the door to abuse (of tourists buying counterfeits dirt cheap, and then inflating the refund prices, for example); plus, your suggestion indemnifies the tourists from any guilt by minimizing their damage -- people that buy counterfeits know fully well they are buying fake goods. I'm in favor of confiscating them - without refund - as next time these purchaser will think twice.

    Sending a bill for confiscated goods to the 'various countries of origin'? pray tell, how will you determine the country of origin? My fake Lacoste shirts claim 'made in france', for example. How will you determine if the items are made in China, in Malayasia, in Thailand, or in an offshore floating factory? How will you collect on the bills you send out from either various governments (who will claim non complicity) or from criminal organizations, or fly by night organizations?

    Very naive suggestion.

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    I came here expecting what I had read about and saw in brochures over the many dank and dismal years working in the UK...To my surprise I found that Thailand was fake!!!!

    However you can't take a country back home with you so...I guess it's alright then?!!!

    This place is like Turkey and many other countries around the world...I would also like to mention that you are also unable to purchase many original products here..for example Xbox (original or 360) Playstation 3....and the games and controllers that go with them...and this is just the tip of the iceberg..

    My Stu's have even got fake i-phones!!!! they look OK but that's about it..the sub-screens are nothing like the real thing.

    Reasons 1: Thai's generally can't afford to pay the huge prices for the items.
    2: don't want to pay the huge prices.

    Why pay 30-50 pounds for an Xbox game when you can pay 60-150bht???!!! I do happen to agree with that mentality (especially when that's your monthly income gone on 1 game!!)
    Also I think Bill Gates can afford it, don't you???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole View Post
    I came here expecting what I had read about and saw in brochures over the many dank and dismal years working in the UK...To my surprise I found that Thailand was fake!!!!

    However you can't take a country back home with you so...I guess it's alright then?!!!

    This place is like Turkey and many other countries around the world...I would also like to mention that you are also unable to purchase many original products here..for example Xbox (original or 360) Playstation 3....and the games and controllers that go with them...and this is just the tip of the iceberg..

    My Stu's have even got fake i-phones!!!! they look OK but that's about it..the sub-screens are nothing like the real thing.

    Reasons 1: Thai's generally can't afford to pay the huge prices for the items.
    2: don't want to pay the huge prices.

    Why pay 30-50 pounds for an Xbox game when you can pay 60-150bht???!!! I do happen to agree with that mentality (especially when that's your monthly income gone on 1 game!!)
    Also I think Bill Gates can afford it, don't you???
    Why put the hammer on Bill Gates ?

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    ^ Because he's rich, and R Sole is not..?

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    ^ zackly.

    Molly-coddled nanny-children think they have a "right" to everything rich people have achieved. They cheer bank robbers and jewel thieves -- and guys who blow up airplanes over Scotland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    and guys who blow up airplanes over Scotland.
    I maybe skint...now. However I have never cheered airplane bombers!!!!! flying 2 aeroplanes in to to large towers with pin point accuracy..now that takes skill..

    right back at you, I can live up to my name if you wish it to be so??? Texy boy???

    However I did shed a tear or 3 for the peeps inside.

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