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    The Scales of Justice

    Muslim man sentenced to life in jail after killing his German-born wife because she was 'too independent'
    By ALLAN HALL
    Last updated at 11:18 PM on 20th August 2009


    The scales of justice: A Muslim man has been sentenced to life for killing his 'independent' wife
    A Muslim asylum seeker has been sentenced to life in prison after killing his German-born wife because she was 'too independent', a court in Germany heard today.
    The 27-year-old Kurdish man, identified only as Onder B, was found guilty today of stabbing his wife in the eyes, beating her with a billiard cue and then running over her in his car.
    His mother-in-law had once told him to be 'strict' with her strong-willed daughter, Mujde - who was also Onder's cousin.
    On New Year's Eve 2008 he stabbed his 18-year-old wife Mujde 46 times and beat her with a billiard cue.
    And because she was 'already so disfigured from the stabbing and beating that she would hate me for the rest of her life,' he got into his car and ran over her body several times.
    Bielefeld District Court judge Jutta Albert convicted him on a charge of murder arising from base motives, and one of cruelty, because the defend ant stabbed his wife in both eyeballs while she was still alive.
    He stabbed her so hard in the head with a fruit knife that the blade broke off in her skull.
    The case has pulled into sharp focus the cultural differences between Western values and the estimated three million Muslim immigrants living and working in Germany.
    Bielefeld District Court judge Jutta Albert clashed repeatedly this week with family members of both victim and defendant as details of the horrific case unfolded.
    'One more remark from you and you'll be removed!' she told the victimís mother. 'Do you think you can behave here as if you were in a Turkish bazaar?'
    The killer arrived in Germany as an asylum seeker, in 2001. He was 19 and Mujde was 11 at the time.
    He married a Turkish woman 10 years his senior, but the couple soon separated.
    He returned home to Turkey in 2003, where he performed his mandatory military service, coming back Germany in 2006.
    Under a deal between their families a marriage was 'arranged' between him and Mujde, in which he then viewed her, according to prosecutors, 'as his property'.
    He returned to Turkey and left her in Germany after marrying in 2007.
    The court was told their relationship degenerated into threats and abuse carried out over the Internet with Mujde at one stage reporting him to the police.
    The court heard how he was upset 'that she behaved the way she did and didn`t do what he told her'.
    'She was too independent and she had to die for it,' said the prosecutor.
    He returned to Germany at the end of 2008, killing her on New Year`s Eve because, he claimed, she had turned up the car stereo when he tried to speak to her.
    She had also given him an incorrect PIN three times when he tried to check the calls on her mobile phone, and she had refused to answer him when he asked whether she had been unfaithful

    Read more: Muslim asylum seeker sentenced to life in jail after killing his wife because she was 'too independent' | Mail Online

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    I have two ex wives, both of whom are quite independent, especially since the divorce. I bet they are glad they divorced such a reasonable chap.
    I find it best not to argue with such people if you value your crockery.

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    Really now. Who are we westerners to decide what's proper and what's not for this fine young Muslim man?

    Who are we, the west, to deny him of his religious freedom and oppress him in unfair, Christian-principled mores?

    Shouldn't he be allowed to express himself? To stab his wife/cousin in the eyes when he feels the need? To run her over with his car -- because that's the way he was brought up. Shouldn't we welcome his rich, diverse cultural background and fold him into our society?

    What in God's name was this arrogant German woman thinking when she turned up the stereo when he was talking with her? Onder B is the victim of an outrageous miscarriage of justice. He should be highly compensated and perhaps promoted to mayor of the town to indicate how open and welcoming we in the west are to our Muslim neighbors.

    Power to Onder B and cultural diversity across Europe!

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    Again what becomes apparent after reading this is the endemic indoctrination that females in the Muslim world should be treated as extremely inferior beings by the Muslim men.

    Add the above to her involvement with a violent man of probably low intelligence then the poor young woman stood no chance of being an individual in her own right or even surviving for long.

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    Just a touch OTT with the sarcasm Tex.

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    The guy was obviously a sadist. Maybe his background and religon played a part but his need for control was probably the primary factor. Crimes against women over control happen in all cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Just a touch OTT with the sarcasm Tex.
    Well they do say it's the lowest form of wit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Really now. Who are we westerners to decide what's proper and what's not for this fine young Muslim man?

    Who are we, the west, to deny him of his religious freedom and oppress him in unfair, Christian-principled mores?

    Shouldn't he be allowed to express himself? To stab his wife/cousin in the eyes when he feels the need? To run her over with his car -- because that's the way he was brought up. Shouldn't we welcome his rich, diverse cultural background and fold him into our society?

    What in God's name was this arrogant German woman thinking when she turned up the stereo when he was talking with her? Onder B is the victim of an outrageous miscarriage of justice. He should be highly compensated and perhaps promoted to mayor of the town to indicate how open and welcoming we in the west are to our Muslim neighbors.

    Power to Onder B and cultural diversity across Europe!
    And Western civilisations still remain backward and disconnected.....

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    Horrific story. Sadistic is too nice a word. A total psychopath....and he should be treated as one. Personally I'd like him permanently removed from the gene pool. A total c*nt.

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    Hope I don't get re born as a Muslim wife, dogs get better treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
    Hope I don't get re born as a Muslim wife, dogs get better treatment.
    Yes, as we all know every Muslim man beats his wife. Probably don't love their kids either.

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    ^ Keep saying that Ant. And then attribute it to opponents later. You're nothing if not predictable.

    We all realize who is rebuilding the same strawmen time after time. All Muzzies are bad. Then hysterically pointing at your opponents, as if we're the ones saying it.

    Panama Hat's good for this one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
    Hope I don't get re born as a Muslim wife, dogs get better treatment.
    Yes, as we all know every Muslim man beats his wife. Probably don't love their kids either.
    No, your wrong most love their kids. Except for the ones who sell them to the Taliban as suicide bombers.

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    To some (don't miss it Ant, it's KEY) it's the highest honor.

    Having your kid or wife or yourself become a martyr.

    OBL himself said, "We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two."

    He certainly doesn't speak for all Muzzies, but enough to continue making mincemeat out of mostly fellow peace-loving Muslims all over the ME, SW Asia, and recently Africa -- for several centuries.

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    Move along folks. Nothing new here. Just the normal excusing the actions of a poor Mussie who was acting within the normal boundaries of his culture. He should be released from prison and inducted into the free welfare system of his new homeland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakeopete View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
    Hope I don't get re born as a Muslim wife, dogs get better treatment.
    Yes, as we all know every Muslim man beats his wife. Probably don't love their kids either.
    No, your wrong most love their kids. Except for the ones who sell them to the Taliban as suicide bombers.
    yeah much like this woman who agreed to marry her own daughter off to the daughters own cousin and then encourages him to treat her "strictly" and then defends him in court after he kills her in such a brutal and inhumane way...yep plenty of love there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    maybe you were looking for this one Tex..


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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown View Post
    Move along folks. Nothing new here. Just the normal excusing the actions of a poor Mussie who was acting within the normal boundaries of his culture.
    Chi, the only person who made any excuses for this guy was Texpat, and I suspect he was being sarcastic

    Do you get a different version of TD to everybody else?

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    'Do you think you can behave here as if you were in a Turkish bazaar?'
    sadly they do.

    The killer arrived in Germany as an asylum seeker, in 2001. .......................................
    He returned home to Turkey in 2003, where he performed his mandatory military service, coming back Germany in 2006.
    just who the fuck are these people....claiming asylum, returning to serve in the army of the country he fled from and then coming to germany again.

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    Me? Socratic? Thank you kind sir.

    just who the fuck are these people....claiming asylum, returning to serve in the army of the country he fled from and then coming to germany again?
    Good question -- Check out Rham Emanuel -- Barry Obama's right hand man.

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    The guy is an animal/murderer and ought to "put-down" --- Maimed the way he maimed that woman not allowed to die and dropped off in a downtown turkish market. Hope he gets screwed over alot in prison general population. Then again he may actually enjoy that being a good muslim.

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    'One more remark from you and you'll be removed!' she told the victimís mother. 'Do you think you can behave here as if you were in a Turkish bazaar?'
    Classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
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    Hope I don't get re born as a Muslim wife, dogs get better treatment.
    Yes, as we all know every Muslim man beats his wife. Probably don't love their kids either.
    Anit it legal to beat your mrs if you are a Muslim in most Muslim countries?, the mullahs even have rules for how thick the stick should be. In the news this week is the new afghan law which legalizes rape within marriage and the starving of women who do not give in the the husbands sexual demands, and this is not the taliban doing this either. Of course pointing this out probably makes a person a racist or an isamaphobe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bretby View Post
    Again what becomes apparent after reading this is the endemic indoctrination that females in the Muslim world should be treated as extremely inferior beings by the Muslim men.

    Add the above to her involvement with a violent man of probably low intelligence then the poor young woman stood no chance of being an individual in her own right or even surviving for long.
    Whereas in the west, women are only moderately inferior, merely suffering diminished chances, accepting nominal abuse, sexual belittlement.

    Maybe that's the real reason for the world's acceptance of Taleban style misogyny , it allows the rest in the west to continue the systemic sexualization of women.

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